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rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:31 PM:
"Hey-Figured-it-Out, Identify yourself to reporter covering this story, you sir, opened the door to a solution ... Lets go to Europe!!! I'm contacting authorities, Dear Scientists, Being a mental health professional for the last fifteen years, I now have an important insight to remedy the violence troubles in America"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:32 PM:
"So simple the best minds just overlooked it I bet. I diagnosed the root of the trouble of violence. Please join me in the march to a Nobel Peace Prize for this amazingly simple but most important observation as the solution to a escalating safety problem."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:32 PM:
"Violenceism ( i.e.-Alcoholism) is a form of addiction to endorphin release, like all other addictions. Plenty studies will point to the thing that get people their first taste of violence and then further studies will show how the escalating demands of an addiction are met in violent behaviors."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:33 PM:
"Just use any current accepted form of addiction treatment and understanding and then just substitute violence and violenceism as addiction as the primary substance of abuse and behavior diagnosisable for the DSM manuel criteria to be meet and person then treated."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:33 PM:
"Adults and kids both suffer when violence and serving the need for that endorphin release is answered. A kid can be emancipated as minor to full adult status - this procedure will help the older teens manage their condition on their own as outpatient"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:34 PM:
"in group or independent living situation. So my friends, its a great day for man kind. Contact me to follow up on this approach and soon we all will be living a more predictable life in an all to uncertain world. Sincerely, Curtis Thatcher /& Slash Ampersand"





Increased number of fights on Big Island campuses a 'serious concern'

by Bret Yager
Tribune-Herald Staff Writer


Editor's note: This is the first installment in a three-day series of articles examining the rising violence in Hawaii Island schools.

The Big Island is facing a crisis of escalating school violence.

According to educational and fiscal accountability reports mandated by federal law, 26 out of 39 Hawaii Island schools saw increases in violence in 2005, the latest year that statistics are available.

Kids say there have been plenty of fights, and parents are fed up. School administrators are trying to curb the problem with new programs, and the state Board of Education is asking how it can help in that effort.

Nevertheless, Big Island kids mostly say they feel safe going to school every day.

At Hilo High School, violent incident citations more than doubled from 2003-04 to 2004-05, from eight to 21 incidents per 1,000 kids. At Kalanianaole Elementary and Intermediate, which had 372 students in 2005, violent incidents went from three to a whopping 48 per 1,000 kids. Konawaena High had 50, up from 20. Waiakea High and Waiakea Intermediate also saw notable increases in violence, along with schools in the Pahoa, Keaau, Kealakehe, Honokaa and Ka'u complexes.

"In the beginning, there were two scraps a day," Waiakea High senior Kiku Toledo told the Tribune-Herald recently. "I got suspended the first day. It's all about talk."

"We had (Lt. Gov.) Duke Aiona on campus speaking about respect. After that, we had two girls fighting right in front of the doors after the assembly," said Waiakea High junior Tyneski Quintel. "I saw one girl grab another and shove her against the curb. It was pretty bad. I thought it was so disrespectful how the girls did that right after we went through the whole thing."

School administrators and Board of Education members agree the problem is on the uptick and must be addressed. Some even say the numbers may not reflect the scope of the problem, since many incidents go unreported.

"We don't know why it's rising," said Herbert Watanabe, BOE vice chairman and ad hoc safety committee member who represents the Big Island. "There has been a lot of fighting, stink eye, gang fights and incidents. It's a very serious concern. In some cases, state law may need to be changed to allow us to do some things."

Watanabe called for better communication and cooperation between schools, law enforcement and prosecutors.

"We need to get help from whoever we can to address this," he said.

BOE member Darwin Ching, chairman of the ad hoc safety committee, is writing a report on school violence following meetings with parents, administrators, police and prosecutors. Board ombudsman Beth McKeen is recommending stiff new sanctions and intervention for kids who seriously injure other students. The board will soon decide if changes need to be made to Chapter 19 of state administrative rules governing school violence reporting, student misconduct and discipline.

If the board pursues rule changes, public hearings will be held to give parents and anyone else the chance to weigh in before the revisions go to the governor to be signed into law.

"The process could take six months to a year," Watanabe said. "Hopefully we can get it done sooner."

FIGHTS MOSTLY AMONG NINTH-GRADERS

Big Island school administrators say the violence here is mostly classic stuff: kids using their fists to sort things out.

They're also using MySpace.com -- a wildly popular Web site that invites youth to create their own home pages -- to escalate cycles of violence. Kids post nasty messages about each other, or use cell phone cameras to take pictures of fights and upload them onto MySpace. Other kids see the postings and go looking for trouble. That helped Hilo High administrators decide to ban cell phones on campus recently.

The majority of fights at Hilo High are in the lower grade levels, a trend that holds true across schools as younger kids battle for a place in their new environment.

"The fighting is more prevalent among ninth-graders who don't know how to deal with their problems," Hilo High Principal Robert Dircks said. "Maturity levels have a lot to do with it. Fighting is almost zero among seniors, who have a lot more to lose with graduation coming, are starting to enter the workplace and take college classes, and have better role models."

Hilo High 10th-graders James Yoshimoto and Karl Ancheta stay out of trouble by going to the school library. By the time they hear about a fight and get there, it's over, said Yoshimoto.

Usually there's at least a fight a day, Yoshimoto said. It doesn't always get better as the year goes on and students adjust; sometimes it gets worse. Ancheta agreed.

"The patio, parking lots, there's a lot of fighting there," Yoshimoto said. "Boyfriend, girlfriend stuff, people talking trash about each other."

Dircks stressed that Hilo High doesn't have a gang problem. He said the school also doesn't have large problems with violence compared to other Big Island schools or the rest of the nation. Ask the kids and they'll tell you they generally feel safe, he said.

But he agrees that violence is indeed on the rise. The school has tracked about a dozen fist fights and a case of assault since July.

"I've let my administration and security know we need to keep an eye on it," Dircks said.

He thinks the cell phone ban has helped kids get back to talking out their problems with each other instead of escaping to cyberspace.

"Kids are talking instead of sitting in a corner on their cell phone," he said. "Communication has increased greatly."

A lot of kids polled at Hilo High agree that 2005-06 was a problem year and that things have gotten better since then.

"Last year was real bad. We had 10 fights a week, lots of trouble with Waiakea boys," said 10th-grader Mia Pola.

Despite violence, Hilo and Waiakea High students say they generally feel safe at school.

"I know there's a lot of fights, but it's fairly stupid stuff, mostly the freshmen. I think there's a couple of problem kids, that's about it," said a Hilo High student who wished to identified simply as Kamalie.

Konawaena High saw violent incidents increase from 20 per 1,000 in 2004 to 50 per 1,000 in 2005 -- mostly scraps generated by rumors, "cyberbullying," or incidents that started off-campus and continued on to school.

Escalating violence caught the school by surprise, one parent says. Now, Konawaena is reaching out to incoming freshman with a new peer education program, where a group of trained students teach anti-bully techniques to classmates.

"We're trying to target freshmen so they know what high school is all about," said Konawaena Spanish teacher and School Community Council chairwoman Lydia Woerner, who noted that most of the incidents are played out by a limited group of repeat offenders. "Some kids come in from the intermediate level; it's a real shock and they act out."

In other parts of the state, the 8,206-student Farrington Complex on Oahu had five violence citations per 1,000 kids, down from eight in 2003-04; the 6,636-student Roosevelt Complex had 10 violations per 1,000, down from 13 the previous year. That's lower than some Big Island schools, but Farrington recently experienced a flare-up in gang activity, where violence in late September damaged the eyesight of one youth and led to charges against several others.

The statewide average for Hawaii secondary schools was 14 violence citations per 1,000 students in 2005, down from 15 the year before. Average elementary school violence was up to three incidents from two.

SOME SCHOOLS RESPOND

Hilo High is cutting its teeth on a new anti-bullying program funded by the Hilo High Foundation. The program brings ninth-, 10th- and 11th-graders to the table to sort out their problems.

Staff is teaching kids about accepting differences and working to catch angry youth before the rage boils over, calling them in and mediating, trying to "squash it at the outset," Dircks said.

"We just rolled the program out. It hasn't been implemented to the point we would like," he said.

While violence reports for 2004-05 were up at Big Island schools as a whole, some individual schools were down, including Laupahoehoe, Honaunau, Kohala High, Kaumana Elementary and Ka'u High.

At Kohala High, administrators say a tight community, peer review and mentorship help keep violence down. Keaau Middle has responded to violence reports by opening gym doors and keeping kids busy with sports during lunch breaks.

Waiakea and Honokaa elementary schools were recently awarded $38,000 each in federal matching grants to start a year-long program to reduce bullying. But that kind of money will be harder to come by in the future.

Federal funding to combat violence and substance abuse in schools declined from $439 million in 2001 to $346 million this year, with the Bush administration pushing to cut the program altogether and the Office of Budget and Management rating the program as ineffective.

HOW ACCURATE ARE -THE NUMBERS?

Patricia Nekoba, the principal of Waiakea High, offers a critical perspective on the statistics in trend reports, saying the numbers reflect a change in reporting procedures. She wonders aloud if the media are hyping the problem.

"I don't think the violence level has changed, it's just being reported differently," she said. "The data is being used in ways that generate people's excitement."

As far as tackling the issues that do exist, school staff has addressed bullying, but society as a whole needs to be involved, Nekoba said. Parents must be informed and schools need more support with greater numbers of counselors and other staff, she said. That includes board support with funding, stronger policy and assistance across agencies.

"If the board is saying violence is increasing, it's because they're looking at that data. But the data needs to be scrutinized," she said.

Other Hawaii education officials have said there were changes in reporting procedures several years ago, and unrecorded or lost data from three to four years ago may have skewed the numbers.

