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Ferre
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 Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: Study indicates marijuana discourages use of hard drugs. |
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Study of 4000 indicates marijuana discourages use of hard drugs.
http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/medicalmj08.htm
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A ground-breaking study of 4117 marijuana smokers in California1 reveals that the 'Gateway Theory' probably had it backwards. Instead of enticing young people to use other drugs, this study suggests that marijuana may have the opposite effect.
This first-ever clinical examination of a large number of medical marijuana applicants depicts a population that is remarkably normal. The percentages earning bachelors' degrees and doctorates are nearly identical to the national numbers. They are, in the main, productive citizens with jobs, homes and families who smoke marijuana weekly or daily – and have in some cases for decades.
For the vast majority of these applicants, their use of cannabis ultimately led to a decrease in the use of tobacco, alcohol, and hard drugs. Asked to compare their current alcohol consumption with their lifetime peak, over 10% claimed to be abstinent and nearly 90% claimed to have cut their drinking in half.
They also report using cannabis as self medication for stress and anxiety – with fewer side effects than the legal pharmaceutical alternatives.
As children, a significant percentage of the male applicants had been treated for ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder). Today their routine morning use of minimal amounts of cannabis strongly suggests that it enhances their ability to concentrate by allowing them to focus on one problem at a time.
As one construction company estimator said, "After two hits and my morning coffee, I'm the best estimator in the company." |
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David
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| A ground-breaking study of 4117 marijuana smokers in California |
Who done this study?
It means nothing if it was done outside the local supermarket.
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| this study suggests that marijuana may have the opposite effect. |
load of shit, either it does or doesn't. |
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viper
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Interesting stuff.
Send a copy to the Home Office.
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Ferre
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David, about the term; suggests, this is scientific (academic) language. Just as there's formal language for other professions, science too has its formal way of putting things into words.
When a research "suggests" a certain outcome this actually means that this is "most certain", but as long as it has not been peer reviewed science will only use the term suggests.
As soon as this research has been duplicated by 'peers' (independent scientists somewhere else) and comes up with the same results the term 'suggests' will then be replaced by more specifically concluding words, indeed like "research has found that marijuana has the opposite effect".
It's just waiting for peer review. 
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David
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| When a research "suggests" a certain outcome this actually means that this is "most certain", but as long as it has not been peer reviewed science will only use the term suggests. |
The reason behind my negativity Ferre is all of the medical journals and legal journals use such open ended words.
The paper that this one contradicts said "Cannabis has shown to be a gateway drug and could lead onto other more harder drugs. Now between the two papers I would agree with the latter, on a number of reasons.
1) Most people who smoke cannabis have an interest in mind altering substances.
2) In Britain (mainly) Cannabis and other drugs are so bad that once they are contaminated they are just as unhealthy as each other, coupled with the fact that very small numbers know what they are contaminated with, and if people are that naive then they are most likely to take other drugs.
3) Cannabis is very hard to obtain in Britain. therefore you have to be in the know as to say, not in the purity but in the illegal side, you need to know a criminal to get illegal substances. These criminals don't give a shit what they sell to you and will continue to try and sell harder drugs when that is all they have to sell, it's natural.
anyway you get the bull shit I'm writting.
I know that cannabis stops my craving for tobacco and alcohol, and that if I want harder drugs it's nothing to do with my use of cannabis. Even the manufactures of alcohol and tobacco know this, even the government know this.
BUT it doesn't stop the facts that the gateway theory works better for non drug users than the 'Study indicates marijuana discourages use of hard drugs.' I have been to my Doctors and when I told him I use cannabis he asked what other drugs I use, when I said none he said that that was very herd to believe as all the other cannabis users he knows use other drugs as well. Now do you think I went down on the list of sole cannabis users, or the cannabis users and possible other drugs list.
What I am trying to say is all these studies don't mean squat with maybe, could or should, unless they promoted by the government.
The AMCD report on cannabis opened my eyes this is the reply to their recommendations for Methylamphetamine.
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The Home Secretary has accepted the ACMD's recommendation to reclassify methylamphetamine to a Class A Drug. Methylamphetamine (commonly referred to as methamphetamine or by its street name of "crystal meth" or "ice") is a member of a broad class of psycho-stimulant compounds called amphetamines, which act on the central and peripheral nervous system.
Date: Mon Dec 19 11:26:52 GMT 2005 |
yet a report two years later is rejected because of what the Prime minister believes, that being Cannabis is lethal.
Nothing to do with Casey William Hardison who is serving 20 yrs for producing drugs less harmful than legal ones.
So yer, try sending the paper to the home office, but it will be a waste of time. This is an unjust law and it need everyone to stand for that right alone, let them prove their facts.
At the moment we have a leader that when told he lost the public 18 billion pounds he just laughs, then awarded statesmen of the year.
Jack Herer claims cannabis users live 2 yrs longer than non users , but as soon as he collapses with a heart condition, the public say "it can't be that good for you" The government have sown the seed and it's growing well.
They should forget the scientific talk and get down to facts, that is what the government use, take a look at FRANK, you'll see the head lines 'FACTS ABOUT CANNABIS'. Then a load of bullshit, but when they give unbiased information they get reprimanded.
FACTS, that would these reports need, it's a war we are meant to be fighting, not an honest debate. |
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David
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http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Prime_Minister_Gordon_Brown_answers_your_questions&in_article_id=742531&in_page_id=34
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10. Why; when the UK economy could do with all the tax revenue it can get, and when all the serious scientific studies including those conducted by the ACMD (which is the Government's own drug advisory body) have shown again and again that cannabis is less harmful both physically and socially than alcohol, is cannabis not only still illegal but still class B? Doesn't this discrepancy throw the whole drug classification system into disrepute? - Alex Wassall, London
PM: Cannabis is harmful and can in some cases lead to drug dependence – that is why I took the decision to keep it as a Class B illegal drug.
The use and supply of drugs, including cannabis, is also associated with crime and antisocial behaviour which blights the lives of individuals, families and communities.
And there is real concern about the potential mental health effects of cannabis use and, in particular, the use and availability of stronger forms of the drug. [b]Smoking cannabis can lead to lung disease and cancer too.[b] Of course, alcohol also poses health risks and can have antisocial effects, which is why the Government gets involved in many ways to prevent, minimise and deal with the consequences of the harms caused by drink. |
This is what I am talking about ferre. How can you deny a claim like 'can cause lung cancer' when a scientific report replies 'It might not' what are the public going to listen to. Then a complete lie, when has the government done anything to curb the harm caused by alcohol.
There are too many coulds, shoulds, and maybes. And I know the world isn't black and white, but making everywhere a grey area certainly isn't helping. |
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viper
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I get where your coming from David.
Its frustrating as hell isn't it ?
Your right though, it is a war. The Culture of Ignorance and Insanity v Intelligent Enlightenment.
The Ignorant and Insane swell in numbers unfortunately.
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A very one sided war!
I just can't believe the lies that are told and the hoodwinking.
Cannabis is lethal and alcohol is.........very good for you if you use the recommend amount, the abusers are being dealt with.
you hear about all the violence of alcohol, then one story of someone who SMOKED CANNABIS and abused other lethal drugs and it plastered all over the media.
And when a study is being carried out with facts, it is dumbed down to a could.
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| Its frustrating as hell isn't it ? |
No it's getting worse than that! |
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