Speech on religious cannabis use at MMM London.

**Ferre** · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 1:29 pm Post subject:

Well, every person can agree with you on this brother. Fact is that the majority, the ones who really 'in power and numbers' represent Xtians in General and are responcible for how Xtians are persceived are the bad ones.

The simple fact that Bush could have never been elected (even the second time, when the world knew what a lying murdering bastard he is!) without "Xtian support" is a very open and for everyone to see example of this.
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**Fyrefly1** · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject:

Ferre, who is definitely NOT a christian, acts much more christian-like than the false christians....

Most xtians I would put in the false christian category because they are hypocrits!
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Pepper · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject:

That's why he is known as Bishop Ferre by those who know him well. imslow

**Torkel** · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject:

Fyrefly1 wrote:

Don Quixote · Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject:

er is everybody on cocain or something?did i miss something?what the fuck are we all arguing about?arent we on the same side?
personaly i believe our only hope is international and european human rights law.
if anybody thinks the jumped-up fascist bunch of clowns running this country gives a fuck about your individual rights as a human being you are living in a fucking cloud coockoo land.i live in london and i have wasted 25 years of my life fighting for human rights in this shithole.THEY DONT GIVE A F##K ABOUT YOU.YOU DONT COUNT.
ONLY ONE THING COUNTS.INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS LAW.ARE YOU LISTENING?IT HAS PRECEDENT OVER NATIONAL LAW!GET IT.???
if anyone thinks this regime will give you the time of day without those laws let me tell you YOU ARE WRONG.
HEY SIBANAC.english law is the law of precedent.if you and your lawyer friend fuck this up , you will be f###ing it up for all of us.you wil have set a precedent which can be used against all religious cannabis use in this bannana republic FOR EVER.

i am tempted to ask you if you are employed by MI5 for just this purpose.after all they boast that they have penetrated every organisation in britain and destroyed them from within.

would it have been too much trouble to get all the UK people on this ministry together and work with Roger Christy on making a defence which was specific to people in europe?did you send him copies of european law?
do you not think it would carry more weight if we were all part of a single , global organisation devoted to the same goal?dont you think division and splits inside any organisation serve only to weaken anything they stand for.? if you really are english then you know what MI5 do to any organisation!!!like the miners union and all unions , animal rights activists , eco-protesters , civil liberties campaigners and anybody else that does not tow the party line.

they are infiltrated and destroyed from WITHIN!!!

dont you remember the head of MI5 boasting about that on national T.V.

i have a long history of battling with MI5 and have been warned by one of their police liason officers that it would be very easy to arrange my death by accident or unsolved murder or suicide.i was in a police cell when that happened.i was put in that cell by an informer who had infiltrated an Irish civil rights organisation i was part of.he informed them that i was a terrorist. (a lie)

so now i have to wonder sibanac and co.to whom do your loyalties really belong.???who's interest do you really serve???who the f##k are you working for ?because it aint me boy , i can tell you that.when you were here i dont remember you pm'ing me or any other uk people.why???.ok so i am paranoid!!!lets just wait and see what kind of precedent you set for us here in england.

Don Quixote · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:49 am Post subject:

oh yeah

and one more thing while i am venting my spleen on everybody.

on the subject of xstians and religion in general:-

1) if you think bush/b.liar or any other world leader has any kind of religious belief at all then you are clearly smoking too much crack.these people worship POWER.

2) these atheists will shout 'praise the lord' or anything else that gets them more POWER.they dont give a flying fuck about peoples beliefs , they only utilise peoples FALSE , hypocritical , halfassed beliefs to get more POWER.
if these people believed in any kind of GOD do you think they would vote for a mass murdering drunk like bush???or b.liar???

3) if you believe in any kind of religion at all then you would not dare to judge another human being for their religious beliefs becase YOU DID NOT CREATE THE EARTH OR EVERYTHING ON IT.IT DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU.SO WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO JUDGE.

i get wound up into a fury when i see people of one religion or another persecuting some bunch of people because GOD told them to.who the f##k are they kidding.

ONE THING YOU MUST ALL ADMIT - WE ALL CAME FROM THE SAME WELLSPRING.WE ARE ALL ONE.

and hey , i was baptised a catholic and look at the big pile o' gold they are sitting on!!two thirds of the world are starving to death.

look at the torture and mass murder these fools have inflicted on humanity.and like all false 'believers' they are hand in glove with the most evil , devil worshiping scum on earth - the banks , trade groups , corporations ,armies and governments we all know and hate.

phew!! thats better. right you can all tell me to begger off now.
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"One is Evil. It is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

Don Quixote · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:

PS....

that post above is not addressed to any one person or religion in particulare. no , actualy it was designed to offend everybody!! :-))

the Christian philosophies that i really believe in are :-

love God
love your neighbour

if i , or anyone else really believed that and LIVED by that there would be no hunger , ecological damage , war , violence , churches , poverty , racism , anti-gay marches , anti abortion marches , GM crops , money , land ownership , governments , genocide , rapists , pedophiles , people judging each other , etc ... etc ...

and we would be living in pristine forests and grasslands like we were supposed to (before some evil b###ard convinced us to f##k it all up!)

right NOW you can tell me to bugger off!
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One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, "My son, the battle is between 2 wolves."