BOE critics have their own concerns about schools underreporting incidents to avoid image problems.

Skeptics of school violence reports in general say the statistics are unreliable because there are no uniform standards for defining violence, making it hard to compare violence not just across states but even among schools.

On the Internet: School accountability, http://arch.k12.hi.us

Bret Yager can be reached at byager@hawaiitribune-herald.com.

Innagadadavida wrote on October 30, 2006 11:48 PM:
"Beamer, did you just out yourself? Oh, and where are you getting those buds?"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:34 PM:
"in group or independent living situation. So my friends, its a great day for man kind. Contact me to follow up on this approach and soon we all will be living a more predictable life in an all to uncertain world. Sincerely, Curtis Thatcher /& Slash Ampersand"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:33 PM:
"Adults and kids both suffer when violence and serving the need for that endorphin release is answered. A kid can be emancipated as minor to full adult status - this procedure will help the older teens manage their condition on their own as outpatient"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:33 PM:
"Just use any current accepted form of addiction treatment and understanding and then just substitute violence and violenceism as addiction as the primary substance of abuse and behavior diagnosisable for the DSM manuel criteria to be meet and person then treated."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:32 PM:
"Violenceism ( i.e.-Alcoholism) is a form of addiction to endorphin release, like all other addictions. Plenty studies will point to the thing that get people their first taste of violence and then further studies will show how the escalating demands of an addiction are met in violent behaviors."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:32 PM:
"So simple the best minds just overlooked it I bet. I diagnosed the root of the trouble of violence. Please join me in the march to a Nobel Peace Prize for this amazingly simple but most important observation as the solution to a escalating safety problem."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:31 PM:
"Hey-Figured-it-Out, Identify yourself to reporter covering this story, you sir, opened the door to a solution ... Lets go to Europe!!! I'm contacting authorities, Dear Scientists, Being a mental health professional for the last fifteen years, I now have an important insight to remedy the violence troubles in America"

Oaklander wrote on October 30, 2006 5:25 PM:
"Oakland has had a problem with their public school system for 30-40 years. Now it is in the top ten most violent cities in the nation. These kids will soon be out of school and in your neighborhood."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 3:03 PM:
"greater high on violence' > Addiction-to-a-form-of-endorphin-realease that needs-by-the-laws-of-addiction to be fed-steadily and increasingly - Emancipate the youth and pay 'em crazy pay ... it's a start. Who got 'em hooked ??? Weed-is-BIG-remedy, like methadone. Guitar-lessons-by-me-simple-technique-also-gets-good-endorphin-release-result you can too. NOW !!!""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:42 AM:
""Bryon U. of Zerox-Honolulu fame went Hydra, a firehydrant for that Satan rising ... send him letters and donations !!!!""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:34 AM:
"Just in: Answer - http://www.theregulators.com/bio.shtml SONG by Regulators - Money Pride and Greed, hears on http://www.bellyup4blues.com/"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:32 AM:
"If your final and defacto ethic is just beat it out of 'em. No wait for police calls, clouded personal protection restraint - implyed justice. Arm everyone, retore second ammendment and shoot it out fairly cowpokes"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:32 AM:
"Stop-the-competition-drills-already. Janice, tell-us-what-it's-like to be 'da best. How you reguard the rest average then, now - low esteem and worse pay, only. Cooperation-is-the-ticket. Equal-but-different-divine. A full one eighty turn in social expressions. When is "kill-haloe-day" - Good day for suicide attempt !!!! Want peace, cooperate, no brainer !!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:31 AM:
"Here-action, come-here-girl, 'wistle, wistle', here-action, common-action, action-come-here-girl. Darn-dead-dog. Dead dog is YOU, violence comes out from within. Supressing violence from without is violence. Better drive by !!! Leave system out and you in-br responcipble YOURSELF or ..."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 8:34 AM:
"Lot of REAL BLAME comes in the form of invasive media through examples in advertising, music, movies (Saw III) and inciting riots type media personalities and examples from our gun carrying persecutors of the first degree PIGS!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 8:24 AM:
"Fighting back breaks nails and is a gift from the offended to give you chance to straighten out on own. Me personally, I'm an annilator. Ever hear of drive bys ????"

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 2:36 AM:
"Best thing my mom ever did for me was to put me in Karate class. I went on to learn more martial arts. I was confident that I could handle an attack. Learning to fight made me respect fighting."

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 2:34 AM:
"Give all the kids lessons in fighting. Have boxing ring. Teach grappling. Teach Aikido. There will be much less fighting and more respect. Kids must learn how to defend themselves. Teaches confidence."

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 2:31 AM:
"Isn't this how we all grew up? Maybe it was better when all students crammed into Hilo Int and Hilo High. Makes sense rival vs. Waikea. When I was a kid we called someone out and everyone met after school. People-forget-how-violent-America-is-vs-the-rest-of-the-world. Do-a-search-on-lynching-good-thing-we-have-sports-and-TV-to-entertain-us."

Hilo High clas of 82" wrote on October 30, 2006 1:42 AM:
"Hilo High has always had fights and gangs. The kids take pride in hanging at there "corner".Same stuff every year. The haole is almost always the victim.If you fight back the punks stop picking on you.Stand up for your self."

S. Higa wrote on October 29, 2006 8:34 PM:
"'Issues' You and this paper are preaching to the choir. Everyone knows the public school system in the US is a shambles. The TRIB should be putting light on the people that have the power to make changes, loco government. This>story>could>have>ran>any>day>in>the>last>century>.Its>not>news."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 8:32 PM:
"Hey Dawn, I-like-to-agree, only-thing is, I hear 'em smiling-and-singing alright, "We Gonna Take'em to the Heiau, YEAH!; He Gonna Sing Out - Hey 'Ow, YEAH; We Gonna Take'em to the heiau, YEAH; He Gonna Sing Out -Noooooowwwwww!!!! Shame to use so many good vowels in such an old scary custom."

Dawn wrote on October 29, 2006 8:11 PM:
"A picture is worth a thousand words: notice that the students are smiling (not posing/posturing for the camera), and a couple of the young men are shaking hands. For the majority of students at Hilo High, this is the norm. Ironic--and offensive--that the headline is so misleading!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 7:47 PM:
""Lambchop" - imposter, we can tell, its the innocent I'm protecting !!!! Like the consistency of constructions though."

someone wrote on October 29, 2006 7:20 PM:
"i know arthur cox. if you read the eyewitness part. he was a good friend."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 7:11 PM:
"Striking lambchops seal a burrowing laminate. Sense is lost on gerbels. The true path is littered with my spam."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 5:02 PM:
"Want peace, proooooooove it. Christen and be christend. http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=christen . Anything else is conflict. See http://pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-3775.html .Protect yourselfs with the truth."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 4:02 PM:
"home/street work for Hilo and surrounding aeras .. chant, in pidgeon if necessary, I LUV U, to all you see, pop quizs at any time."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 3:07 PM:
"Yes, from beyond first, Make yourself familiar with the angels, and behold them frequently in spirit; for without being seen, they are present with you -- St. Francis de Sales. EARTHQUAKE IS YOUR WARNING MUDEROUS LOT "

wkama wrote on October 29, 2006 2:47 PM:
"To rainbowbeamer. Are you from another planet? I can't understand what you are trying to say."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 2:27 PM:
""I-ran-to-get-to-the-kid, yelling-to-those-kids-that-they-should-be-ashamed of themselves.GO GOOD SAM, WISH YOU SHOT THOSE FREAKS, IT A START. WHAT DO YOU CALL ONE THOUSAND LAWYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA - A GOOD START. RESCUE AND PRISIONEERS FOR NOW."

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 2:23 PM:
"How about bully gets 24 hours solitary...increases with number of incidents. Parent cleans highway. No?"

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 2:17 PM:
"Discipline that is."

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 2:15 PM:
"The sheer number of these kids is growing exponentially"

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 2:13 PM:
"Having resources available for kids to occupy themselves in a positive way is lacking too....Taking money from the "greed" "capitalism" culture and putting it to work in "higher thought" ways. Doubt it."

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 2:10 PM:
"I don't have an answer. It seems someone in the life of troubled youth needs to wield disapline; its lacking critically in our society. Bad parents are committing a gruesome crime."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 2:08 PM:
"Go concerned parent - jewed out of that beauty over money service."

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 2:07 PM:
"Handing bad baggage down the line like this will put us in an "Escape From New York" environment in the near future. Abusive, disfunctional people teach their kids their talents. Recipe for disaster."

Concerned Parent wrote on October 29, 2006 2:05 PM:
"Violence happens when you cut all the things out of the school environment where kids can express themselves in other ways: arts, music, and sports. Bring back the extracurricular activities and I bet a lot of this stuff will go away"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 1:51 PM:
"The system takes kids out and away from home and parental controls (love). Processed mass-of-humanINSANEity, then, changed like burnt light bulbs into sockets of a jew/hit-down-system just leaving fighting and destruction for money. All-trying-cutthroat-to-be-the-best-and-only-best. Violence-is-first-period, implied when-you-get-that ticket on-way to "school""

Issues wrote on October 29, 2006 1:33 PM:
"Stop making kids if they can't control them.Parents need to get involved with there kids not look the other way.I hear alot of ,"no no my child," or blame other kids for there childs faults,they need to look at themselves first then get help asap before it escalates."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 1:27 PM:
"Idea !!! Issues, out of the box and into the mind-excellent. Defacto the reverse of the currently practised Hegelian system first from Massachussetes to Hawaii later. "No place like home, no place like home"."

Accountability wrote on October 29, 2006 1:27 PM:
"Holding the parents accountable for their children and their actions may serve as a deterrent. Where do these kids learn to solve their problems by using intimidation and violence...the home of course!"

