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Stokes Cannabis Sacrament Minister


Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 1426 Location: PA
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Even with my not being native English I sense a little sarcasm towards me and specially my intentions in some of the past posts of yours and now again.
Where I come from we are more straight to the subject bro, and we also see through this sort of attitude. Did I offend you personally in any way in the past brother? Or maybe I better put it more clear; What's your problem with me? It's clear you have a few issues.  |
I also come from a place where we are straight to the point. That's why I've had no choice but to play it like it's being dealt to me. It's frustrating isn't it? Thank you for finally stepping up ... does this mean that you will finally reply to a PM that I send you? I'm sure you agree that a private dicussion would be more appropriate. It's 4:30 am in PA, we can talk later today. _________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Where love is, there God is also.
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Ferre Cannabis Sacrament Minister.


Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 7295 Location: Amsterdam
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Oops, I might have missed your PM brother, I'm sorry for that but can not recall it, I get tons of PM's and mostly I reply to all of them, it does happen that Pm's get deleted sometimes from my PM box because I have the same space as anyone else for my PM box and it's full all the time and I'm sorry if my not responding has caused irritation, it has not been done on purpose at all.
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Fyrefly1 Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Next time that happens, Stokes why don't you PM one of the mods and ask them to tell Ferre to contact you....? _________________ Fyrefly1
"All truth passes through three stages: first it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third it is accepted as self-evident."
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Stokes Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Joe,
Thank you for the helpful suggestion, Ferre has given me a way to contact him without using the PM system so this should no longer be a problem.
Ferre,
There's no need for us to square-off in cyberspace. If I had any real problem with you I would not hesitate to share it with you if I thought it would mean anything, so let's just try to remember that our goals are essentially the same.
Promote cannabis liberation and our ministry, and point out any kind of hypocrisy wherever we see it. One simple way I've learned to gain a better understanding of any situation is to put the shoe on the other foot, so to speak.
Try to imagine for a moment ... that an American is the webmaster of a global ministry that you are a member of and many people from your nation are being arrested and persecuted for cannabis in the Netherlands, at the same time cannabis is being tolerated in America for the most part.
Would you allow yourself to be expected to join in the relentless degradation of the Netherlands under any circumstances? I seriously doubt that you would.
Without belaboring the issue, I hope this helps to make my feelings (as an American) more understandable and acceptable to you.
Let's work together,
Stokes _________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Where love is, there God is also.
-Mahatma Gandhi
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Ferre Cannabis Sacrament Minister.


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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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It's a little different brother, let's put it this way, If the Netherlands was invading countries to get control of their resources, declaring war on it's own people (me too, in that case) and would start to become as fascist police state as America is at present times I would be the first to speak out against my own government. IN fact, if you go trough my posts you will find very little sympathy and many critical messages from me towards my own government.
Human Rights Violations are always wrong and the fact that the USA is making itself unpopular is something you better discuss with your political representatives instead of with me, I DO NOT MAKE THE NEWS brother, THE USA PEOPLE'S REPRESENTATIVES "MAKE" THE NEWS, I only report it.
I do understand it is not nice for American people to be confronted with the bad stuff about their representation in the world but I can't make it look any better, I'm sorry but it's as bad as it looks and again, this view is "forced" upon the world as well, America is viewed as it wants to be viewed by its administration...
Be with us...or else!
That doesn't make any government popular does it? Maybe it's an idea to tell your congressman that you are getting fed up from all the bad news they'r are responcible for? _________________ █ Please read the Board Rules and Posting, and you
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Stokes Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Ferre wrote: |
| Maybe it's an idea to tell your congressman that you are getting fed up from all the bad news they'r are responcible for? |
I have a large pile of return letters filled with bullshit from my government representatives and I spend very much time communicating my oppostion to what my government does, it's not a new idea as you present it.
Your willingness to hold all Americans responsible for the actions of so very few only points out your inability for compassion and understanding on a human level. Many of us here continue to attempt to reach out to you for some understanding and you continually reply with coldness and inflexability.
Since you've asked - this is my problem with you, brother.
With all of your knowledge and ability you lack one of the most basic and essential of human traits ... compassion. It's something that many of us here value in a person. I'm afraid you really are not capable of 'putting the shoe on the other foot', and it hurts me to see that because I believe that you are truly a good person. _________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ferre Cannabis Sacrament Minister.


