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 Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Isn't it somewhat odd that boinking is considered to be a sin...and stupidity is NOT?
...only on planet earth...
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Shamash
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to get this topic back on topic. The subject of torture by christians.
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| Thank you for your smart-ass comments brother sham. |
Just a little humor...couldn't help myself - you left yourself wide open
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The vast majority of Amerikans proudly profess to be christians.
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No, not really.
Most people don't have the intellectual honesty to come right and say
that they don't really believe in Jesus at all. This includes many, many
so called churches. It's only a social thing much like someone may
join the Moose club or the Kiwanis. It's nice to be around nice people.
A recent Barna poll showed that only about 9% of the people who
professed to be Christians in America actually had and lived a Biblical
worldview. This means that 91% of those calling themselves Christian
live and act contrary to the teachings of Jesus.
George Bush is no exception. Except he is slick. For so many of the
borderline Christian people he was able to fool them into thinking he
was really a true believer like them. That's why so many voted for him.
I tried to warn people that he was a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Ide say the cast majority of amerikkkans just simply
dont care about religion. Thats why our porn industry is so huge. |
He is right.
It's true that the world percieves us as a Christian country. That used
to be true in the beginning. But not any more.
Sadly, what people percieve to be true and what truth really is, is often
miles apart.
I wonder if the Islamic world sets around beating themselves up concerned
how the rest of the world sees them? From what I've seen, they could
care less. For instance these kinds of headlines fill the newswires
constantly;
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Muslim women, children shield marine killers
By Richard S Ehrlich
BANGKOK - Suspected Islamist insurgents avoided capture after torturing to death two Thai marines by beating and stabbing the bound-and-gagged victims behind a human shield of defiant Muslim women and children, horrifying the government and plunging southern Thailand into a fresh security crisis.
Amid the world's most violent Islamist insurgency outside Iraq, angry and confused security forces hunted the elusive killers, described as three or four young men who ran away, leaving the marines' bloodied bodies in Tanyong Limo village.
"They were brutally beaten to death with machetes and sticks, while their hands and legs were tied up, and they were gagged and blindfolded," Lieutenant General Kwanchart Klaharn, commander of the Fourth Army and director of the Southern Border Provinces Peace-building Command, told reporters. |
I'll say it again, it was not followers of Jesus Christ that executed the
Crusades, it was the followers of the Pope and his religion. Today, the
same is true - just the names have changed.
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aeroplane
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Brother Sham, but I refuse to discuss the true nature of this issue, which is torture, on a quasi-academic level. If what was done in the name of christianizing the world, and what is being done right now in this new crusade does not sicken you, then your soul has been bought and sold, my man.
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Brother Adam
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The point still stands that the majority of amerikkan people CLAIM to be christian. It matters not if they act like christians or Bush wouldn't be president. People around the world still see the picture on the surface....millions of self acclaimed christians crusading to take over the world. All done in the name of christianity by people who wield the bible as they trample the last slivers of human rights....
Are they true christians? NO.
Are they still viewed as christians? YES.
There is no escaping christianity's role in all of this. There is no escaping the fact that all throughout history man has waged war in the name of the bible, Jesus, and God. Whether they are your true christians or not is irrelevant. When they commit acts of treachary whilst wielding a bible, the pointing finger aims at christianity.
And, let us not bring up the angry, vengeful god of the old testament. Like it or not, that is part of the bible, and there's no hiding or ignoring it. You can't just base christianity on the good parts you pick out here and there....A lot of these crusades have been in direct relation to god's pleas to have people slain before him that didn't beleive or cast doubt.
They're not TRUE christians........pff
The old testament is not what christianity is about......pff
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Shamash
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry Brother Sham, but I refuse to discuss the true nature of this issue, which is torture, on a quasi-academic level. If what was done in the name of christianizing the world, and what is being done right now in this new crusade does not sicken you, then your soul has been bought and sold, my man. |
Is it a sign of a "soul that has been bought and sold" to want to seek truth?
There have been so many sweeping generalizations in this topic, is it wrong
to seek to decipher a person's true meaning and intent?
Regardless of whether I agree with an individual, a religion, a country,
basic honesty requires one give credit where credit is due. Even to
withhold information can manipulate peoples' affections and decisions.
By all means, let's talk about the horrors of torture in this present world.
But, is the intent to demonize Christianity alone?
Or will we be able to interject the horror of torture that occurs everyday
at the hands of other religions?
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Shamash
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| All done in the name of christianity by people who wield the bible as they trample the last slivers of human rights.... |
I wish I had time to expand this discussion...Liberty is relatively recent
experience for mankind. In ancient history, there was no thought of the
individual, no charity, no compassion. It was survival of the strongest.
The weak served the stronger. Death was a constant fear. It was a
dog-eat-dog world. The pagan view of man was to serve the State.
In Plato's Republic, the ideal state was one where the family was abolished.