Issues wrote on October 29, 2006 1:26 PM:
"I know for a fact that parents(not all) uses school to make excuse for a childs behavior and as a babysitter.Alot of them don't sit down and discuss the issues in school with there child and when they get into trouble they condone it,beat them up or throw them out."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 1:24 PM:
"Here is the root right Janice? http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=Hegelian http://m-w.com/dictionary/Hegel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegel#Left_and_Right_Hegelianism http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&lr=&cof=L%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.disinfo.com%2Fimages%2Fconstant%2FdevilGirl.gif%3BLH%3A73%3BLW%3A73%3BLBGC%3A%23333333%3BGL%3A1%3BBGC%3A%23333333%3BT%3A%23cccccc%3BLC%3A%23ffffcc%3BVLC%3A%23ffffcc%3BALC%3A%23ffffcc%3BGALT%3A%23666666%3BGFNT%3A%23666666%3BGIMP%3A%23666666%3BDIV%3A%23ffffcc%3BAH%3Acenter%3B&domains=disinfo.com&q=Hegel&btnG=Search&sitesearch=disinfo.com"

Issues wrote on October 29, 2006 1:21 PM:
"We need more alternatives for education.How about an experiment.Lets say for every child who cause violence in school gets to stay home and the parents by order of the court gets to homeschool there child for a period of 6 months depending on the severity of the violence. "

Issues wrote on October 29, 2006 1:15 PM:
"Violence in schools is a severe issue.The overcrowding and lack of faculty concern is a big issue.Once your tagged as a fighter they won't listen to you if you become the victim.I know this through experience and it does not matter what color you are,but your grade point average does."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 1:12 PM:
"That guy look like a gorilla. Remember I'm hear to less make a point. I'm here to pick at points to open the treasure chest of illuminated principle and practice. He is called the principble - see, double speak. The-system-is-the-trouble-sold-as-solution."

Issues wrote on October 29, 2006 1:08 PM:
"Maybe we need to go back to the old days and seperate boys from girls in school.Humilate them and make them stand on the main streets with signs saying I got into a fight over a boy or girl,"I like to bully the the week the wierd and the poor."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 1:04 PM:
"Penalty is the front door to violence. All equal, home-and-food is a right. Pursue-happiness-with-alls-help, partying-is-as-privledge, but really a right. Only ME-and-you-can-be-nice-to-each-other, I'll try. Otherwise use 2nd ammendment right and SHOOTS 'Em all that would take your gun and everything else AWAY(Tax,theif,weather). "

Get a grip wrote on October 29, 2006 1:03 PM:
"To S.Higa: Do we need to hear this crap? Yes. Otherwise these kids - and people like you - think that fighting is an acceptable way of settling ANY differences. Kids and families that have to deal with school violence won't forget after 11:00pm."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 12:58 PM:
"60s-70s-80s - peaced out stoner rebs, almost. Before 40s-50s drunken gang riots and now 90s-20s, sober, politically correct, nuke nursers to people hearsers. PEACE! > 'O' ship !!!"

Issues wrote on October 29, 2006 12:58 PM:
"Stiffer punishments for students using the internet to create violent situations.Stiffer penalties in school.Make parents be responsible for there minors actions.Theres always going to be violence.Parents need to see the bad in there kids not only the good.No one is as inocent as they appear to be."

Issues wrote on October 29, 2006 12:51 PM:
"It starts at home.Where are the parents when the kids are on the internet.It not only happens at schools,but at sports events to!Parents and coaches(not all)condone violence.They'll argue and even get physicaly violent on the fields in front the kids,so the kids think it's alright to be violent."

S. Higa wrote on October 29, 2006 12:49 PM:
"~~Yawn~~~~~~~~~~boring lameass story. This is no suprise to anybody, do we need to hear this crap? Would rather hear about corruption in our local government, then things haveachance of getting accomplished. Everyone will forget about schoolviolence after 11:00pm tonight."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 12:49 PM:
"He who shoots last shoots loudest - SHOOTS BRAH! See Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, Air Force officer ticket head and tax head. Yep - how's the govermnent going to find, offer, instill, provide peace and protection. From experience???"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 12:42 PM:
"Really, what a surprise. Is it the authorities bulling students with this drug test or jail threat if not register to go to die in war of profit or that fee and applications approval or students raging for freedom from no-low-pay work. Next ????"

ME wrote on October 29, 2006 12:26 PM:
"YOU KNOW WHY THE SCHOOLS ARE LIKE THAT THESE DAYS? TAKE A GUESS! IT'S HOW THEY ARE RAISED.............BACK IN MY DAYS IT WAS NEVER LIKE THAT.(BACK IN THE 70'S & 8O'S....NOWADAYS THESE KIDS PARENTS EITHER IS ON DRUGS OR LET THEIR KIDS WALK ALL OVER THEM."HOW SAD"."







Parents, officials call for action

Monday, October 30, 2006 9:36 AM HST



Rally is heard to curb school violence

by Bret Yager
Tribune-Herald Staff Writer


Editor's note: This is the second installment in a three-day series of articles examining the rising violence in Hawaii Island schools.

Parents worried about escalating school violence are calling for two measures that may appear deceptively simple: more community involvement and better communication. Communication not just between parents and educators, but between parents and kids.

A lot of students would rather put up with the bullying and strife than call their parents into the situation.

"I have one daughter in school. I have to peel information out of her," said Debbie Hedemann, who makes a point of staying involved at Konawaena High School, where school violence reports more than doubled from 2004 to 2005.

"Talking with other parents, they had no idea there was any violence at all at school this past year," Hedemann said. "Kids don't tell you anything; you never know the truth of the matter."

A Board of Education committee on school safety has been voicing similar concerns at a different level, calling for better communication and collaboration among the tiers of authority within schools and at the State Department of Education, plus more information-sharing between agencies like the schools, police and courts, better reporting of incidents and a shared, centralized database where violent incidents are recorded and tracked.

Some are calling for an overhaul of Chapter 19, the state administrative rules governing violence, discipline and misconduct in schools.

Parents who complain about a sluggish school bureaucracy hope it's more than lip service.

No one is saying school violence will be an easy nut to crack.

Beth McKeen, the BOE ombudsman who deals regularly with individual schools and complaints from parents, is trying to piece together the puzzle of cause and effect.

She's recommending longer suspension times for kids who cause serious injuries, better reporting of incidents, stronger backing of teachers, and policy-level language defining what administrators must do in an investigation of misconduct.

"When someone reports a violent incident, then the question arises, does the system handle it well?" McKeen said. "The board is trying to answer that question to help enhance a non-violent atmosphere."

Everyone agrees that more attention needs to be paid to youths. The details are trickier. Intervention services for high-risk kids are in short supply. Parents are busy. Vice principals and teachers on the front lines have their hands full.

"Our society has gotten so busy, we've forgotten what's really important; you can't ask a school to raise a child," said Hedemann, a member of the Konawaena School Community Council, which brings parents, administrators and teachers to the same table to hash out concerns. "You can ask for a safe environment, but that's getting harder and harder.

"It's so time-consuming at the vice principal's office to get a resolution. It's hard to make your energy fruitful, so people stay away."

School violence problems aren't just here on the Big Isle. Sydney Rosen, founder and CEO of the Oahu-based youth intervention program Adult Friends For Youth, has dealt with more than two dozen youth gangs since 1996. He says plenty of lip service is given to making kids a priority, but that kids are put on the back burner until they start acting out.

"Youth gangs are exploding on Oahu," he said.

School staff people know who the violence-prone kids are, but don't have support services available to which they can refer them, said Rosen. There also seems to be a disconnect between schools and the community. Violent kids may get expelled but continue to hold their status off campus, in effect shifting the problem elsewhere. Youth services to address such kids are next to non-existent in Hawaii, he says.

"The problem is that nothing is being done. We don't spend the money to solve the problem," he said. "It's economically to everyone's advantage if we can turn these kids around and employ them rather than put them in jail. Don't condemn them prematurely. That's what's happening."

U.S. Attorney for Hawaii Edward Kubo said he's noticed a slide in respect, self-esteem and tolerance among high school students. He is calling for more mentorship programs, school safety managers and drug counselors. Kubo told BOE committee members he'd like to see a centrally-located "clearinghouse" where school violence problems are documented and shared.

OMBUDSMAN RECOMMENDS CHANGES

When a teacher experiences a recurrent problem with a student, the matter usually ends up at the principal's office. Vice principals who deal with student conduct every day find themselves being judges over what happened between student and teacher. McKeen is recommending that teachers be given more credibility in such conflicts in schools across the state.

McKeen recently made the following statements in a memo to the BOE:

"One very astute (in my opinion) teacher remarked to me that the teacher writes a referral to the administration. Then, when the student talks to the administration, there is another version exonerating the student. At this point the referral morphs from being a report and request for discipline into a teacher versus student face-off with the administrator being the referee who decides who will 'win' the credibility contest. Does the board want to have Chapter 19 give the presumption of accurate reporting to the teacher unless there is substantial and unbiased witness account to the contrary?"

McKeen is also recommending that the board encourage accurate reporting of violence so that a clearer picture emerges of the situations at specific schools. This would include making sure serious offenses aren't minimized.

"I have heard from several complainants that some school administrators 'demote' offenses that would rise to Class A, B or - in an effort to avoid giving a longer than 10-day suspension for two purposes: a longer-than-10-day suspension allows the parent to appeal and 2) a Class A, B or - offense 'makes the school look bad' and affects the administrator's performance evaluation. Both are disincentives to accurate assessment and reporting of offenses," McKeen wrote.

According to one complaint received at the ombudsman's office, a violent student seriously injured another youth and received a 10-day suspension. The perpetrator then returned to school but the victim stayed away, afraid to return.

