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 Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: US claims "Evidence" on Iran's nuke plans |
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The following sounds to me like the same BS that Powell presented to the UN just a few years ago.
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Strong leads, dead ends in nuclear case on Iran
Drawings show deep underground shaft for possible atomic test
By By Dafna Linzer
The Washington Post
Iranian engineers have completed sophisticated drawings of a deep subterranean shaft, according to officials who have examined classified documents in the hands of U.S. intelligence for more than 20 months.
Complete with remote-controlled sensors to measure pressure and heat, the plans for the 400-meter tunnel appear designed for an underground atomic test that might one day announce Tehran's arrival as a nuclear power, the officials said.
By the estimates of U.S. and allied intelligence analysts, that day remains as much as a decade away -- assuming that Iran applies the full measure of its scientific and industrial resources to the project and encounters no major technical hurdles. But whether Iran's leaders have reached that decision and what concrete progress the effort has made remain divisive questions among government analysts and U.N. inspectors.
In the three years since Iran was forced to acknowledge having a secret uranium-enrichment program, Western governments and the United Nations' nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, have amassed substantial evidence to test the Tehran government's assertion that it plans to build nothing more than peaceful nuclear power plants. Often circumstantial, usually ambiguous and always incomplete, the evidence has confounded efforts by policymakers, intelligence officials and U.S. allies to reach a confident judgment about Iran's intentions and a diplomatic solution to the crisis.
Drawings of the unbuilt test site, not disclosed publicly before, appear to U.S. officials to signal at least the ambition to test a nuclear explosive. But U.S. and U.N. experts who have studied them said the undated drawings do not clearly fit into a larger picture. Nowhere, for example, does the word "nuclear" appear on them. The authorship is unknown, and there is no evidence of an associated program to acquire, assemble and construct the components of such a site.
"The diagram is consistent with a nuclear test-site schematic," one senior U.S. source said, noting that the drawings envision a test control team parked a safe 10 kilometers -- more than six miles -- from the shaft. As far as U.S. intelligence knows, the idea has not left the drawing board.
Data on stolen laptop
Other suggestive evidence is cloaked in similar uncertainty. Contained in a laptop computer stolen by an Iranian citizen in 2004 are designs by a firm called Kimeya Madon for a small-scale facility to produce uranium gas, the construction of which would give Iran a secret stock that could be enriched for fuel or for bombs. Also on the laptop -- obtained by U.S. intelligence -- were drawings on modifying Iran's ballistic missiles in ways that might accommodate a nuclear warhead. Beyond the computer files, an imprisoned Pakistani arms dealer recently offered uncorroborated statements that Iran received several advanced centrifuges, equipment that would vastly improve its nuclear knowledge.
U.S. intelligence considers the laptop documents authentic but cannot prove it. Analysts cannot completely rule out the possibility that internal opponents of the Iranian leadership could have forged them to implicate the government, or that the documents were planted by Tehran itself to convince the West that its program remains at an immature stage.
CIA analysts, some of whom had been involved only a year earlier on the flawed assessments of Iraq's weapons programs, initially speculated that a third country, such as Israel, may have fabricated the evidence. But they eventually discounted that theory.
British intelligence, asked for a second opinion, concurred last year that the documents appear authentic. German and French officials consider the information troubling, sources said, but Russian experts have dismissed it as inconclusive. IAEA inspectors, who were highly skeptical of U.S. intelligence on Iraq, have begun to pursue aspects of the laptop information that appear to bolster previous leads.
"There is always a chance this could be the biggest scam perpetrated on U.S. intelligence," one U.S. source acknowledged. "But it's such a large body of documents and such strong indications of nuclear weapons intent, and nothing seems so inconsistent."
'Hard target'
Bush administration officials, convinced that Iran has a weapons program, believe that the body of documentation is the nearest anyone can expect to "smoking gun" evidence. But even in the U.S. government, the predominant interpretation is more complex. And any step toward uranium enrichment, experts said, is consistent with three competing explanations -- that Iran's program is peaceful, that it aims for a weapon, or that the Tehran government is still keeping its options open.
A presidential commission found in 2004 that U.S. intelligence knows "disturbingly little" about Tehran's capabilities. And at a congressional hearing last Thursday, Director of National Intelligence John D. Negroponte described Iran as a "hard target" to penetrate.
