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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:46 pm    Post subject: The UK Terror plot: what's really going on? Reply with quote

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As Britain's outspoken Ambassador to the Central
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The UK Terror plot: what's really going on?


I have been reading very carefully through all the Sunday newspapers to try and analyse the truth from all the scores of pages claiming to detail the so-called bomb plot. Unlike the great herd of so-called security experts doing the media analysis, I have the advantage of having had the very highest security clearances myself, having done a huge amount of professional intelligence analysis, and having been inside the spin machine.

So this, I believe, is the true story.

None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time.

In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.

What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for over a year - like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early arrests.

Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn't give is the truth.

The gentleman being "interrogated" had fled the UK after being wanted for questioning over the murder of his uncle some years ago. That might be felt to cast some doubt on his reliability. It might also be felt that factors other than political ones might be at play within these relationships. Much is also being made of large transfers of money outside the formal economy. Not in fact too unusual in the British Muslim community, but if this activity is criminal, there are many possibilities that have nothing to do with terrorism.

We then have the extraordinary question of Bush and Blair discussing the possible arrests over the weekend. Why? I think the answer to that is plain. Both in desperate domestic political trouble, they longed for "Another 9/11". The intelligence from Pakistan, however dodgy, gave them a new 9/11 they could sell to the media. The media has bought, wholesale, all the rubbish they have been shovelled.

We then have the appalling political propaganda of John Reid, Home Secretary, making a speech warning us all of the dreadful evil threatening us and complaining that "Some people don't get" the need to abandon all our traditional liberties. He then went on, according to his own propaganda machine, to stay up all night and minutely direct the arrests. There could be no clearer evidence that our Police are now just a political tool. Like all the best nasty regimes, the knock on the door came in the middle of the night, at 2.30am. Those arrested included a mother with a six week old baby.

For those who don't know, it is worth introducing Reid. A hardened Stalinist with a long term reputation for personal violence, at Stirling Univeristy he was the Communist Party's "Enforcer", (in days when the Communist Party ran Stirling University Students' Union, which it should not be forgotten was a business with a very substantial cash turnover). Reid was sent to beat up those who deviated from the Party line.

We will now never know if any of those arrested would have gone on to make a bomb or buy a plane ticket. Most of them do not fit the "Loner" profile you would expect - a tiny percentage of suicide bombers have happy marriages and young children. As they were all under surveillance, and certainly would have been on airport watch lists, there could have been little danger in letting them proceed closer to maturity - that is certainly what we would have done with the IRA.

In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. Of the over one thousand British Muslims arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, only twelve per cent are ever charged with anything. That is simply harrassment of Muslims on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% are acquitted. Most of the very few - just over two per cent of arrests - who are convicted, are not convicted of anything to do terrorism, but of some minor offence the Police happened upon while trawling through the wreck of the lives they had shattered.

Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/08/the_uk_terror_p.html


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go figure....No bomb, no plane tickets, no passports. I really love the part about those of us who "don't get" giving up our freedoms. No, I don't get bowing down to ANYONE, jackass! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Incredible Psychic Prediction?

We shall continue to see "terrorists plots" in the "newz" ... right up until the 2nd Tuesday in November.

(That's when U.S. elections are held.)

rofl

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic Power wrote:
My Incredible Psychic Prediction?

We shall continue to see "terrorists plots" in the "newz" ... right up until the 2nd Tuesday in November.

(That's when U.S. elections are held.)

rofl

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That's my view too.

Here are more very interesting articles on the, what I call; 'terror scam'...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=newsHighlights&newsId=37
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is no less than a nazi show trial.

in less than 48 hours after their arrest a british bank went on prime-time,national TV. news and published the names of all the 'terrorists'.

they proudly announced that they had frozen all their assets as a list was displayed on the screen containing every single name.as if to emphasize the fact the newsreader slowly and carefully read out each name.

they were all described , not as suspects , but as terrorist.

under the state of marshall law in the UK at the moment these people are being detained and subjected to psychological torture at the top british torture chamber (paddington green maximum security 'police' station.)

some of these people have not even been charged yet , but a special pannel of judges has repeatedly granted the gestapo permission to detain and torture these people without even charging them and without credible evidence.

and what has the U.N. got to say about this? f**k all.

how about the European court of human rights? - f**k all.

how about the british human rights groups? f**k all.

have a guess how fair the trial of these people is going to be.

GUY FAWKES - WHERE ARE YOU WHEN WE NEED YOU SO BAD.

(NOTE.the author of this message does not advocate any act of violence and certainly not blowing up the houses of parliament.the amount of bullshit released into the evironment in the event of such an act would be detrimental to der fatherland.i just want to be a good little nazi.honest i do.)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS.

