The Persecution and Torture Of Visionaries

**Ferre**

Below is a message from one of the members at a Shaman group that I am also a member of, ponder this;

**Torkel** · Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the nfo.

I read several letters from mindfreedom.org where they exposed Pfizer pharmaceutical's apparent deception/exploitation of the public.

ljb · Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: persecution of visionaries

i totally agree. i wouldn't even begin to discuss insights i've had with the herb with my therapist. tis a pity, but she's not into "drug use." i did, however, have another therapist who moved out west so that he could incorporate more shamanism into his practice or something like that. but yeah, the standard crap they teach in schools is cannabis is a "bad drug."

standing at the bus stop last night, i over hear two guys talking. one's ranting about biblical truths and resurrection when they suddenly get on to altered states of consciousness. the bible guy doesn't believe humans are capable of this. the other guy, holding his own quite well, starts asking him what he thinks dreams are. i wanted to ask if the guy had ever heard about shamanism, sacrament, entheogens, etc. but the bus came and we were all ushered off into our own limited realities.

peace,

ljb

**aeroplane** · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject:

Sometime after 9/11 ýours truly was prescribed various SSRI's (Paxil, Zolaf, et. al.) for anxiety treatment. I was living in Los Angeles at the time and every other day was a new terror alert. The drugs created a heightened state of anxiety that was leading towards depression. It was the closest thing I have ever experienced to what insanity must feel like. The drugs had temporarily messed up my serotonin levels. After consultation with my doctor, and educating him about THC, he recommended that I stop taking the drugs and try THC instead.

While THC can cause a bit of a brief anxious moment, it goes away and it does not make you feel like a stranger in your own skin. SSRI's should be banned. More people have been hurt by SSRI's in the short time they've been around than probably the past 200 years of pot.

I've also found that psychedelics can really help one understand the roots of anxiety, anger, depression, abuse, etc. which is what many tribal shamans have been known to use them for.
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sara · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 29 May 2003 Posts: 448

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1514321,00.html

Last orders for magic mushroom enthusiasts

Mark Honigsbaum
Saturday June 25, 2005
The Guardian

Bad news for psychedelic fungi fans. There are just 24 more shopping days
before magic mushrooms are declared illegal - and that's official.

Ignoring pleas from mushroom retailers and consumers, the government
yesterday announced that clause 21 of the Drugs Act 2005, reclassifying
psilocybe mushrooms as a class A drug alongside heroin and crack cocaine,
will come into force on July 18.

From that date, importation, possession or sale of magic mushrooms will be
punishable by a life sentence, effectively outlawing sales via market
stalls, head shops and the internet.

Laying the statutory instrument before parliament, the Home Office said the
only exception would be for wild mushrooms, growing on uncultivated land.

Landowners who are unaware they have a controlled substance, or who pick
the mushrooms with the intention of delivering them to the police, will
also be exempted.

Transform, the drug policy group which has been a vocal critic of clause
21, immediately condemned the Home Office's decision, saying the exemptions
did little to clarify what it considered flawed legislation.

"How is someone supposed to know what is uncultivated?" asked Transform's
director, Danny Kushnick. "This has nothing to do with clarifying the law
or goods drugs policy. It's simply about shutting down vendors who have
been selling mushrooms."

The Entheogen Defence Fund, a group set up to protect the interests of
mushroom retailers and consumers, said the announcement would make no
difference to its campaign to have clause 21 overturned through judicial
review.

Declaring criminalisation of magic mushrooms a retrograde step, it
predicted the reclassification would simply encourage more youngsters to
try ecstasy, LSD, heroin and cocaine.

"The sale of 100,000 kilos of magic mushrooms per annum has had a big
impact on the reduction of the illegal use of soft and hard drugs," said
EDF's chairman, Mike Bashall. "Expect more crime and more deaths related to
illegal drugs."

Backed by Dutch wholesalers, for whom the UK has become a lucrative export
market for psychedelic fungi, the EDF has raised £10,000 to challenge the
British legislation. It points out that in the Netherlands the sale of
magic mushrooms is legal and says that clause 21 could be in breach of
European Union law making it illegal to place restrictions on free trade
except in specific circumstances, such as for the protection of health and
life.

Caroline Flint, the Home Office minister, who spearheaded the legislation
through parliament shortly before the general election, said mushrooms
could trigger psychosis and there was evidence users could be at risk of
self-harm.

However, a Dutch study found no evidence to link magic mushrooms with
psychosis and said that mushrooms did not lower users' violence threshold.

Since consumption usually took place at home or in the open air, "there is
no inconvenience to other people," it concluded.

Crying or Very sad

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**Fyrefly1** · Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:

**Rev. Rodger L. Poole** · Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject:

I must make a cryptic statement here:

Those with a full knowledge of the law will know that this is just for show. There are legitimate, legal ways around this new law...smile when you find it. Laughing

I will not reveal what it is, because I know these boards are watched. scared

Me not very much dumb....!
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Echo · Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject:

Where is the line between a psycotic episode and a spiritual experience?

There was a woman in Italy that after a traffic accident was able to hear voices coming from aliens living on another planet. They could guide her and speak to her. They used to join in conversations too.

I met a boy who could hear up to three voices at a time. Didn't take the usual anti-psycotic drugs because they made him sleepy, but he "knew" he was psycotic. The herb helped him a lot to cope with it.

Shamans usually WANT to hear those voices, want to get into that state of mind. Want to know. Some natural drugs known to man for centuries can be of help. But where is the line?
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**aeroplane** · Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:34 am Post subject:

**Ferre** · Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject:

Sad to see that dumbass ignorance rules this world. Sad

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Echo · Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject:

I think that NOBODY should be treated against their own will unless they pose a risk to themselves or others (self enjury, cannibalism and such).

I recognize cannabis as a portal to self-awareness and possibly a tool for some people in shamanic rituals.

"Visions" are something I will put in the "I don't know box" for the time being as I have a close family member who can see things: the devil, the Virgin Mary, and claims to have x ray vision. She never took drugs. She is very anti-cannabis and I have to always hide my stash when this person is around.

What can I say? Electroshock therapy is scary and doesn't do any good in my opinion. It's like kicking at a juke-box that has eaten your money. Sometimes the song starts.
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