While it is unknown whether Iran would ultimately decide to build a nuclear bomb, it is clear from evidence gathered by U.S. and foreign intelligence and through U.N. inspections that Iran, mostly through its energy program, is acquiring and mastering technologies that could be diverted to bombmaking. |
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Would this be the same "claims" that Iraq had WMD? Horse pucky.
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At least they had enough sense to make up something new, instead of saying Nigerian yellowcake and aluminum tubes.
bwahahahahahahahahaha
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: SOS Different day |
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THE OIL WAR OF 1872
The transaction by which Standard Oil acquired this power was so stealthy that not even the best-informed newspaper men of Cleveland knew what went on. It had all been accomplished in accordance with one of Mr. Rockefeller's chief business principles -- "Silence is golden."
Americans Funding Fascist'
Psychosis, Hype And Baloney
Rice a chevroni is presently barking about Iran and Syria sanctioning the riots over the Denmark cartoon. Iraqs a fiasco why invade more, just to score more crude for more conditankers for more sulfur emissions. Remember the secret oil meetings Cheney had, that Congress couldn't find out about. Cheney, the CEO of Haliburton, no bid contracts coincidence. Now gutting responsibility for their asbestos poisoning. Rummy sealing the deal with Sadamn. How did we know he had WMD's? We gave them to him. Same CEO Rummy that fastracked Aspartame carsenigens on kids. Whats with fascists and artifical sweetners?
Chevron named oil tanker the "Condoleezza Rice"
Bushladen and the Terrorists Carlyles Groups
STATE OF THE UNION: CORRUPT
$43 mil to the Taliban for their heroin. In May of 2001? I think the money would be better spent giving it to the junkies. At least they wouldn't fly jets into buildings (that ignited the explosives to bring down the houses the WTO built). Not that the demonkrats do any better. Plan Rand Beers scamming for Colombian agent orangish airaids on peasants. Klintoon scared of flouting Congress or twarting the will of the prohibitionists. Czarbarry swooping down on Indian hemp crops and birdseed oh my.
Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban
S.D. Family Seeks The Right To Grow Hemp
Imported plastic from Osama's Saudi relatives, could be replaced by family farms. But wingnuts like Okie Ernie Istooks draconian sentencing, crude wells and dust bowls and grocery clerk Souder rep to the farmers he's bankrupting with chemicals, keeping hemp out of their reach so the ditchweed can bring more statistics to keep the Ganjawar going. Not satisfied molesting American kids minds with DARE fairy tales and weekly piss tastes. Went out spreading DEAth to the Bali's and Thai's, thus murdering 3000 to get in good graces with Unkle Sam. Stealing kids food stamps and college assistance for life. Not that this is anything new. Torture and cages are as much of our heratage as baseball and pie. Columbus to Nixon, status quo imperalism .
Representative Mark E. Souder has earnings, debts from businesses
By Sylvia A Smith -Washington Editor
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette May 16, 1997
The U.S.-Thailand Business Council paid the bill for a 16-day trip to Thailand last fall, and the Council for National Policy paid for Souder's flight and overnight expenses to make a speech in Orlando in March 1996.
Thailand DEAth squads protest
Jive Souder: Drug Sentencing Reform Act
Souder Illusion: Harsh Drug Bill Coming Soon To Congress
Mark Souder is the scum of the earth Drug WarRant #1,000
Ganjawar Monger "DEAth" Cunningham Busted 4 Fraud
DEAth mongers hype and hypocrisy beyond any reason or reasoning. Bill Bentit making all that money selling books about virtues and hobgoblin super preditor kids with the present thugczar Waldo and the xhead of the religious drug treatments, Dullo. Weekends betting and getting the fringes that everyone else goes to hell for. Losing $8 mil to slot machines is just plain clean fun to fascists. Besides no one was supposed to find out. Bentit as Education Sec, removed the curse word "hemp" from kids school books for the message it might send. (To Chevron and Exxon and Occidental)
"The non-addicted or casual irregular user is likely to have a still-intact family, social and work life. These are the users who should have their names published in local papers.
Drug dealers: "You deserve to die."
