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Ferre
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The Origin of Consciousness
A little known book by psychologist Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, offers an interesting explanation of how the development of consciousness took place. Although Jaynes fails to fully recognize the strong role that plant-drugs may have played in the development of consciousness, he has come up with what I think is a most revolutionary concept. It is explained on the book's back cover as follows:
Based on recent laboratory studies of the brain and a close reading of the archeological evidence, psychologist Julian Jaynes shows us how ancient people from Mesopotamia to Peru could not `think' as we do today, and were therefore not conscious. Unable to introspect, they experienced auditory hallucinations - voices of gods, actually heard as in the Old Testament or the Iliad - which, coming from the brain's right hemisphere, told a person what to do in circumstances of novelty or stress. This ancient mentality is called bicameral mind... Only catastrophe and cataclysm forced mankind to `learn' consciousness, and that happened only 3000 years ago.7
It was in Terrence McKenna's Food of the Gods, that I was first introduced to Jaynes' book, and McKenna's articulate description of Jaynes' theory is worth quoting.
He proposes that through Homeric times people did not have the kind of interior psychic organization we take for granted. Thus what we call ego was for the Homeric people "god". When danger threatened suddenly, the god's voice was heard in the individual's mind: an intrusive and alien function was expressed as a kind of metaprogram for survival called forth under moments of great stress. This psychic function was perceived by those experiencing it as the direct voice of a god, of the king, or of the king in the afterlife. Merchants and traders moving from one society to another brought the unwelcome news that the gods were saying different things in different places, and so cast early seeds of doubt. At some point people integrated this previously autonomous function, and each person became the god and reinterpreted the inner voice as the `self' or, as it was later called, the `ego'.8
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Great find, Ferre. IMHO this is the reference to Adam, Eve, and everybody else who were "driven out of the Garden of Eden." Once we gained a higher consciousness and self-awareness we realized that we were no longer like the other animals. We are the Naked Ape.
 Hmmm, here's an interesting thought: Why do you suppose the human brain was more influenced by entheogens than other mammals?
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| Why do you suppose the human brain was more influenced by entheogens than other mammals? |
Probably because most of the other mammals have some sort of stripes or spots on them.
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I have opposable thumbs, of which I am quite proud!
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| Why do you suppose the human brain was more influenced by entheogens than other mammals? |
Probably because most of the other mammals have some sort of stripes or spots on them. |
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| I have opposable thumbs, of which I am quite proud! |
Well, that explains everything! 
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Im running around my apartment in my boxers with a hoody on my head like a cape.
thats evolution.
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I subjected my brain to 1½ torturous hours of watching Stripes last night. The most enlightening moments were the mudwrestling girls, otherwise I think I might fallen about 20 - 30 IQ points as a result. 
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Im running around my apartment in my boxers with a hoody on my head like a cape.
thats evolution. |
Remember to make Brrrrr-Brrrrrr airplane noises when you do that!
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Nah! Are you really telling me that the little voice I hear in my head is not god?
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| Nah! Are you really telling me that the little voice I hear in my head is not god? |
The little voice is God, Echo, but the big one is not.  Any other voices are simply the price one pays for being trapped somewhere between Heaven & Hell.
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Won't take a day off, I'll be dead.
My icy fingers claw your back
Here I come again!
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Im running around my apartment in my boxers with a hoody on my head like a cape.
thats evolution. |
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I was Batman so I had to be quiet and mean looking.
I brought justice to the people of Gotham!!!!
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I was Batman so I had to be quiet and mean looking.
I brought justice to the people of Gotham!!!!
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Underroos again, Z? Hey, When ya gonna give us a photo of you flying by that internment camp?
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I was Batman so I had to be quiet and mean looking.
I brought justice to the people of Gotham!!!!
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Underroos again, Z? Hey, When ya gonna give us a photo of you flying by that internment camp? |
They will take my camera and beat me with it if I go over there. Im sure of it.
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the "bicameral mind" One side speaking the otherside obeying.
Where did the voice go?
people do still obey.
because they
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| could not `think' as we do today, and were therefore not conscious. |
Conscious means "aware of and responding to one’s surroundings"
not being aware and able to respond to ones surroundings.
Sounds like domestication slavery to me.
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| unable to introspect. |
introspect means 'reflect on one's own thoughts and feelings"
this means they could not "think deeply or carefully about."
This only implies obediance.and lack of advanced verbal skills.
FACT: neandertal.burying his dead with flowers and all,had to be able to "think deeply"and "carefully"
I know of no science that can tell us "voices were heard as god"
no science can tell us what the thoughts or effects thoughts had on ancient people were.
Your artical then states:Only catastrophe and cataclysm forced mankind to `learn' consciousness, and that happened only 3000 years ago.
1000bc is the time of david.and the Zhou Dynasty of China.Acastus, King of Athens,1020 BC - destruction of Troy,Neferkare Amenemnisu, king of Egypt,
Surely the king david had awareness and could respond to his surroundings.He led a peoples afterall.
TRUTH:The people were blinded like a horse with blinders on.
Or like a falcon or dog with a leash on them.
So at this time mankind was not able to be"aware of and respond to one’s surroundings"?
TRUTH:
MANKIND WAS HERDED and his awareness was cut/lessened by removal of cannabis his wild/symbiotic foodsource.(at the garden)
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| In homeric times the ego was god |
Just like a dog, his ego is controlled by man
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This is mumbo jumbo.Lets see proof/evidence of what was heard in an anciant mans mind.
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| an intrusive and alien function was expressed as a kind of metaprogram for survival called forth under moments of great stress. |
Yes, being taken and herded is intrusive and alien.
As far as the "metaprogram".Originaly people were enslaved,later they earned degrees of freedom.
As people learned new languages.they saw the different messages of control given to each language area ,dictated to them by there leaders/kings/herders/controllers,causing confusion.then at some point people started to see the truth that we are all the"I AM".We are are own masters.
Unfortunatly many are not aware/awakened to this knowledge,even in this day.
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| I find it difficult to accept that the ancient egyptians who built the pyramids or any other enginering capable society for that matter was incapable of thought. Clothes, agriculture and weapons require a great deal of thought to produce. Why did did the ancient Chinese invent rockets and telescopes. And noodles, are you telling me that something so complex as noodles were invented by mindless idiots. |
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