You will continue to hear about these carefully orchestrated 'terrorist' activities and MI5/CIA/FBI will continue to commit these acts (blaming them on muslim extremists) untill all your civil liberties and human rights have been pissed down the drain.

when the blair/bush double act is replaced , whichever front-men take their place will continue the mad dash toward der new vorld order and marshall law.

it wont stop until we are all reduced to worker ants living in a corporate one-world state.

by then it will be too late.

man , i tell you , our children are going to hate our guts for allowing them to be reduced to slavery.our generation has earned their contempt.

sorry about the vitriol , i hope i am proved to be an over-exaggerating loonatic.

whats the bet ?

PEACEFUL NON-CONFORMITY.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Siege Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus Reply with quote

(The following is an article from 2003.)

Siege Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus and the Destabilization of California
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman

George W. Bush's grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the Birkenau Death Camp. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian father volunteered for the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer.

Together, they have destabilized California and are on the brink of bringing it a new Reich. With the Schwarzenegger candidacy they have laid siege to America's largest state, lining it up for the 2004 election.

The Bush family ties to the Nazi party are well known. In their 1994 Secret War Against the Jews, Mark Aarons and John Loftus use official US documents to establish that George Herbert Walker, George W. Bush's maternal great-grandfather, was one of Hitler's most important early backers. He funneled money to the rising young fascist through the Union Banking Corporation.

In 1926, Walker arranged to have his new son-in-law, Prescott Bush---father of President George Bush I, grandfather of George Bush II---hired as Vice President at W.A. Harriman and Company. Prescott became a senior partner when Harriman merged with a British-American investment company to become Brown Brothers Harriman. In 1934 Prescott Bush joined the Board of Directors of Union Banking.

The bank helped Hitler rise to power. It also helped him wage war. As late as July 31, 1941---well after the Nazi invasion of Poland---the U.S. government froze $3 million in Union Banking assets linked to Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen was noted in the American press as a "German industrialist and original backer of Adolph Hitler."


MORE>> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: I dont like bush!! Reply with quote

I think Bush is a weiner.But I think Kerry was a bigger weiner. Our choices? A lying weiner that will take our money and not give a shit about the people or a stupid lying weiner that will give our country to Violent fundamentalist Islam so they can kill us all. I chose the first as much as I dislike them.

The problem isnt Bush or Kerry or Carter on any other one person. The problem is the people have lost thier govorment. It now belongs to the rich an elite.

As for the terrorist? I'm with the law on this one. I've talked to some Islamic extreamist and they are crazy as loons. They make Bush look resonable. Look to France and Spain and ask them if they are happy with the Islamic happenings in thier Countrys.

What we need is a revolution. Was it Thomas Jefferson that said we need one every 20 years to keep poloticians honest?
well were 180 years late and it shows. And dont think our bitchin about anything is gonna matter a hoot. Can we say Illuminate?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our choices weren't Bush or Kerry. Both are puppets, and things would have transpired as planned regardless who is in office. However, they control the votes, so they appoint whoever it is they want.

As for terrorist....you gotta be kidding me. You have been duped. The terrorists are running our country, not hiding in Iraq....

The revolution I agree with. Wanna say Illuminate, say skull & bones. Then say hello to former bonesmen Bush, Clinton, etc.

Very good article, Ferre. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What other choices did we have beside Bush and Kerry. I dont remember anyone else being on the November Ballot. And if I have been duped its from a Muslim extreamest that was trying to recruit me. I suppose he was working for Bush too. I dont like the what the goverment has become but the enemy of my enemy is not my friend if he is trying to kill me or some other innocent surf trying to feed his nine kids. I am a peaceful man and I dont care who is being evil.Bush , Kerry , Carter or some violent fundimental religious group. Like the christian crusades. Bad very bad. No violance. No hate. No legislation of peace, it must come from men. No signed paper can hold it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Ferre. Wanna smoke a hubbly bubbly with this guy? It's ok...he's just a nice friendly Muslim protester. Nothing to worry about. He hates Christians, Jews and Americans too.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/223870/5_26_091506_pope_protest.jpg
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

broRo, if you really believe that I hate Christians, Jews or Americans you are totally insane dude.

If you come here just to add insinuations about me you better stay away.

You sound just as insane as that idiot leader of yours who told the world that; "if you are not with us, you are with the terr'sts"

Grow up.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta agree with ya Ferre. No room for hate here.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Ferre, YOU'RE the fascist with your head up your ass, not me.

God bless America and God bless Israel because with people like you and your Muslim pals peddling hate and racism they're gonna need it.

So I'm out of here.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll help you stay out of here too dude, you are banned from now on. Laughing
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