No moral problems with beheading drug dealers -only legal ones
William Bennett, the first U. S. "Drug Czar"
Isn't that special? Users names published, like those "using" slot machines? Now are the casino's "pushing" gambling on unsuspecting users? Does this mean a DEAth sentence to games of chance?
DEATH TO THE DRUGGIES" February10, 1998
Bill Bendit's Bad Bet: The Bookmaker of Virtues
"Death Penalty for Two Ounces of Marijuana!"
U.S. Rep. Newt Gingrich (xR-GA)
The Ultimate Hypocrisy
The Project for the New American Century
Established in 1997 by two leading neocon figures, William Kristol and Robert Kagan, PNAC aims to put the United States back on a course toward "global leadership" and to promote a "Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."
Signatories: Elliott Abrams, Dick Cheney, Paula Dobriansky, I. Lewis Libby, Peter Rodman, Donald Rumsfeld, Zalmay Khalilzad, and Paul Wolfowitz. Gary Bauer, William Bennett, Jeb Bush, Midge Decter, Frank Gaffney, Norman Podhoretz, Steve Forbes, Eliot Cohen, Fred Ikle, and Dan Quayle.
The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
"Tulia: Race, Cocaine, and Corruption in a Small Texas Town."
Food Stamps Become a Weapon in the War on Drugs
Drug Ruling Worries Some in Public Housing
Court: Cheney Energy Policy Meetings Can Stay Secret
Secrets of Cheney's Energy Task Force Come to Light
Under Cheney, Halliburton Altered Policy on Accounting
Halliburton Is Houston's `Greater Hermann Göring Werke'
Cheney's policy toward the people of Iraq is the same as Halliburton's policy toward its asbestos claimants, and the same as Göring's policy toward the people in the Nazi work camps.
Bushit Rumcheney Cocktail:Fascist Nationalism and MKULTRA
The death in 1953 of a government scientist, Frank Olson, in a fall from a New York hotel window, is one of the most notorious cases in CIA history.
The documents show that two of the key officials involved in the decision to withhold that information were White House aides Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, today the nation's vice president and secretary of Defense.
``These documents show the lengths to which the government was trying to cover up the truth,'' said the scientist's son, Eric Olson, who gave them to the Mercury News. ``For 22 years there was a coverup. And then, under the guise of revealing everything, there was a new coverup.''
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The "evidence" that Chevron had named one of their vessels the "Condonlezza Rice" was nothing but bad PhotoShop art. Even an untrained eye can see that from a distance. I strongly dislike articles that mix facts, with bogus ideas, with made up "evidence". It just makes me stop reading and question the validity of the entire article. 
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| The "evidence" that Chevron had named one of their vessels the "Condonlezza Rice" was nothing but bad PhotoShop art. Even an untrained eye can see that from a distance. I strongly dislike articles that mix facts, with bogus ideas, with made up "evidence". It just makes me stop reading and question the validity of the entire article. |
Is the San Francisco Chronicle evidence enough?
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Critics Knock Naming Oil Tanker Condoleezza
Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
Thursday, April 5, 2001
The White House, already criticized for its connections to Big Oil, now is facing renewed questions over Chevron's decision to name an oil tanker for national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.
The double-hulled giant, Condoleezza Rice, is part of the international tanker fleet of the San Francisco-based multinational oil firm, named several years ago in honor of Rice when she was a Chevron board member and stockholder.
Rice, the former Stanford University provost, served on Chevron's board from 1991 until Jan. 15, when she resigned after President Bush named her to the national security post.
MORE>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/04/05/MN222557.DTL |
And another...
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Chevron redubs ship named for Bush aide
Condoleezza Rice drew too much attention
- Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
Saturday, May 5, 2001
Leaving a wave of controversy in its wake, one of the most visible reminders of the Bush administration's ties to big oil - the 129,000-ton Chevron tanker Condoleezza Rice - has quietly been renamed, Chevron officials acknowledged yesterday.
"We made the change to eliminate the unnecessary attention caused by the vessel's original name," said Chevron spokesman Fred Gorell.
The double-hulled, Bahamian-registered oil tanker carrying the moniker of Bush's national security adviser was renamed the Altair Voyager, after a star, Gorell said.
MORE>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2001/05/05/MN223743.DTL&type=printable |
I thought it was one of those things everybody knew...
