The Faces of war

[BroRo]

you can thank the Americans and British for that Sara. They had to kill a lot of Germans so that I can write this right now.

In the Bhagavad Gita Khrishna spurs Arjuna the warrior on( who is full of doubts, trepidations and, I guess pacifist qualms) just before the great and decisive battle, telling him that action is necessary and he has to enter the fight against dark and evil forces. Arjuna is caught up in a huge cosmic theatre with a definite part to play. Hitler and his psychos could have been stopped before 1939 but the rest of Europe blew it and made a big mistake appeasing Germany for one selfish reason or another. By 1939 it was too late and we had to fight and pay the price for previous inaction. That's karma--maya. The great play. We write it moment to moment. It's happening now.
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don't pull no punches but don't push the river

[IntrepidEZJ]

Even Gandhi understood that you must you force in certain situations.

But, again, pre-emptive force is aggression.

And it is an international war crime.

War-mongers tell me that it is man's deep intution to fight other man, that it is primal, and that it will never go away.

Some have said war will always be with us.

Without war, we would have over-population, depleted resources, man's inate survival instincts would then take place, and then, real full scale war would break out, some say.

Ethnic Cleansing is absolutely real. Perhaps those in power have an understanding we have not achieved. I do not want to think that.

Our problem, in my opinion, collectively, is our focus.

There is no obstacle that we cannot overcome.

And we certainly cannot overcome future obstacles such as depletion, when we are divided and fighting amongst ourselves.

I see no reason for war, if you work in terms of win/win.

People like Hitler may always pop up from time to time, but, the democratic thing to do, would be appeal to his people.

Not invade their country and smash it up because of the actions of their leader and a few constituents.

Just like in the United States, Bush's approval rating is at 31 percent now I believe.

Him, and presidents before him, have inflicted great harm upon the world. Using the United States logic, the people of the United States may one day get bombed and attacked by angry countries who will no longer put up with it.

Is it the fault of the populace? Yes. Do they deserve to die?

I will let that question hang in the midst.

What goes around, will certainly come around.

Is all of this death and destruction necessary?

Like Cindy Sheehan, I must ask, what is the noble cause?

[BroRo]

As far as I know Gandhi was an absolute pacifist. He practiced Ahimsa. He advised the Indian people to just lie down and practise non-violent resistance when the Japanese invaded, as was their avowed intention. That would have provided the Japs with plenty of stimulating and useful bayonet practice. Again, thanks to the British and American forces( read--the forces of good) they were stopped from conquering the world and walking all over India in the process. So Gandhi was in Noddyland and completely out of touch with the real world and the historical processes happening around him. He was a fool. He even wrote a letter to Hitler asking him to be nice and not invade other countries. I saw it in the Gandhi museum in Madurai. He did not understand the nature of evil and the mass psychology of fascism. He was a pollyanna but arrogant with it.
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don't pull no punches but don't push the river

[Don Quixote]

the eastern philosophies relating to the nature of the individuals place in 'the grand scheme of things' and the nature of life and the spirit is completely different than that of the west.

Ghandi's tactics of passive resistance , non-conformity and boycotts were genious.

he was able to defeate the power of the entire British empire by not actualy fighting.
this was at a time when the brits idea of crowd control was to use belt fed , water cooled machine-guns to 'disperse' a crowd !(Amritsa , to name but one of many examples.)

i believe that any legitimate grievance or protest loses all justification the minute they resort to violence.
this is why our secret police use 'agent provocateurs' to discredit legitimate protests by commiting acts of violence in the hope of inciting members of the crowd to do the same.

use violence and you are just another gang of thugs in the eyes of the 'general public' sitting at home in front of the morono-scope....er i mean T.V.

PEACE quite literaly (or illiterary)

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