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 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:06 am Post subject: Smoke your way to a Healthier Heart? |
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Marijuana Chemical Fights Hardened Arteries
But Smoking Marijuana Isn't the Answer, Says Study
By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Wednesday, April 06, 2005
April 6, 2005 -- The active ingredient in marijuana that produces changes in brain messages appears to fight atherosclerosis -- a hardening of the arteries.
But puffing pot probably won't help. The findings, reported in the journal Nature, "should not be taken to mean that smoking marijuana is beneficial for the heart," says Michael Roth, MD, a professor of medicine at UCLA medical school.
It takes a very specific amount of THC -- marijuana's key chemical -- to help the arteries. That dose is too low to produce mood-altering effects in the brain, according to the new study.
"It would be difficult to achieve such specific concentrations in the blood by smoking marijuana," Roth explains in a Nature editorial.
Smoking Pot: Bad for the Heart?
Smoking marijuana can speed up the pulse and raise blood pressure (followed by a sudden fall upon standing or walking), Roth notes.
"These effects lower the exercise threshold for chest pain [angina], and are an independent risk factor for heart attack and stroke," he writes. Inhaling marijuana smoke can also impair oxygen delivery via the blood, says Roth.
The best way to take advantage of THC's artery-protecting effects may be by developing new prescription drugs "rather than using marijuana or oral THC as medicines," he writes.
Testing THC on Mice
The new study was conducted on mice, not people. First, mice went on an 11-week fatty diet designed to clog their arteries. For the last six weeks of the diet, some mice also got an orally administered low dose of THC along with the high-fat food.
Afterward, the mice who had received THC had fewer signs of atherosclerosis. None of those mice died during treatment or showed unhealthy behavior, says the study.
The results may be due to THC's anti-inflammatory properties, write the researchers, who included François Mach, MD, of the cardiology division at University Hospital in Geneva, Switzerland. Inflammation has been shown to be associated with the development of atherosclerosis.
Tracing THC's Effects
The researchers took a closer look at THC. They knew the chemical has two receptors, called CB1 (mainly found in the brain) and CB2 (mostly found outside the brain).
When they used another drug to block CB2 receptors in the mice, THC couldn't protect the animals' arteries. As for the CB1 receptors, the THC dose used in the study was too low to affect them, so no "high" was created.
The study and editorial appear in Nature's April 7 edition. |
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| When they used another drug to block CB2 receptors in the mice, THC couldn't protect the animals' arteries. As for the CB1 receptors, the THC dose used in the study was too low to affect them, so no "high" was created. |
damn poor mice, didn't evan get a buzz out of it!
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Really...f***ing reseachers pickin' on the poor vermin...
Hey RCG, where ya been? 
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Rev.Holden Greene
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i seiriously dont get why we have to reproduce this great medicine & take things away from it.
i mean if you dont want to smoke just cook & whats the big deal about the high.
i know 15 year olds munchin stacker 2"s in the day & tylonol pms at night & CHILDREN CAN LEAGALY BUY THEM.
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The Moose
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When I was first told about my high blood pressure, I refused to take the medicine they gave me. I successfully treated it with the herb. (And frequent visits to a very 'easy' woman I knew) That worked for about two years. I now take the pills they gave, because I moved to a new state and don't have any trusted contacts for herb. 
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Are you taking any supplements like Calcium/Magnesium, garlic, Vit C, Co Q10?
That's what I take...that plus acupuncture and mine's steady at 150/90...a little high but with some walking I'm getting it down.
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I would say that experimenting with other intakes, such as vap, cooking, skin massages with oil (am I forgetting something?) would make the potential benefits a REALITY.
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Unfortunately, my new fiancee and her children have been .... er - hermmmm - ah, ... shall we say ... lax in their ways concerning health, hygene, diet, and discipline while she has been a single mom for about nine years. Their patterns for household and body maintenance are firmly entrenched. They are slobs, eat a diet that has an extremely high glycemic load per meal, and go into screaming fits at anyone who even suggests that any other way of life is healthier. To make this brief, I have a hard time even buying anything nother than what they will eat. And what they will eat is just about everything that should be off my diet. When I eat anything that is healthy, they make barfing noises and insult me. I take my medicine, talk to my fiancee about teaching her children some manners and tolerance, and I will be taking up a new residence very soon. When, I take my next position, it will be possible to do things in a better way. Until then, I am stuck taking pills in an unhealthy, stress filled environment! 
OMG! I need some herb! 
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I am having a bad diet too lately. How can I have 5 portions of fruit and vegetables a day (govenment reccomantations) when I only eat three times a day (milk in the morning, sandwich at lunch and my only balanced meal is at dinner?).
Kudos to your girfriend, being a single mum is not easy, I am finding out myself. maybe you can introduce some changes, little by little.