McKeen is now recommending a 92-day suspension with intervention afterwards when a serious assault ends in injury.

She is also calling for a policy-level definition of investigations, including the terms "informal investigation" and "preliminary investigation," saying that reports indicate administrators interpret the meanings in a variety of ways.

While Chapter 19 contains definitions of harassment, McKeen recommends that definitions of bullying also be added. She says it could help highlight the board's intent to put a stop to aggressive behavior and also remove excuses that bullying students make for their actions.

On the Internet: School violence prevention, http://www.preventviolencehawaii.org/school.htm

Bret Yager can be reached a byager@hawaiitribune-herald.com.

Students speak up on violence

Here's what Hilo High and Waiakea High students are saying about their schools:

"People talk too much s--t. Just certain ones. In the beginning, there were three or four fights a day. It's just drama. It's immature talk, people listen. The only way to solve it is fighting. I don't know why the only way to get them to shut up is scrapping."

- Ailina Thomas, -Waiakea High

"Too much fighting, gossiping, ratting out other people, dope-dealing, graffiti."

- Sylvia, Waiakea High

"It's gotten a lot better recently." -

- Heather, -Waiakea High

"They don't learn because they keep coming back for more, punks walking around, talking stupid to the wrong people. They get lickins."

- Waiakea High -senior Rico Rapoza

"It's gotten better since Intermediate. There was more fighting at Intermediate."

- Hilo High freshman Jaslynne Patnaude-Antonio

"Lots of girl fights this year."

- Waiakea High -sophomore Andrew Pino

"Too much rumor-saying."

- Makaio, -Waiakea High

"Not as much fighting as before."

- Hilo High freshman Lorriann Iyo

"Kids fight in the parking lot. There's only been one since school started."

- Hilo High freshman -Britney Unoki

"We have fights everyone once in a while. There were only a couple this year. As for bullying, someone calling you a stupid haole. (In the lower grade levels) it sucked. There used to be fights between locals and nonlocals. Now everyone smokes pot together; it's more peaceful now."

- Hilo High senior -Travis Branco

"Our freshman year there were a lot of fights, especially between seniors. It seems to be going down. Younger kids normally fight most."

- Hilo High senior -Ariana Bassett

"We don't hang out where kids get in trouble. We don't really travel. By the time you're seniors, it's pretty mellow."

- Hilo High senior -Sofia Perez

"I came from Oahu. It's much more mellow over there. Kids take advantage of what they have here. Mostly girls that are trying to be bad are doing the fighting."

- Waiakea High junior Tyneski Quintel



Moses wrote on October 30, 2006 11:50 PM:
"How about 'No teacher left behind'?"

? wrote on October 30, 2006 11:49 PM:
"No child left behind?"

Who's side is Bush on? wrote on October 30, 2006 11:47 PM:
"If Jesus came back on Friday, he wouldn't support bush policy. He wouldn't hang out or endorse the pope and he would condem anyone living by the bible to hell. So why did you vote for him?"

To vote for bush wrote on October 30, 2006 10:01 PM:
"not the issue. But you cant vote for Bush he already beat the "dum"ocrats twice."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 9:11 PM:
"in group or independent living situation. So my friends, its a great day for man kind. Contact me to follow up on this approach and soon we all will be living a more predictable life in an all to uncertain world. Sincerely, Curtis Thatcher"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 9:10 PM:
"Adults and kids both suffer when violence and serving the need for that endorphin release is answered. A kid can be emancipated as minor to full adult status - this procedure will help the older teens manage their condition on their own as outpatient"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 9:10 PM:
"Just use any current accepted form of addiction treatment and understanding and then just substitute violence and violenceism as addiction as the primary substance of abuse and behavior diagnosisable for the DSM manuel criteria to be meet and person then treated."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 9:09 PM:
"Violenceism ( i.e.-Alcoholism) is a form of addiction to endorphin release, like all other addictions. Plenty studies will point to the thing that get people their first taste of violence and then further studies will show how the escalating demands of an addiction are met in violent behaviors. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 9:08 PM:
"So simple the best minds just overlooked it I bet. I diagnosed the root of the trouble of violence. Please join me in the march to a Nobel Peace Prize for this amazingly simple but most important observation as the solution to a escalating safety problem."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 9:07 PM:
"Hey-Figured-it-Out, Identify yourself to reporter covering this story, you sir, opened the door to a solution ... Lets go to Europe!!! I'm contacting authorities, Dear Scientists, Being a mental health professional for the last fifteen years, I now have an important insight to remedy the violence troubles in America."

Voted for BUSH wrote on October 30, 2006 7:32 PM:
"We need to foster MORE school violence. The GOP needs recruits to fight the war so oil cos can reap. Gays-in-the-military-aren't-working. Violent video games, TV, UFC, its all part of the plan to foster a fighting youth."

Aloha ke Akua wrote on October 30, 2006 6:54 PM:
"... for parents as well as the students with anger problems."

Aloha ke Akua wrote on October 30, 2006 6:52 PM:
"Accountabiltiy's suggestion of mandatory ATV classes is a good idea."

Papi wrote on October 30, 2006 3:10 PM:
"It's a sad afair if we lose our youth to violence. We have enough of that on the mainland. We have to strive for better here. They are our future."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 3:02 PM:
""greater high on violence' > Addiction-to-a-form-of-endorphin-realease that needs-by-the-laws-of-addiction to be fed-steadily and increasingly - Emancipate the youth and pay 'em crazy pay ... it's a start. Who got 'em hooked ??? Weed-is-BIG-remedy, like methadone. Guitar-lessons-by-me-simple-technique-also-gets-good-endorphin-release-result you can too. NOW !!!"

zero tolerance wrote on October 30, 2006 2:25 PM:
"The blame for all is with the parents - the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree! - schools should expel students who fight - law should prosecute to the full extent - then parents will be accountable!"

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 1:38 PM:
"It's sad when students experience a greater high on violence than on the worth and value of education. Everybody needs to share the load on this one or our community will have to suffer the consequences."

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 1:35 PM:
"A lot of student fights end up with consequences of anger management-ATV, does it help, not enough. Need greater consequences and more education. It may have happened in the schools, but it's still a community's problem. Face it, some parents are helpless and useless."

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 1:31 PM:
"Young drivers are dying recklessly or seriously injured-You don't close the raceway parks. At the drags. they can educate drivers. Commercial fighting events shouldn't be held responsible too, but needs to create education opportunities. "

School security wrote on October 30, 2006 1:29 PM:
"Where is security during the fights? "

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 1:28 PM:
"Look at what happened at Sunday's(10/22/06)riot at Banyan Drive. From what I hear, the violence is commonplace. How are we going to curb violence in our schools if we can't curb it on the streets."

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 1:25 PM:
"It's not only the students that are fighting, it the whole spectator mentality that helps fuel the situation. Other students feed the flames, no one extinguishes it. It's a reflection of one of the scourges on society."

class of 82 wrote on October 30, 2006 1:14 PM:
"If the punks play sports,1st fight sit out one game,2nd half season 3rd offence ban from sports."

wkama wrote on October 30, 2006 12:43 PM:
"Rainbowbeamer, please print a code book so we can interpret what you're trying to say. (I still think you're from another planet)."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:43 AM:
""Bryon U. of Zerox-Honolulu fame went Hydra, a firehydrant for that Satan rising ... send him letters and donations !!!!""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:31 AM:
"Just in: Answer - http://www.theregulators.com/bio.shtml SONG by Regulators - Money Pride and Greed, hears on http://www.bellyup4blues.com/"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:58 AM:
"Know our salvation in Christ ... Toto - St. George And The Dragon Lyrics: Can-you-tell-me-where-I-might-find-the-Hydra, Is-he-wearing-a-familiar-face, Does-he-still-live-below-Seventh-Avenue, With-the-princess-dipped-in-lace, Does he-know-that, I'm-a-soldier-of-fortune, And-not-a-victim-of-circumstance, We-drew-lots-for-his-soft-underbelly, Now-his-fate-is-sealed-with-my-lance, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye You've-never-seen-the-man-with-nothing-to-say, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You'd-better-watch-yourself-St.-George-is-on-his-way, Is-it-true-that-he's-a-mighty-warrior, And-a-viper-of-the-first-degree, I've-been-sentenced-here-to-slay-the-giant, Geld-this-fear-I-cannot-see, Can-you-tell-me-where-I-might-find-the-Hydra, Is-he-wearing-a-familiar-face, Does-he-still-live-below-Seventh-Avenue, In-the-slums-of-Satan's-grace, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You've-never-seen-the-man-with-nothing-to-say, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You'd-better-watch-yourself-St.-George-is-on-his-way, YOU A HYDRA YET ????? "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:45 AM:
"Kids-mingled-on-the-front-lawn-of-Hilo-Intermediate School after classes recently. Yeah, just like sharks circling, 'da chum(p)s. Parents these are your-kids-at-risk-from-their-peers, because-system-sets-them-up-with-mind-set. And laughs all the way to persectors bank. All your tax dollars wasted and a kid once in a while also wasted - disabled ones."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:21 AM:
"If your final and defacto ethic is just beat it out of 'em. No wait for police calls, clouded personal protection restraint - implyed justice. Arm everyone, retore second ammendment and shoot it out fairly cowpokes."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:06 AM:
"Stop-the-competition-drills-already. Janice, tell-us-what-it's-like to be 'da best. How you reguard the rest average then, now - low esteem and worse pay, only. Cooperation-is-the-ticket. Equal-but-different-divine. A full one eighty turn in social expressions. When is "kill-haloe-day" - Good day for suicide attempt !!!! Want peace, cooperate, no brainer !!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 9:54 AM:
"Here-action, come-here-girl, 'wistle, wistle', here-action, common-action, action-come-here-girl. Darn-dead-dog. Dead dog is YOU, violence comes out from within. Supressing violence from without is violence. Better drive by !!! Leave system out and you in-br responcipble YOURSELF or ..."