GOOGLE this: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=Oil+tanker+named+condoleeza+Rice
Is there anyone in Bush's cabinet who's NOT Big Oil?
Ben
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Thanks for the heads up on Candy Rice, but my problem was with the crappy doctored photo. If there is a real photo, use it. Other leave the photoshop to the artists and keep it out of the report. It only hurts the believability factor and you'll lose your audience. Hell, I went out for popcorn and a hit when I saw that. 
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: For Faithful and Loyal Service... Treason! |
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| The "evidence" that Chevron had named one of their vessels the "Condonlezza Rice" was nothing but bad PhotoShop art. Even an untrained eye can see that from a distance. I strongly dislike articles that mix facts, with bogus ideas, with made up "evidence". It just makes me stop reading and question the validity of the entire article. |
it was nothing but bad PhotoShop art?
Well it seems you accept this nonsense without problem? Maybe you should be equally skeptical with what the Fascists claims as you are when someone exposes them? I hope you have more fairness in judging the "victims" of using Ganja. Hope you don't just take Condi's word or Waldo's, that would be sad.
Even an untrained eye can see that from a distance.
First if you take half the time it took to write this denial, you could have gone to google for the pic yourself and not accusing me of doctoring photos. I haven't made a poster in over a year. And all of mine are obviously bias against the Fascists and their groupies.
I strongly dislike articles that mix facts, with bogus ideas, with made up "evidence"
I hate red herrings and diversions to avoid the reality you seem to fear. It's pretty easy to just say no and believe the Anslingers, Souders and Cheney's, hell you might even get a raise out of it. But the obvious is there for all to see and those with just a tad of sense can see Condi and big oil in bed. They also know about reefer madness and believe it or not just smoking Ganja doesn't make you good at jazz. Don't post anymore lies without backing it up. Your word is no longer acceptable here. Get a fucking grip!
Peace, Love and Liberty or the Merchants of DEAth
DdC
Thanks Mystic Power
seems some have a harder time than others getting a firm grip on the obvious...
Seriously, Chevron named an OIL TANKER after Condoleezza Rice....
BIG OIL - What Really Happened?
"A cold-blooded, chronological exposé of how America
got Bushwhacked by the oil industry. Thanks!".....
"Our reporters now use your page for background research".....
"I've emailed this page link to all my relatives".....
“It’s the OIL, stupid.”
“Greasing The Machine”
(Bush, His Cabinet and their Oil Connections)
For Faithful and Loyal Service:
Chevron named oil tanker the "Condoleezza Rice"
Below is a picture of the oil tanker before Chevron quietly renamed it the "Altair Voyager" and before President George Bush appointed Ms. Rice as National Security Advisor.
Do you get the picture?
Condoleezza Rice was a Chevron Director from 1991 until January 15, 2001 when she was transferred by President George Bush Jr. to National Security Adviser. Previously she was Senior Director, Soviet Affairs, National Security Council, and Special Assistant to President George Bush Sr. from 1989 to 1991.
Another Chevron Corporation giant in the Bush administration is Vice President Dick Cheney. Vice President Cheney was Chairman and Chief Executive of Dallas based Halliburton Corporation, the world’s largest oil field services company with multi-billion dollar contracts with oil corporations including Chevron. Lawrence Eagleburger, a seasoned Bush counselor who held top State Department posts under George Bush Sr., is a director of Halliburton Corporation.
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D, you ain't doin' yourself any favors by attacking me like that and then trying to play favorites with my brethern here. And yes, it is bad photoshop art. I could do that better. 
Try using a cooler tone next time. It was not a personal attack on you. Hell, I don't even know you, but I think I have a good idea about what your like.
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The problem I'm having is with the Cheney-Bush-Bike pic...
I think it might be PhotoShop'd, too ...'cause I'm pretty sure he can't even ride a bike!
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George does have opposable thumbs, though. I'll give him that.
He's a young man with potential.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: Re: US claims "Evidence" on Iran's nuke plans |
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As the author of this thread, I just wanted to bring this back to the original subject: US claims "Evidence" on Iran's nuke plans.
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The following sounds to me like the same BS that Powell presented to the UN just a few years ago.
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Strong leads, dead ends in nuclear case on Iran
Drawings show deep underground shaft for possible atomic test
By By Dafna Linzer
The Washington Post
Iranian engineers have completed sophisticated drawings of a deep subterranean shaft, according to officials who have examined classified documents in the hands of U.S. intelligence for more than 20 months.
