The Origins of Christianity

**Mystic Power** · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:54 am Post subject:

Thank you, Bro. An excellent find.

I've had to create a "THC MINISTRIES GOODIES" favorites folder for all the great info I find here.

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wattssw · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 5

Hi, have you read Josephus? Josephus is one of the most recognized Jewish historians, living about a hundred years after Christ. While not believing in Christ, he wrote about him in a number of books and documented that he had some sort of 'powers'

How does Christ not being a real person advance spirituality with or without the sacrament? Isnt this simply divisive, not to mention historically inaccurate

**RevErikM** · Shaman Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 235

I don't know about it being divisive...I'm not a christian. Whether or not Jesus Christ really existed is not possible at this point to conclusively prove...though it is very evident from the holy text of the christians and from a study of judaism that cannabis would have undoubtedly been important to and used by him.

For a Christian, it would be blasphemy to consider Jesus Christ might be a fallacy...he is the basis of their religion, after all.

My opinion is this: Jesus Christ was the son of God in the same way that we are all manifestations of the One. Whether or not he existed as a man in the past doesn't matter, he certainly exists in the minds of millions of humans today. But then again, what do I know; I happen to find the tales of Set very amiable at that, when he's depicted as a freedom-fighter by his followers.
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**Mystic Power** · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject:

prntrkmt · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:16 am Post subject:

**Ferre** · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:03 am Post subject:

Thank you brother prntrkmt for joining us here on our forums and for your clear worded explaination on this issue.

As for your hope not to offend;

Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

This is what you offer as denial of christs existance? Shocked

Why don't you ask the Jews if Christ existed? Laughing

msactech1 · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject:

Yeah!
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Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

Wow, that was quite a froth there prntrkmt. It is as big a pile of horepucky as I have ever heard. Seriously though, you don't really believe that shit do you? I see that the athiests are trying to control the future by rewriting the past. If you want to convince people of the rightness of your way then you must avoid lies like these. Once they find out that this is nothing more than horseshit shovelage you will be discredited. I may foam at times but I do try to temper it with reason. Denying that Christ exisited will never gain you any credibility. It is meaningless to deny his very real existance. If you deny his devinity then you should do it by example, cool dispasionate reason. That is one of the greatest enemies of my faith. A well informed person who can argue logically and rationally and present arguments that are contrary to my beliefs. But to deny he existed. only lets you preach to a chior of fellow athiests.

**Ferre** · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject:

msactech1 · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject:

I had a comment, but I'm backing out. I don't want to hurt anymore feeling, or get my feelings hurt. I'm going to try to stay on everybody's good side, today, and keep it to myself. Sorry I'm not doing to good at backing you up, Rev.Steve, but I need a break from these religious discussions.
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Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

Can you give us an example of such research Bro. Ferre. A serious non biased example of some scientific research that disproves the existance of Jesus Christ. No hateful ranting or anything from someone who has an ax to grind with Christ. REAL SCIENCE only please.

IntrepidEZJ · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 381

Here we are again.

For one, Antiquities also praises Hercules!!

Do you believe in Hercules Steve?

Do you realize Hercules was worshipped for 2,000 years, before the people finally got "hip"?

First off, this is a long conversation. So let me try to summarize:

ALL, and I do mean, ALL accounts of Jesus are HEARSAY accounts. Non was in the first person.

NONE of the gospels, were written in the life of Jesus. All were written well after.

Let me stop short.

The burden of proof, lies with HE WHO MAKES THE CLAIMS.

So, Steve, show us that Jesus indeed existed. With scientific evidence that you hold so dear.

I will give you a web page, not extremely long, but long enough to take care of all the issues, that will show you that you are wrong.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

If you can prove it wrong, or prove me wrong, you might convert a new follower into your Christian camp.

Your religion says you should convert the non-believers.

So I ask you to get to work. It is for the good of both of us and others watching.

Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

Not being Christians you have missed the point. Christianity is not about proof it's about faith. I have no doubt that there were early Christian texts dictated by the Apostles but which did not survive. Then, as now Christ had no shortage of enemies who hate him because he loved the world. This is not only about Christ, the athiests deny the existance of a creator. This to me is quite savage, it is shocking to me that anybody can fool themselves into thinking the universe just happened. If you truly believe that then you have no business trying to determine whether God exists or not, you have locked logic and reason out of your minds and replaced it with an unreasoning hate of the idea of a god. Though some have denied this I am not fooled. Better that there is shoddy proof of Christ than the concrete you look for.

There is no way to fabricate a universe, there is no technology that will ever exist that can do that. The only way it could have happened is with a thought from the mind of a being so vast that it is incomprehensible. To say it just happened is simply unreasonable. A logical discussion with that kind of thinking is not possible. I freely admit that I might be wrong about Christ. You will not admit that you may be wrong. This is far too one sided to produce any meaningful result.