Accountability wrote on October 30, 2006 9:52 AM:
"Why don't we hold the parents accountable for the bullies and and their behavior. Intimidation and aggression begins in the home... mandatory ATV classes for both parents and bullies!"





Focus On Student Assault

Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:56 AM HST



Eyewitness account of school violence

by Bret Yager
Tribune-Herald Staff Writer


From everything Margaret Sevilla can tell, the attack was unprovoked.

When two boys swooped down on their learning-disabled victim outside Hilo Intermediate School on a recent weekday afternoon, she figures they were picking an easy target, showing off for a group of girls standing nearby.

Sevilla watched in horror as the attackers threw roundhouse kicks at the youth's face, ribs and stomach.

The girls giggled, unsure what to do. Someone honked while driving by. Sevilla ran through traffic to the victim, who was doubled over, bruised, with blood coming from his nose.

"He was kicked in the ribs, face and stomach. No one did anything about it," she says. "I ran to get to the kid, yelling to those kids that they should be ashamed of themselves. I got a hold of the kid to make sure he didn't go out into traffic. I asked 'are you OK,' and he said, 'I want to go home.' Finally another mom said she'd go chase down those boys."

Two 13-year-old males were arrested the next morning and charged with third-degree assault against 12-year-old Arthur Cox. Hilo Intermediate Principal Elaine Christian says she cannot comment except to say the incident is in the hands of the police.

Sevilla, a parent of sons ages 14 and 17, says she's angry -- no, horrified by what she witnessed.

"I'm insulted this could go on in the neighborhood and nobody cared," she says. "There was nothing out of anybody as far as empathy from the people standing around.

"It's not even a big thing. It's an everyday occurrence over there. It's just horrible. It was so uncalled for."

Meri McPherson, Cox's mother, is just as angry as Sevilla, for the same reasons.

"These boys just jumped my son, for no apparent reason," she says. "That they had the audacity to do it without any second thought, in front of their classmates and the school. They think they are free to do it."

She believes the same two students accosted her son in the Hilo Intermediate hallway two days earlier, telling Cox to stop following them.

"The boys started kicking my son," she says of the hallway confrontation. "The school called to say my son had been beaten up and asked my permission to take him to the hospital."

Her son's ribs and stomach are sore from the latest attack, she says. The youth copes with mental disabilities and has anger management issues that she worries will worsen now as she prepares to take him to a psychiatrist.

"He's the kind of person who holds things inside. Now I have another thing I have to watch out for," she says.

Sevilla describes her house as the one kids go to when their own parents aren't home. She interacts with a lot of them and hears the stories.

"After football games, kids go out in groups to fight," she says. "Kids have nothing to do, so they pick at each other until there's a fight. I'm so upset that no one has a handle on it. No one has a way to rein these kids in."

McPherson says she knows other parents who feel the same way.

"People are so tired of it," she says.


pa wrote on October 30, 2006 6:40 PM:
"Principal will whitewash this. She will try to convince parents and administration she is actively addressing problems and boy she can talk. But this shouldn't have happened if she was doing her job. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 3:03 PM:
"greater high on violence' > Addiction-to-a-form-of-endorphin-realease that needs-by-the-laws-of-addiction to be fed-steadily and increasingly - Emancipate the youth and pay 'em crazy pay ... it's a start. Who got 'em hooked ??? Weed-is-BIG-remedy, like methadone. Guitar-lessons-by-me-simple-technique-also-gets-good-endorphin-release-result you can too. NOW !!!""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:42 AM:
""Bryon U. of Zerox-Honolulu fame went Hydra, a firehydrant for that Satan rising ... send him letters and donations !!!!""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:39 AM:
"Know our salvation in Christ ... Toto - St. George And The Dragon Lyrics: Can-you-tell-me-where-I-might-find-the-Hydra, Is-he-wearing-a-familiar-face, Does-he-still-live-below-Seventh-Avenue, With-the-princess-dipped-in-lace, Does he-know-that, I'm-a-soldier-of-fortune, And-not-a-victim-of-circumstance, We-drew-lots-for-his-soft-underbelly, Now-his-fate-is-sealed-with-my-lance, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You've-never-seen-the-man-with-nothing-to-say, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You'd-better-watch-yourself, St.-George-is-on-his-way, Is-it-true-that-he's-a-mighty-warrior, And-a-viper-of-the-first-degree, I've-been-sentenced-here-to-slay-the-giant, Geld-this-fear-I-cannot-see, Can-you-tell-me-where-I-might-find-the-Hydra, Is-he-wearing-a-familiar-face, Does-he-still-live-below-Seventh-Avenue, In-the-slums-of-Satan's-grace, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You've-never-seen-the-man-with-nothing-to-say, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You'd-better-watch-yourself-St.-George-is-on-his-way, YOU A HYDRA YET ????? rAMEN"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:33 AM:
"Just in: Answer - http://www.theregulators.com/bio.shtml SONG by Regulators - Money Pride and Greed, hears on http://www.bellyup4blues.com/"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:31 AM:
"If your final and defacto ethic is just beat it out of 'em. No wait for police calls, clouded personal protection restraint - implyed justice. Arm everyone, retore second ammendment and shoot it out fairly cowpokes"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:30 AM:
"Stop-the-competition-drills-already. Janice, tell-us-what-it's-like to be 'da best. How you reguard the rest average then, now - low esteem and worse pay, only. Cooperation-is-the-ticket. Equal-but-different-divine. A full one eighty turn in social expressions. When is "kill-haloe-day" - Good day for suicide attempt !!!! Want peace, cooperate, no brainer !!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:30 AM:
"Here-action, come-here-girl, 'wistle, wistle', here-action, common-action, action-come-here-girl. Darn-dead-dog. Dead dog is YOU, violence comes out from within. Supressing violence from without is violence. Better drive by !!! Leave system out and you in-br responcipble YOURSELF or ..."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 8:33 AM:
"Lot of REAL BLAME comes in the form of invasive media through examples in advertising, music, movies (Saw III) and inciting riots type media personalities and examples from our gun carrying persecutors of the first degree PIGS!!! "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 8:27 AM:
""Fighting back breaks nails and is a gift from the offended to give you chance to straighten out on own. Me personally, I'm an annilator. Ever hear of drive bys ????""

parents wrote on October 30, 2006 5:13 AM:
"My daughter's father abandoned her. He was forced to pay child support for his own child and he makes 80,000 plus working w/an electric co in Hilo. He won't provide medical. But no excuse for me to raise her to be loving and kind. NO EXCUSES PARENTS."

Kona wrote on October 30, 2006 5:08 AM:
"Dont make excuses but take full responsibility of your child. 13 years old children almost beating an innocent child to death. You must be embarrased..I sure would be but I'm a good parent my children are kind and loving to all. Love you own children."

Kona wrote on October 30, 2006 5:06 AM:
"Many of our children are so rude and they don't the know the true meaning of punishment, too spoiled our children. Parent's fault..Don't blame no one but yourself for raising such undisciplined children..Now it time for parents to be involved. Take care Arthur."

mudo1970 wrote on October 30, 2006 3:45 AM:
"Those girls giggling on the sidelines should also be charged with assault!!!!!!!!"

mudo1970 wrote on October 30, 2006 3:40 AM:
" Who knows what innocent person 10 years from now will be the victim of a hainous crime commited by those thugs?........ make them pay and show NO MERCY!!! otherwise some innocent person will be assaulted by them in the future."

mudo1970 wrote on October 30, 2006 3:40 AM:
"An eye for an eye............... put those thugs in juvenile detention facility until proven they have been rehabilitated , charge thier parents with assault and give them the appropriate sentence................ if not those thugs will be future criminals in Hilo."

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 3:29 AM:
"To the parents of the attacked child. Take the parents of the other kids to court and deal with this for monetary damages. Then you can enroll your son in St'Joseph's or somewhere else he can actually go to school."

Cracker wrote on October 29, 2006 8:45 PM:
"Was it "Kill Haole Day" at school?"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 7:48 PM:
""Spam, spam" Green Legs and Spam !!! Imposter"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 7:23 PM:
"Spam I am. Spam, spam, spam. I am spam. Spam in the morning, spam at night. I speak true spam. I am rainbowspammer."

Fed-Up wrote on October 29, 2006 7:12 PM:
"10 to 1, they don't go to court for a year and get off with a wrist slap. Weall know it is learned behavior. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 5:04 PM:
"Want peace, proooooooove it. Christen and be christend. http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=christen . Anything else is conflict. See http://pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-3775.html .Protect yourselfs with the truth."

Roy Y. Kawamoto wrote on October 29, 2006 4:12 PM:
"Those in authority should punish the apparent hoodlums as far as legally possible!!!! Roy Y. Kawamoto, Attorney at Law, Honolulu, 1955 graduate of Hilo High School."

rainbowbeamerTHE wrote on October 29, 2006 4:02 PM:
"home/street work for Hilo and surrounding aeras .. chant, in pidgeon if necessary, I LUV U, to all you see, pop quizs at any time."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 3:07 PM:
"Yes, from beyond first, Make yourself familiar with the angels, and behold them frequently in spirit; for without being seen, they are present with you -- St. Francis de Sales. EARTHQUAKE IS YOUR WARNING MUDEROUS LOT"

E wrote on October 29, 2006 2:47 PM:
"It's the Lord of the Flies. Disgusting behavior. I can only hope the book is thrown at all involved. The kids, the parents of the little beasts, the teachers and administrators of the school they go to. Sick."