Complete with remote-controlled sensors to measure pressure and heat, the plans for the 400-meter tunnel appear designed for an underground atomic test that might one day announce Tehran's arrival as a nuclear power, the officials said.
By the estimates of U.S. and allied intelligence analysts, that day remains as much as a decade away -- assuming that Iran applies the full measure of its scientific and industrial resources to the project and encounters no major technical hurdles. But whether Iran's leaders have reached that decision and what concrete progress the effort has made remain divisive questions among government analysts and U.N. inspectors.
In the three years since Iran was forced to acknowledge having a secret uranium-enrichment program, Western governments and the United Nations' nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, have amassed substantial evidence to test the Tehran government's assertion that it plans to build nothing more than peaceful nuclear power plants. Often circumstantial, usually ambiguous and always incomplete, the evidence has confounded efforts by policymakers, intelligence officials and U.S. allies to reach a confident judgment about Iran's intentions and a diplomatic solution to the crisis.
Drawings of the unbuilt test site, not disclosed publicly before, appear to U.S. officials to signal at least the ambition to test a nuclear explosive. But U.S. and U.N. experts who have studied them said the undated drawings do not clearly fit into a larger picture. Nowhere, for example, does the word "nuclear" appear on them. The authorship is unknown, and there is no evidence of an associated program to acquire, assemble and construct the components of such a site.
"The diagram is consistent with a nuclear test-site schematic," one senior U.S. source said, noting that the drawings envision a test control team parked a safe 10 kilometers -- more than six miles -- from the shaft. As far as U.S. intelligence knows, the idea has not left the drawing board.
Data on stolen laptop
Other suggestive evidence is cloaked in similar uncertainty. Contained in a laptop computer stolen by an Iranian citizen in 2004 are designs by a firm called Kimeya Madon for a small-scale facility to produce uranium gas, the construction of which would give Iran a secret stock that could be enriched for fuel or for bombs. Also on the laptop -- obtained by U.S. intelligence -- were drawings on modifying Iran's ballistic missiles in ways that might accommodate a nuclear warhead. Beyond the computer files, an imprisoned Pakistani arms dealer recently offered uncorroborated statements that Iran received several advanced centrifuges, equipment that would vastly improve its nuclear knowledge.
U.S. intelligence considers the laptop documents authentic but cannot prove it. Analysts cannot completely rule out the possibility that internal opponents of the Iranian leadership could have forged them to implicate the government, or that the documents were planted by Tehran itself to convince the West that its program remains at an immature stage.
CIA analysts, some of whom had been involved only a year earlier on the flawed assessments of Iraq's weapons programs, initially speculated that a third country, such as Israel, may have fabricated the evidence. But they eventually discounted that theory.
British intelligence, asked for a second opinion, concurred last year that the documents appear authentic. German and French officials consider the information troubling, sources said, but Russian experts have dismissed it as inconclusive. IAEA inspectors, who were highly skeptical of U.S. intelligence on Iraq, have begun to pursue aspects of the laptop information that appear to bolster previous leads.
"There is always a chance this could be the biggest scam perpetrated on U.S. intelligence," one U.S. source acknowledged. "But it's such a large body of documents and such strong indications of nuclear weapons intent, and nothing seems so inconsistent."
'Hard target'
Bush administration officials, convinced that Iran has a weapons program, believe that the body of documentation is the nearest anyone can expect to "smoking gun" evidence. But even in the U.S. government, the predominant interpretation is more complex. And any step toward uranium enrichment, experts said, is consistent with three competing explanations -- that Iran's program is peaceful, that it aims for a weapon, or that the Tehran government is still keeping its options open.
A presidential commission found in 2004 that U.S. intelligence knows "disturbingly little" about Tehran's capabilities. And at a congressional hearing last Thursday, Director of National Intelligence John D. Negroponte described Iran as a "hard target" to penetrate.
While it is unknown whether Iran would ultimately decide to build a nuclear bomb, it is clear from evidence gathered by U.S. and foreign intelligence and through U.N. inspections that Iran, mostly through its energy program, is acquiring and mastering technologies that could be diverted to bombmaking. |
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