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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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You're right, I do miss "political compassion", not to confuse with Human compassion. If I had not that, I would not spend ALL my time, money and energy for the general cause. _________________ █ Please read the Board Rules and Posting, and you
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Stokes Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Ferre wrote: |
| ... spend ALL my time, money and energy for the general cause. |
And for this you have my compassion, understanding, and respect.
'Political compassion' is a figment of your imagination ... in fact, the two words have absolutely nothing to do with one another. _________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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aeroplane Cannabis Sacrament Minister


Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 1472 Location: Valhalla
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: |
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US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, on a visit here Wednesday, expressed concern about Venezuela's decision to buy 100,000 AK-47 rifles from
Russia.
"Certainly, I'm concerned. I can't imagine what's going to happen to 100,000 AK-47s. I can't imagine why Venezuela needs 100,000 AK-47s |
I was thinking it was to defend against a potential star wars missile attack. But then I read this:
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| According to a senior Pentagon official, "it may be a lot more than a 100,000 ... up to 300,000." |
Could these be AK47's of mass destruction??? I suggest we send in at least 3 soldiers for each potential AK47 of mass destruction. And while we're at it, let's build the biggest US military base in South America.
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I AM NOT ANTI AMERICAN
To make this clear. |
I would just like to point out that sounds like something Rummy or Bush would say, "Let me make this perfectly clear." Or something like that. Are you feeling like yourself, Ferre? Or maybe Ferre isn't himself anymore.  _________________ "Penalties against the possession of a drug
should not be more damaging to the individual
than the drug itself."
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Ferre Cannabis Sacrament Minister.


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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: |
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I'm very much myself brother, thanks.  _________________ █ Please read the Board Rules and Posting, and you
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Mystic Power admin THC-Ministry YahooGroup


Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 3605 Location: Key West
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Bro Stokes...
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| Your willingness to hold all Americans responsible... |
Actually, I've never interpreted any of Ferre's comments to be that.
He understands that Americans are, basically, the victims of a coup.
When int'l folks say "American" they are talking about the government... or, at least that's my experience.
Your mileage may vary.
Bliss,
Ben _________________ "We are the Ones we have been waiting for."
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"In Lak'ech"
~ Ancient Mayan: "I am another YOU." ~ |
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aeroplane Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Brother MP wrote:
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When int'l folks say "American" they are talking about the government... or, at least that's my experience.
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That, and the whole born-yet-again christian cult...
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| I'm very much myself brother, thanks. |
Right on, brotha.
As for me and my house, we do not believe in nationalism. _________________ "Penalties against the possession of a drug
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Mystic Power admin THC-Ministry YahooGroup


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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| That, and the whole born-yet-again christian cult... |
They keep getting born again, yet never seem to get it right.
Bliss
Ben _________________ "We are the Ones we have been waiting for."
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Stokes Cannabis Sacrament Minister


Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 1426 Location: PA
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| Mystic Power wrote: |
Hi Bro Stokes...
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| Your willingness to hold all Americans responsible... |
Actually, I've never interpreted any of Ferre's comments to be that.
He understands that Americans are, basically, the victims of a coup.
Bliss,
Ben |
coup (ku), n., pl coups (kuz). 1) a sudden brilliant action; unexpected, clever move; master stoke.
Hi Ben,
I'm just getting back from Easter dinner with the family, and after looking around both of the THC sites I'm still a bit dumbfounded by the goings on.
Regarding your support for Ferre. I'm sure he's honored to have someone that feels responsible for explaining what he does or doesn't understand, but I seriously doubt that he would want to consider anything about Bush and his administration's policies to be unexpected, brilliant, or even clever ... I know I don't.
Thank you anyway for attempting to make me look bad though, maybe Joe has a better idea.
Happy Easter
Stokes _________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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