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 2:44 PM:
"Clean up the situation here and don't worry about the mainland."

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 2:43 PM:
"Hate to tell you that the violence in Big I schools is way more prevalent then most of the schools on the mainland"

Deanna Aiko wrote on October 29, 2006 2:40 PM:
"Well there is only one place these kids leaed this behaver from...THERE PARENTS or the lack there of!!!!! Sounds like the big Island is coming like the Mainland....SHAME ON U ISLAD FOLKS!!!!Wake up and stop smoking crack!!!! keep Hawaii Real!!! Care for others as if they were ur own!!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 2:32 PM:
"""I-ran-to-get-to-the-kid, yelling-to-those-kids-that-they-should-be-ashamed of themselves.GO GOOD SAM, WISH YOU SHOT THOSE FREAKS, IT A START. WHAT DO YOU CALL ONE THOUSAND LAWYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA - A GOOD START. RESCUE AND PRISIONEERS FOR NOW.""

rainbowbeamerTHE wrote on October 29, 2006 2:24 PM:
"i'm insulted this could go on in the neighborhood and nobody cared," she says. "There was nothing out of anybody as far as empathy from the people standing around. - NOT EVEN GOOD FOR FERTILIZER THESE FOLK - ALL POSION. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 2:22 PM:
"Hilo Intermediate Principal Elaine Christian says she cannot comment except to say the incident is in the hands of the police. a WALK THROUGH cHILD mENTAL-THEN DOPEED BY WITCH DOCOTORS AND EVEN CRAZYSIER KIDS OUT THE OTHER SIDE"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 2:18 PM:
"THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS OUR DANGER AND ALL THE EFFECTIVE MEASURES NEEDED TO RETURN SAFETY TO THE PEOPLE !!!! BY GOD, THE TRUE GOD OF THE SERMOND OF THE MOUNDS... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermon_on_the_Mount"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 2:16 PM:
"KNOW"

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"ATTACKED"

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"THE"

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"WE"

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"UNTIL"

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"ON"

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"SIGNAL"

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"WARNING"

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"DEFENSE"

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"CIVIL"

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"TURN"

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"BE"

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"POWERS"

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"THE"

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"I"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 2:12 PM:
""After football games, kids go out in groups to fight". Makes no sense to me, I'm missing a quality of life not wanting to fight, right? "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 2:11 PM:
"All the question are in the paper all over for a week. What answers work? I'm cool until self defense come up. Then its blame the victam."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 2:06 PM:
"A jew/hit-down-system where only the 3-5 % needed for succesful revolution, the "authorities" our "protectors" have the guns !!!!!! This is-the-vibes that see a-HANDICAPPED-hurt - Darwinism? - More Ignorence/Lazy apes. Medicalmen charge all day and give shortage on $300,000 pay days. Abuse-is-thy-name-God'sManFirst."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 1:59 PM:
"I WANT A SOLUTION NOW. A HANDICAPPED, NEVER HAVE I SEEN A BETTER DESIGN TO RUIN ANY AMBITION ONE WILL EVER HAVE THEN LIFE - IT SUCKS, LIFE SUCKS, UNTIL YOU LIVE GRACE NOT MACE."

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 1:58 PM:
"People should have to pass a test before they propagate."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 1:57 PM:
"See the lack of a spirit of protection in this article. Kids were mean to fatty here in elementary school, big enough to fight back though. MAN AM I CONCERNED HERE. Adult Mental and Child mental abisers also. Its all that comes and goes around."

EdenRoc wrote on October 29, 2006 1:56 PM:
"The inbred bully's PARENTS need jail time."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 1:44 PM:
""From everything Margaret Sevilla can tell, the attack was unprovoked." The infection for such a article's tack ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability http://www.ex-cogitata.blogspot.com/ http://tip.psychology.org/festinge.html Hope your fine-no excuse EVER!!!"

Anna wrote on October 29, 2006 1:27 PM:
"Parents are "suppose" to guide their children to become law abiding adults. In this case, I think the authorities should look at the parent too. They SHOULD be accountable. Too many kids are raising themselves these days."

xyz wrote on October 29, 2006 1:14 PM:
"Cause a hardship on parents? Too bad. Their undisciplined kids are causing a hardship. Am I not showing 'aloha?' WHat about these punks not showing 'aloha.' 'Aloha' is no substitute for accountability."

xyz wrote on October 29, 2006 1:11 PM:
"Fine the parents, arrest the little b*st*ards and put them to work; hard work cleaning streets, public toilets, parks for six months every day after school. NO time off for 'good' behavior. Kids don't show? Make parents do it."







Councilman Higa involved in altercation

Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:32 AM HST




by Betsy Tranquilli
Stephens Media


Police are investigating County Council Chairman Stacy Higa for allegedly harassing a man at Sunday's fundraiser for Kona Community Hospital.

It is the second time this year Higa has been accused of harassment.

Police confirmed they have initiated a criminal complaint identifying a council member as a suspect, although they would not identify the individual because no charges have been filed. Police said at about 5 p.m. Sunday, Kona patrol officers filed the complaint on behalf of a 54-year-old man alleging that he was threatened by a council member while at Pualani Estates Park earlier that day.

Higa confirmed to Stephens Media that he was involved in an altercation with Kailua-Kona resident Matthew Binder, an account also confirmed by Binder, and several others at the fundraiser for earthquake damage to Kona Community Hospital, organized and sponsored by the Friends of Virginia Isbell. Binder confirmed filing the complaint with police.

According to Binder, an admitted supporter of Isbell's opponent Brenda Ford, he saw an ad in the paper for Sunday's fundraiser and decided to attend and made a $25 donation to the Kona Community Hospital Foundation. Binder said he saw Higa sitting next to two people wearing Isbell campaign shirts and snapped a picture. At that point, Binder alleges that one of the men with Higa approached him and told him he can't use any pictures of the chairman without permission. Binder said he then approached Higa and asked for permission to take his picture.

"He came on strong at that point and said this was a private event and asked me if I was paparazzi," Binder said.

After more words were exchanged between the men, Binder said Higa threatened to break his camera and then instructed the two men a
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Councilman Higa involved in altercation

Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:32 AM HST




by Betsy Tranquilli
Stephens Media


Police are investigating County Council Chairman Stacy Higa for allegedly harassing a man at Sunday's fundraiser for Kona Community Hospital.

It is the second time this year Higa has been accused of harassment.

Police confirmed they have initiated a criminal complaint identifying a council member as a suspect, although they would not identify the individual because no charges have been filed. Police said at about 5 p.m. Sunday, Kona patrol officers filed the complaint on behalf of a 54-year-old man alleging that he was threatened by a council member while at Pualani Estates Park earlier that day.

Higa confirmed to Stephens Media that he was involved in an altercation with Kailua-Kona resident Matthew Binder, an account also confirmed by Binder, and several others at the fundraiser for earthquake damage to Kona Community Hospital, organized and sponsored by the Friends of Virginia Isbell. Binder confirmed filing the complaint with police.

According to Binder, an admitted supporter of Isbell's opponent Brenda Ford, he saw an ad in the paper for Sunday's fundraiser and decided to attend and made a $25 donation to the Kona Community Hospital Foundation. Binder said he saw Higa sitting next to two people wearing Isbell campaign shirts and snapped a picture. At that point, Binder alleges that one of the men with Higa approached him and told him he can't use any pictures of the chairman without permission. Binder said he then approached Higa and asked for permission to take his picture.

"He came on strong at that point and said this was a private event and asked me if I was paparazzi," Binder said.

After more words were exchanged between the men, Binder said Higa threatened to break his camera and then instructed the two men accompanying him to break Binder's camera and beat him up.

"He waived his hand like a mafia don, and they came at me, and I retreated to the heart of the crowd," Binder said. "They tried to get me to 'go for a walk' but I refused. I was shaking. I mean, these guys, they looked like they meant business, and I took it seriously."

Binder said he told several people at the event of the incident, including Isbell. Binder claimed Isbell said that "he probably deserved it."

Isbell said Monday that she did say something of that nature to Binder, but said as a bystander, it appeared Binder was creating the problem.

"I said, 'Matt, you are supposed to be here enjoying the afternoon and entertainment. You are really creating a problem,'" Isbell said. "I just felt it was a total waste of time and walked away from it. ... It was a really nice event. It was going great until Matt decided to get in (Higa's) face and take a picture."

According to Higa's version of events, he was attending "a private function" for the hospital, when Binder walked within five to 10 feet of his face and took his picture. Higa said when he confronted Binder about his behavior, "he became mouthy and wordy with me."

"I did what I had to do to defend myself," Higa said.

Higa said he has not been contacted by police. Higa added that if harassment charges are filed against him, he will "probably file harassment charges against (Binder)."

Charles Flaherty, a Ford supporter attending the event on behalf of the Hokulia Foundation, which made a $1,000 donation, said he did not witness the confrontation, but tried to calm everyone in the aftermath.

"Everyone behaved badly in this incident. It's very unfortunate and distracted from the event," Flaherty said. "There's no question (Binder) was about to be escorted out against his will. There were two men on both sides of him ready to remove him."

In March, a secretary for Puna Councilman Gary Safarik filed a harassment and workplace violence complaint against Higa for allegedly yelling at her, moving her to tears. The County Clerk cleared Higa of any wrongdoing in the incident.

Police ask that anyone who witnessed Sunday's incident to call Detective Bradley Freitas at 326-4646, extension 228, or the police nonemergency number at 935-3311.

Those who wish to remain anonymous may call Crime Stoppers at 961-8300 in Hilo or 329-8181 in Kona. All Crime Stoppers information is kept strictly confidential.