If you believe that each person has an "unalienable right" to life, liberty
and the fruit of his or her own labors, then you share a Christian idea
of man. These ideas, and ideas about individual rights didn't come from
the secular world but through the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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| There is no escaping christianity's role in all of this. There is no escaping the fact that all throughout history man has waged war in the name of the bible, Jesus, and God. |
Granted. But there has been more war and killing done by those who
reject God - 100 million this century alone.
So, since both Christians (whether real or not) and non-christians have
killed and tortured, then you and I must definitely be included in one of
those two groups.
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The old testament is not what christianity is about......pff |
Where does this come from?
It seems strange that someone (a 21st century westerner with a gentile mentality) and who obviously disdains Christianity and Christians fervently
can claim to understand what a spiritual document written 2000 - 3500
years ago to Hebrews is saying or not saying. It's even odder that the
same person can then take on the semblances of Christianity with the title
of Reverend and join a ministry.
Hmmm...
I have one fear...that you, Rev Adam, will take my words with the wrong
intent. I have no bone to pick with you, nor do I seek to pick at you.
I hope you pause for a moment and see that my purpose is to bring people to examine their beliefs. If there are sure foundations
for those beliefs, then they will stand. If not, then is it not a good thing
to correct ourselves? Whether it is an airplane or a ship, there is a
full time navigator who has to adjust for winds and drift. Wisdom is found
this way.
At your service,
Shamash
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Torkel
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Shamash wrote:
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It's even odder that the
same person can then take on the semblances of Christianity with the title
of Reverend and join a ministry. |
What is odd about that? Just because Adam, me or any other thc-ministry minister has the title of "Reverend" DOES NOT or IS NOT understood to "take on the semblances of Christianity", in any way shape or form!
The Christian religion does not have an exclusive patent on the titles of "Reverend or minister". If a Christian wants to become a thc-ministry, minister then more power to them.
The thc-ministry is not synonymous with the term "Christian"...
at least not to me! 
Peace,
Torkel
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Ferre
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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The above goes for me too. 
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Brother Adam
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:53 am Post subject: |
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It seems strange that someone (a 21st century westerner with a gentile mentality) and who obviously disdains Christianity and Christians fervently
can claim to understand what a spiritual document written 2000 - 3500
years ago to Hebrews is saying or not saying. It's even odder that the
same person can then take on the semblances of Christianity with the title
of Reverend and join a ministry. |
Nothing odd about it.....if you actually knew something about me. As a child I was subject to the teachings of the christian faith. I was baptised at the age of 7. My family flirted with everything from Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist and many other sects of christianity. I was enlightened probably by the age of 10 that things were not what they seemed, and the truth was far from what I had been sold...My mother is an ordained minister as well and can pretty much tell you the whole bible story in Hebrew, she herself, is English. She runs her own ministry and is a well known authority in Christian teachings in her area.
What is so odd about the fact that I took an oath of faith to the doctrines prescribed by the Church that ordained me? Isn't that what all ministers do? Becoming ordained is not about being christian at all, as you can see. It is about choosing your path, and this is mine. It's also about defining yourself. I am a cannabis sacrament minister, and like any other minister, it is also part of my duty to spread the word that my faith is based upon. If you met me in person, you would soon find out it's true. I consider myself more a naturalist, some may say paganistic, shamanistic, or just plain mystic. I believe in spiritual energy and forces.....just not DEISM.
Leaving the rest of theology out of this post, are you now able to better understand how someone who is not a christian becomes an ordained minister and obtains the legal title of Reverend Adam? 
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aeroplane
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"In regards to religious discussions, I believe it is quite disappointing that we modern humans, who have achieved god-like status with our technologies, continue the myth that we need to believe in something like an emotionally unstable, carbon-based, lifeform that sits on a throne and expects us to bow to it.
Unless I'm out of my mind, isn't that what all the Abrahamic religions have taught us through brutal force over the ages? None of the three (christianity, islam, & judaism) is free of this charge. If we are to discuss how the Christians tortured the people inhabiting the land mass we now call Europe, how then can we forget that Mohamed, using brutal military force, crushed the Meccians into submission? Or what about the early Hebrews acts of genocide against the Caananites, who inhabited the land that we now know as Israel & Palestine? It was never just the christians, my friends!" |
That's how I interpret brother Shamash's words of wisedom. I believe Sham (name of endearment) isn't objecting to our arguments. Brother Sham just wants us all to expand upon what we've been discussing. It is we who have misinterpretted what brother Sham was suggesting, and instead imposed upon ourselves the need to argue in defence of that which we all believe. None of the three religions, claiming decendancy from Abraham, is innocent of torture and genocide. Isn't that right brother Sham?
As brother Sham has recently expressed to me in PM's: It is the fool who fools itself into believing that God, (for lack of a better word), could be limited to a word, or a mere idea that was spawned from the minds of humankind.
The only word in every language describes God is Love.
Isn't that right brother Sham?
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