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Fyrefly1
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 Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:52 am Post subject: The War Hawks... |
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Hey ya'll,
Got this off of Barbra Streisand's site. Very interesting the disparity between the Reps. and the Dems in the fields of war.....
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The Principal Architects of War
...Barbra Streisand
Posted on October 25, 2004
I find it appalling that the Bush Administration, most of whose members have never served in the military, have questioned the patriotism of Democrats that oppose the President's handling of the war in Iraq. Many of these Democratic leaders have clearly shown their bravery and loyalty in combat through their own military service. The architects of the Iraq war and the Republicans who stand by the Bush administration with unwavering support for its policies of pre-emptive war have painstakingly tried to deflect attention away from their own lack of military service. The policy of pre-emptive war first became part of the debate in a report called The Project for a New American Century, published in 2000 (written in 1999) and supported by many currently serving in the Bush Administration. The document promotes the ideology of total U.S. World domination through force. The Defense Policy Board, composed of an influential group of advisors to the Pentagon, review and assess the country's strategic defense policies. Under the leadership of Richard Perle, who never served in the military, the Defense Policy Board has been transformed from a nonpartisan advisory body into a megaphone for the rigid policy preferences of the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld. The people that are making decisions to go to war, have never been there themselves! I'll let you decide, based on the litany of hard facts below, who you feel is more experienced and credible to make decisions on what circumstances warrant putting our young men and women into battle...those who have experienced war firsthand or those who just have seen it on TV.
Principal Architects of War on Iraq in the Bush Administration:
Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Other Important Republicans:
Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
House Whip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bill Frist: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
Phil Gramm: did not serve
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Bob Dole: an honorable veteran.
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Duke Cunningham: nominated for Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Silver Stars, Air Medals, Purple Hearts.
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
JC Watts: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
The Democratic Record:
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts.
John Edwards: did not serve.
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311.
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
John Dingell: WWII vet
John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea |
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Lilli
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But they are so quick to shed OUR childrens blood in war.
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I remember so well the wonderful graffitti messages that were spread all over the place during my Navy-'Nam days...
We the unwilling
Led by the unqualified
To do the unthinkable
For the uncaring...
It's even more appropriate now.
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We need a REVOLUTION
Revolution
by Beatles
Album : Past Masters Volume Two,
1967-1970 (Blue album)
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah
ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
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Fyrefly1
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We the unwilling
Led by the unqualified
To do the unthinkable
For the uncaring... |
Wow Ben, that's heavy.....I sorta remember it from the days of 'Nam....we were protesting and trying to keep the peace at Arizona State U.in '68-'69!
Remember "What if somebody gave a war, and nobody came...? It was penned by Leslie Parrish.
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| Remember "What if somebody gave a war, and nobody came...? It was penned by Leslie Parrish. |
I had forgotten that Leslie Parrish had done that.
War is not healthy for children and other living things was also one of my favorites.
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Good site, Ferre. Thanks!
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I think GW read all the wrong sort of books!
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Lilli
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The book he was being read by the young studants when he heard of the wtc attack instead of being named "my pet goat"
Should have been title president Bush pet SKAPEGOAT'S.
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I think GW read all the wrong sort of books!
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Yep. I think My Pet Goat and a wrinkled, borrowed copy of CLIFF'S NOTES HAMLET are all the books he ever read...and we're not too sure if he ever finished the Cliff's Notes....or gave it back.
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Lilli
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Yep, Lilli...
The U.S. has been in a War-Time Economy since WWII...
There's big bucks in war biz.
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