Innagadadavida wrote on October 30, 2006 11:42 PM:
"Beamer can't run (and he can't hide), he lives on Oahu. Or was it Mars?"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:17 PM:
"As soon as my violenceism premise is coded in the Psyc DSM manual and then officially accepted, Higa can be removed, redacted, impeached as one with diagnosable addiction, mental condition. Get it going Roger. Do not settle out of court this time."

only here wrote on October 30, 2006 8:10 PM:
"write in rainbowbeamer fou county coucil! after all, can it get any worse?"

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 4:41 PM:
"I'd vote for Rainbowbeamer before I cast my ballot for Higa or Isbell."

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 4:40 PM:
"I'm letting neighbors and all willing to listen that I'm not voting for Higa and Isbell. Spread the word. Whatever he does that are seen as good, does not equate to his poor attitudes & power-hungry character."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 3:05 PM:
"Hig'a addicted ... greater high on violence' > Addiction-to-a-form-of-endorphin-realease that needs-by-the-laws-of-addiction to be fed-steadily and increasingly - Emancipate the youth and pay 'em crazy pay ... it's a start. Who got 'em hooked ??? Weed-is-BIG-remedy, like methadone. Guitar-lessons-by-me-simple-technique-also-gets-good-endorphin-release-result you can too. NOW !!!""

Fed-up wrote on October 30, 2006 1:47 PM:
"HIGA IS A THUG AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. VOTE HIM OUT!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:41 AM:
"Bryon U. of Zerox-Honolulu fame went Hydra, a firehydrant for that Satan rising ... send him letters and donations !!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:38 AM:
"Know our salvation in Christ ... Toto - St. George And The Dragon Lyrics: Can-you-tell-me-where-I-might-find-the-Hydra, Is-he-wearing-a-familiar-face, Does-he-still-live-below-Seventh-Avenue, With-the-princess-dipped-in-lace, Does he-know-that, I'm-a-soldier-of-fortune, And-not-a-victim-of-circumstance, We-drew-lots-for-his-soft-underbelly, Now-his-fate-is-sealed-with-my-lance, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You've-never-seen-the-man-with-nothing-to-say, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You'd-better-watch-yourself, St.-George-is-on-his-way, Is-it-true-that-he's-a-mighty-warrior, And-a-viper-of-the-first-degree, I've-been-sentenced-here-to-slay-the-giant, Geld-this-fear-I-cannot-see, Can-you-tell-me-where-I-might-find-the-Hydra, Is-he-wearing-a-familiar-face, Does-he-still-live-below-Seventh-Avenue, In-the-slums-of-Satan's-grace, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You've-never-seen-the-man-with-nothing-to-say, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You'd-better-watch-yourself-St.-George-is-on-his-way, YOU A HYDRA YET ????? rAMEN"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:32 AM:
"Just in: Answer - http://www.theregulators.com/bio.shtml SONG by Regulators - Money Pride and Greed, hears on http://www.bellyup4blues.com/"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:29 AM:
"If your final and defacto ethic is just beat it out of 'em. No wait for police calls, clouded personal protection restraint - implyed justice. Arm everyone, retore second ammendment and shoot it out fairly cowpokes"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:29 AM:
"Stop-the-competition-drills-already. Janice, tell-us-what-it's-like to be 'da best. How you reguard the rest average then, now - low esteem and worse pay, only. Cooperation-is-the-ticket. Equal-but-different-divine. A full one eighty turn in social expressions. When is "kill-haloe-day" - Good day for suicide attempt !!!! Want peace, cooperate, no brainer !!!""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:29 AM:
"Here-action, come-here-girl, 'wistle, wistle', here-action, common-action, action-come-here-girl. Darn-dead-dog. Dead dog is YOU, violence comes out from within. Supressing violence from without is violence. Better drive by !!! Leave system out and you in-br responcipble YOURSELF or "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 8:33 AM:
"Lot of REAL BLAME comes in the form of invasive media through examples in advertising, music, movies (Saw III) and inciting riots type media personalities and examples from our gun carrying persecutors of the first degree PIGS!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 8:26 AM:
""Fighting back breaks nails and is a gift from the offended to give you chance to straighten out on own. Me personally, I'm an annilator. Ever hear of drive bys ????""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 5:03 PM:
"Want peace, proooooooove it. Christen and be christend. http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=christen . Anything else is conflict. See http://pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-3775.html .Protect yourselfs with the truth."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 4:03 PM:
"home/street work for Hilo and surrounding aeras .. chant, in pidgeon if necessary, I LUV U, to all you see, pop quizs at any time."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 3:08 PM:
"Yes, from beyond first, Make yourself familiar with the angels, and behold them frequently in spirit; for without being seen, they are present with you -- St. Francis de Sales. EARTHQUAKE IS YOUR WARNING MUDEROUS LOT"

The Lack wrote on October 29, 2006 1:02 PM:
"This looks like more fun that going to a boxing match. Let's sell tickets to the next fund raiser."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 9:53 AM:
"Yeah, post IPs. I like credit for my efforts, good, bad, indifferent, exzagerated or just plain 'ole HUH ???"

Exactly why IP's should be posted wrote on October 29, 2006 9:45 AM:
"otherwise this turns into just another blog for idiots"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 8:48 AM:
"My imaginary friend thinks you need to Muvon. IMPoster - "I am schitzophrenic and so am I". Me and myself agree, but I does not agree. Have a nice breakfest, like do lunch???"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 8:31 AM:
"I am schitzophrenic and so am I."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 8:24 AM:
"muvon calling.........Don't call me stupid...........It's an insult to all those people out there who really are stupid!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 8:05 AM:
"Muvon calling, "smelt ... delt""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 7:56 AM:
"He who smelt it dealt it. I am the real rainbowbeamer, but the imposter will say otherwise. There is a zionist conspiracy to make me sound more stupid than I really am."

DustCloud Blower wrote on October 28, 2006 8:00 PM:
"Rain(Blow-hard) to under(take) a stand-sit-down and shut up. Not! Lost & found jew-jew-train-of-thought forums. Sows the pig's (Con)-fuschian m(ag)enta l(ill)y. White-s(moke)-e(man)ating-from-the-mouths-of-(bab)ies-(ble)eding-heart librarians."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 7:14 PM:
""See-the-crash-in-90-days or less, strike, go to the mountain during wars and rumors of wars. Good job basic math. Get plenty everthing but money and generosity. Historically that is a culture, less a people - jew culture. U jew me down, I jew you down > nothing left but the fight!!!!""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 7:11 PM:
"Points all over this e-newspaper to make principbles glow, cross pollinating here. Every time I try thc ministry org forum, get banned message. Need to cut/paste past efforts elsewhere, now it's go out to the neighboor to get that info. back out. What means "seems" Trecker."

West sider wrote on October 28, 2006 6:26 PM:
"Please rainbowbeamer....get back on the meds...you aren't coherent.....stick to the news subject and stop wasting everyone's time."

Star Trek wrote on October 28, 2006 4:49 PM:
"Beamer- What ban? Your identical comments are double-posted on the THC site. Like I said, "sometimes things are not what they seem, and sometimes they simply are.""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 3:55 PM:
"All the King's whorses and all the King's clergy kin kept crack'n ole 'HUMPty' with a big fat grin !!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 3:41 PM:
"""Police now expect trouble when a big event hits town" > "This is paradise and people want to live here." For the money, sell sizzle, not steak, can you say cliche. How is beamer safe in town, Roger-who banned me from thc website, "for a while"?""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 12:17 PM:
""From what? a digital-picture?" Paranoid-thoughts-in-his-think-process window-to-soul, his experience-and-expections the filter of behavior - anybody study-the-background-images in photo or his associates-in-proximity at time - ice man or worse he near on digital-photo. Associate of the taxer over taxed hippapotamausacrit?"

melelina wrote on October 28, 2006 11:59 AM:
"If a person reacts this way at work, or at an outside function, then it gives me a glimpse of what this person is like at home!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 10:58 AM:
"Campaign of go down drain ... http://zerotolerates.bravehost.com/"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 9:50 AM:
"Comes around goes around, http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/36157/We_Have_Turned_Iraq_Into_The_Most_Hellish_Place_on_Earth"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 9:46 AM:
"It's in the air, http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/36051/Israel_Fires_on_German_Ship"

Star Trek wrote on October 28, 2006 8:02 AM:
"RainbowBeamer, sometimes things are not what they seem, and sometimes they simply are. "Deeper" doesn't always mean "more complicated." Then again, that's just my own reality."

Westsider wrote on October 28, 2006 7:15 AM:
"Time to beam up moonbeamer...way too many conspiracy theaories for one day"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 1:06 AM:
"Byran Uyesugi did not shoot a specific person(s), THAT is a huge "tell". Deep Triad, Yakaza, CIA and/or worse spies my bet !!!! Thanks Byran Uyesugi. HE WAS ABUSED-SAW ABUSE, NOT MENTAL. Beyond the ionosphere opinion about news and authorities in general."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 1:01 AM:
"Read this book http://www.ercb.com/brief/brief.0126.html And then rethink the cosmic reward in the Zerox shooting, Byran Uyesugi > By RAhn, Used an "Uzi" http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/04/honolulu.shootings.02/"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 12:55 AM:
"Typical girl friend, what his coworkers that stupid, NOPE, just complicent, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 12:52 AM:
"Government officials assumingauthorities and security thugs thinks like ancient Jews, your Gentile skum. U.S. Government Lays Groundwork for Talmudic Courts> http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/talmud.html These people do not ever protect YOU> http://www.samliquidation.com/protocolstoday.htm"

Hmmm wrote on October 27, 2006 9:50 PM:
"Higa files counter-complaint: http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2006/10/27/local/local10.txt Touche."