"One is Evil. It is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

Don Quixote · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:11 pm Post subject:

sorry all
i know that all sounds like the ravings of a madman (who me?!!) but i really winds me up to see dishonest and plain evil people utilising any religion to persue their unjustifiable political agendas.

its a common disease that seems to be prevalent throughout this beautiful planet we all share.

as to sibanac , well i am sorry if i seem rude or paranoid but with respect you have done all cannabis sacrament users a great disservice.why could you not work with brother Roger and brother Ferre in producing documents specific to the UK.?do we even need specific documents for the UK?i do not think so.we need to insist our govt respects international law.not dance to whatever tune they are playing

i believe brother Rogers idea of producing documents that are relevant to ALL the people of the world is RIGHT.it is the only sensible way.any fool can see that.

i re-itterate my point about division.!who does it serve?without unity what chance have we of gaining worldwide respect for our beliefs?dont you think the people of the THC-Ministry are the best hope we have?is it not obvious!?

my own personal view is that the THC-MINISTRY documents , which deal with internationl law , are the ONLY sensible way to proceed.there is NO other way forward.we must all show each other respect and unity or we have no chance.

ANY division and conflict amongst cannabis sacrament users only sabotages the years of hard work , sacrifice , devotion and suffering that people like Brother Roger have undured on OUR behalf.dont you think he deserves our deepest respect for that?!?are people like him doing it for for fun?no they are doing it for US.!!!

show some RESPECT for crying out loud.

right i am off to howl at the moon now.rave over.

PEACE, RESPECT and UNITY.

**Brother Adam** · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject:

You know what, I like you, bugger or not, Don Quixote! Smile

Hear what the man said. I never saw this post, but I'm glad I finally did.

It's simple really: "United we stand, divided we fall..."

A once great nation was founded upon such beautiful words, but what happened?

What happened with this minstry that some people in Europe decided they needed their own, FREE documents for protection when we allready have thousands of members from all over the globe utilizing the protection of international law with the original sanctuary kit?

Why could you not work with Roger to incorporate even MORE power into the sanctuary kits, instead of creating your own kit containing a sliver of that power and backing?

Why has the issue of FREE versus donations even been brought up? Roger has given away more for FREE to members here, than I've ever seen him reap in donations. This is a fact, and we all know it.

Why, when this ministry has always been non-denominational, and has also undergone changes in it's structure to further ensure this, would you members split away to start something else? Yes, there are many x-tian references around here. We have members of that faith, and many others. There are buddhists, pagans, shamans, and many others.

To ignore those x-tian references in our fight for our liberties would only be foolish. We must show that almost EVERY religion has used cannabis throughout history, like them or not. The rest of the world needs to realise that this is not some select few with crazy ideas in their heads. They must understand that our beliefs are rooted in traditions mankind has carried with him for THOUSANDS of years.

I'm not christian in the slightest bit, but I do offer some credibility to the fact that their doctrine, the bible, includes references to cannabis in spirituality that are close to two thousand years old.

My point of view? I think money is the whole issue. Someone decided they were tired of Roger Christie asking a $200 donation for his sanctuary kit that was nothing more than words on paper, which are easily infringed upon. It's mere intellectual property that is easy to copy, forge, or re-word for one's own purposes. Heck, the sanctuary sign is on the website, one can simply print this out! Why should he get so much for his work? That question is moot for anyone that knows what Roger truely does in such a selfless manner every day of his life, period. Point frickin blank.

Quite frankly, I don't know who you guys are that did this, and I don't care. You would have never had any idea how to create any of what you have if it weren't for Roger's ingenuity. You owe everything to him, whether you wish to admit it or not. You fail to see the value in what Roger has done for the WORLD here. He didn't make the kit with just x-tians and Americans in mind. If it was missing something, you should have helped to add it.

Seems to me like someone said, "well, I can compile some information and then just give it away!" "I can make a sanctuary sign just as well as anyone" "Heck, I can make ID cards for FREE too!"

"We don't need to give this Roger guy our money. It's a scam. We'll make a way people can have it all for free.....we'll just use HIS idea!"

They can all tell me to "bugger off" now too! Hmmpf!
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Don Quixote · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:50 am Post subject:

well said rev.Adam

i bow to your elloquence brother.

i am glad you mentioned words like "intellectual property rights" and things like ripping peoples ideals off.

the test will come when it comes to backing up those documents.
brother Roger has already proved that he has the wit , knowledge , determination and 'cojones' to back up his ideals.does anyone expect him to pay for everthing out of his own pocket???no f###ing way!!!

is it 'value for money'.???spend a couple of days in a jail cell on your own waiting for the 'axe to fall' , with nothing to give you hope - you will know the answere.!!!i have been there. i know.!!!

sibannac · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 456

Ref:- The personal attack against my character
I'VE BEEN ARRESTED DENIED A FAIR TRIAL and am taking my GOVERNMENT TO COURT AT THE EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS for the CULTIVATION of CANNABIS.
Oh and the court case in the uk ended up at the royal court of appeal where if they so chose they could of increased the sentence to a maximum of 14 yrs in prison. After they first stripped my legal aid leaving me to argue with 3 high court judges alone, no legal representation at all.
I'm not just fighting on a religious front but a medical one what are you doing personaly then?
When were you last in court?
How are you helping the cause apart from slagging me off?
I've EARNT the RIGHT to be counted have you?

There are things going on in the UK that are way beyond you tbh, the medical side of the cannabis law needs my attention more atm, people are suffering and some are even looking at yrs in prison. But hey thats ok i'll turn my back on them shall i and go play nicely with you instead.........NOT.

Its easy to sit in front of a comp screen and rant get off yer ass and rant at your government not at me, i'm doing my bit as can be verified by respected members of these boards, but not in detail.
For obvious security issues that would effect others, apart from that i dont want anyone else to know my business especially people like you.

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