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The Moose
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That's the plan. Her kids are now all adolescent and have been fatherless most of their lives. Thier real father is a worthless drunk. So, you can see why they don't know how to respect a father figure. I understand. But, I can't live with them the way they are now. I will will take my show out on my own, keep contact with the woman I love and give her time to get her kids ready for a father in the house. She and I both would love to get back into toking a bit. When I get my own place, I plan to build a greenhouse with a hidden hydro grow room and make some good hash. We'll get it all together. I'm sure.
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adolescent ouch! Just beginning to have a flavour of that with my oldest son. Many issues in your life I see...
A green house is a great idea by the way 
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| That's the plan. Her kids are now all adolescent and have been fatherless most of their lives. Thier real father is a worthless drunk. So, you can see why they don't know how to respect a father figure. I understand. But, I can't live with them the way they are now. I will will take my show out on my own, keep contact with the woman I love and give her time to get her kids ready for a father in the house. She and I both would love to get back into toking a bit. When I get my own place, I plan to build a greenhouse with a hidden hydro grow room and make some good hash. We'll get it all together. I'm sure. |
You might consider that it might be better for these kids if you act like a friend or an uncle instead of a father. Y'know, someone who's around to show them the ropes when they ask but only when they ask.
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:11 pm Post subject: Hemp seed = a healthy heart |
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Hello out there right where you are,
Aloha. Hempseed oil, hempseed butter, etc. is THE perfect food for a healthy heart!!!!!
Smoking anything, even sacrament, especially sacrament, might be partly healthy for our hearts, however, even the most gourmet cannabis smoke on the planet contains deadly poison gas in every puff - carbon monoxide. This news really bummed me out when I first realized it, but hey, fact is fact. Now I got it, all smoke contains carbon monoxide. Period. What to do to keep enjoying our sacrament? Easy!
Tincture, holy oil, vapor, etc. I probably smoke about one-third of what I used to and I'm just fine about it. Don't miss a thing, but the cough. (By the way, since cutting back on smoke and eliminating coffee from my life the dark circles under my eyes are almost totally gone.)
Back to hemp seeds. One of, if not THE best highs on Earth is feeling really healthy. Being able to appreciate the moment fully. To breath-in the fresh air, to enjoy the sights, sounds, smells and feelings right at hand. In my opinion, hempseed helps, possibly more than any single 'thing', to be optimally healthy.
I'm willing to bet that even most of the enlightened members here don't eat hempseeds, yet, or take hempseed oil daily. The focus is obviously on getting the best buds into the pipe and puffing away! In my opinion, that's just one piece of the cannabis pie, but far from the whole pie. There's so much more to enjoy about our favorite herb! It wants to give us super health, too.
Want a really healthy heart? Eat your hempseeds and throw your heart and blood pressure medications away for good! Really.
www.nutiva.com
www.ruthshempfoods.com
www.hempoilcan.com
Radiant, supreme, optimal health to you and yours!
Love, Roger
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The Moose
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| You might consider that it might be better for these kids if you act like a friend or an uncle instead of a father. Y'know, someone who's around to show them the ropes when they ask but only when they ask. |
I have rasied my own kids before this and have some patterns of behavior pretty ingrained. Besides, these kids were were cursing at her and knoking holes in the walls and threatening to do worse if she did not comply with their demands. I stand up to them and they hate it. I protect my fiancee. I can't help it, I was raised that way. But, now I am at a point where I wil let her do it all by herself until she has civilized them enough to live with others not of their own little tribe. Truth of it is this, when I spend my money for personal lodging - it will be comfortable for ME as well as OTHERS. Her children need to learn this , ..... and manners, ......and respect. And not to call their mother a whore!
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| You might consider that it might be better for these kids if you act like a friend or an uncle instead of a father. Y'know, someone who's around to show them the ropes when they ask but only when they ask. |
I have rasied my own kids before this and have some patterns of behavior pretty ingrained. Besides, these kids were were cursing at her and knoking holes in the walls and threatening to do worse if she did not comply with their demands. I stand up to them and they hate it. I protect my fiancee. I can't help it, I was raised that way. But, now I am at a point where I wil let her do it all by herself until she has civilized them enough to live with others not of their own little tribe. Truth of it is this, when I spend my money for personal lodging - it will be comfortable for ME as well as OTHERS. Her children need to learn this , ..... and manners, ......and respect. And not to call their mother a whore! |
Yeah, sorry brother....
These are not normal kids! Sounds like they have been severely jaded very early in their lives....
Sounds like yer doing the right thing. They're past the kids stage. Treating them like adults, ie...letting them reap what they sow w/o bailing them out will probably do more good...
And, you definitely have to protect their mother...might be the best example too!
Good luck brother...
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