Hmmm wrote on October 27, 2006 8:39 PM:
"Andrew- Put your Hawaii Free Press online- then we can get the whole story of what you're trying to say rather than trying to decipher it from 50-word posts."

poor man wrote on October 27, 2006 11:11 AM:
"Higa staes "I did what I had to do to defend myself".From what? a digital picture? Since when does that constitute a threat?"

soap opera wrote on October 27, 2006 11:08 AM:
"gofather HIGA SENDS HIS GOONS AFTER CITIZEN WHO DARES TO TAKE HIS PICTURE AT A PUBLIC EVENT FRONTING FOR HIS BILLIONAIRE BUDDIES, MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE RANCH, ICEHEADS RIOT IN THE STREETS AND HE DOES NOTHING. NERO FIDDELED WHILE ROME BURNED"

Figured it all out wrote on October 27, 2006 9:52 AM:
"Higa and his croonies should've exercised their ways and means at last Sunday morning "Rumble on the Road at Banyan Drive". It seems his demeanor is more suited to the streets than the political position he is entrusted with."

SALLIE wrote on October 27, 2006 8:41 AM:
"RIGHT ON ALL COUNCIL GONE AND NEW PEOPLE!!!!!!! TOO MUCH POWER..AND VIOLENT..ATTITUDES AND WE PAY THEM???"

Westsider wrote on October 27, 2006 8:29 AM:
"I don't agree with Ford on land use but I sure a hell want the Hilo appendage massaging council members tossed out on thier collective ears. Time for a "do over"....Higa OUT! Isabell OUT...all good ole Hilo boys club members OUT!"

Westsider wrote on October 27, 2006 8:29 AM:
"Her godfather Higa attends is in form. She is caught sitting at his feet offerring tribute and support. She is as ethically corrupt as he is and needs to go. "

Westsider wrote on October 27, 2006 8:29 AM:
"It appears that Isabell hasa been uncovered. Her PAC engineers a funder raiser for publicity & small $ donations. She leverages the publicity only to have it backfire. GOOD. "

SALLIE wrote on October 27, 2006 8:09 AM:
"HAVE TOTAL FEAR OF HIGA!!!! AND IF YOU DO NOT VOTE!!!!!!!!!!! NO GRUMBLE..VOTE VOTE VOTE...PEOPLE HAVE DIED FOR THIS RIGHT AND ARE AS WE SPEAK..VOTE."

HAMAKUA wrote on October 27, 2006 8:08 AM:
"i also help the Island people!! BUT NO PLACE FOR VIOLENCE BY THIS COUNCIL HIGA!!! NEEDS ANGER MANAGEMENT!!! HE IS ON A POWER TRIP THAT IS EFFECTING US!!"

Figured it all out wrote on October 27, 2006 7:47 AM:
"There are still some good on the council, but if the rest of the council doesn't see how frustrated and the lack of confidence the voters have in the Higa&Isbell show, you too must burden the error of their ways."

Next is Roger if he's not careful wrote on October 27, 2006 6:47 AM:
"Out of luck soon"

"I" Figured it all out wrote on October 27, 2006 6:45 AM:
"your Kimo"

Andrew wrote on October 26, 2006 9:15 PM:
""Also, Hokulia is sorta off-topic, isn't it?" Nope, Hokulia IS the topic here. Nov 7 (unless Higa can pull a rabbit out of his hat) the Hok plaintiffs and their Sierra Club backers will take control of the Council (again). That's what this incident is all about."

Andrew wrote on October 26, 2006 9:13 PM:
""To me, it still sounds like Higa acted poorly, esp. for a Council Chair. His explanations for his actions sounded weak." Yep, that's clear, now lets go beyond that and delve deeper. "

Figured it all out wrote on October 26, 2006 5:35 PM:
"I did more than my share of bad and now trying to make up with PONO. I've never mentioned nothing about the Leialohas. Vernon Costa maybe. But not to detract from the issue: Higa and Isbell gottah GO."

Figured it all out wrote on October 26, 2006 5:34 PM:
"Yes, I make a difference. I don't have to prove to you nothing, my actions does and will cotinue to do so. But I will tell you that I ONE, NO SCARED BRADDAH THAT TAKE NO *HIT TOO!"

Figured it all out wrote on October 26, 2006 5:29 PM:
"I've received awards from UH Hilo, as well as Community Awards from Upward Bound for service to community. What have you accomplished? I am a single-parent dad that raised 4 young children on my own, who have all responsible lives today. Have you?"

Figured it all out wrote on October 26, 2006 5:26 PM:
"I help foster youth transition towards securing independent lives instead of going back to the drugs and abuse. Do you? I help empower young people to become better citizens. Do you?"

Figured it all out wrote on October 26, 2006 5:24 PM:
"But I'll tell you, I walked against domestice violence 2 weeks ago. Did you? I spoke out against domestic violence 2 weeks ago. Did you? I help foster youth to graduate and go to college. Do you?"

Figured it all out wrote on October 26, 2006 5:22 PM:
"I'm going to get into a piss fight with you. I know who I am, but do you know who you are? The people I help know I make a difference in their lives. That's all that matters. "

SO AM I wrote on October 26, 2006 5:07 PM:
"A REGISTERED VOTER BUT I CHOSE NOT TO VOTE, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ALL TALK SMACK AND DONT SEE ANYTHING THEY DO TO IMPROVE HAWAII."

LMFAO wrote on October 26, 2006 5:01 PM:
"U THINK YOU MAKING A DIFFERENCE HERE? PLEASE IF YOU ARE SEND US UR ADDY AND ALL THE SERVICES YOU CAN TO OFFER HAWAII RESIDENTS..U MR. THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL."

Figured it all out wrote on October 26, 2006 1:24 PM:
"I am a registered voter. If I was not, I'd certainly register just to vote against croonies like Higa and Isbell. Of Stacey becoming chair, his hauna will spread to the rest of the council. To council, people are dissatisfied with Higa and Isbell. Vote on it."

Figured it all out wrote on October 26, 2006 1:20 PM:
"2-Figured it all out-WASSUP. I don't know what gave you the imppression I am white and from the mainland. I am here and making a difference, if you only could comprehend what you read, you'd know that. What's your trip?"

Public servant wrote on October 26, 2006 10:53 AM:
"Doesn't councilman Higa realize he lost his right to privacy as soon as he took office? Why is it that individuals with money and influence hold themselves to different standards compared to the rest of society? "

Hmmm wrote on October 26, 2006 10:09 AM:
"Andrew- Not taking sides, but I don't think you've revealed any info that is "amazing and refreshing." To me, it still sounds like Higa acted poorly, esp. for a Council Chair. His explanations for his actions sounded weak. Also, Hokulia is sorta off-topic, isn't it?"

pj wrote on October 26, 2006 8:59 AM:
"Mr. Higa doesn't seem to have the temperament for public service. Also, his inexperience shows in council meetings. He's a public figure--why can't someone take his picture? Ms. Isbell, disappointed at your reaction. Intimidation is not ok. "

BC wrote on October 26, 2006 8:28 AM:
"YEA, NO LOL, THEY NEED CAMERAS IN THEIR OFFICES SO THE LADY EMPLOYES DO NOT HAVE TO KICK SOME LAME OLD RUDE COUNCIL IDIOTS BUTT..GONE GONE GO.........."

DON wrote on October 26, 2006 8:23 AM:
"WHAT A DISGRACE TO THIS BEAUTIFUL BIG ISLAND THAT IS GRIEVING.PROFESSIONALS KNOW HOW TO HANDLE A CAMERA SHOT..VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY COUNCIL,AGAIN!!!!!!!! BOTH GET OUT WE PAY FOR THEM??????????? NO NEED..."

hamakua wrote on October 26, 2006 8:19 AM:
"tO wit: well mahalo So this violent councilmen OWNS LAVA PRINT SHOP WELL I WILL NEVER NEVER GO IN THERE. THIS IS SO DISCUSTING..FIRE HIM!!!!!!"

F.B.I. wrote on October 26, 2006 5:19 AM:
"If this had taken place without a crowed around, the story would be about Binder being found dead in a landfill. Put Higa in Jail befor he does kill someone."

2- Figured it all out wrote on October 26, 2006 1:42 AM:
"Do you have nothing else to do in the mainland but read HAWAII'S news? You think you are as good as you speak in here, get ur azz back here and make a difference u white trash."

Andrew wrote on October 25, 2006 10:46 PM:
"And of course all sides involved in this story have an axe to grind. Instead of singing the sad song of poor Mr Binder and poor little Chuck now the whole story is told. It is both amazing and refreshing when the entire story is told, isn't it."

Andrew wrote on October 25, 2006 10:09 PM:
"And of course all sides involved in this story have an axe to grind. Instead of singing the sad song of poor Mr Binder and poor little Chuck now the whole story is told. It is both amazing and refreshing when the entire story is told, isn't it."

Andrew wrote on October 25, 2006 10:05 PM:
"Nothing is wrong with Hok or anybody else donating to Hospital repairs. The Hok lawsuit was about creating power for the plaintiffs--not about protecting the community from the 'evil' developer. Here is evidence they have succeeded. Chuck holding the power of the purse. "

Hmmm wrote on October 25, 2006 9:13 PM:
"Andrew- What's wrong with Hokulia Foundation donating to Kona Hospital? I don't understand your negative implication. What do you think they should be doing with the money? Also, your "axe to grind" theory works both ways, doesn't it? "

Andrew wrote on October 25, 2006 8:34 PM:
"The power comes from your apparent ability to choose where Hokulia's money goes. Or are you saying you are not involved in the decision making process? Are you on the payroll of the Hokulia Foundation or are you an unpaid volunteer? "

Chuck Flaherty wrote on October 25, 2006 7:45 PM:
"Andrew, editor for ultra-right wing Hawai'i Free Press, Binder's account is accurate. As a person with AIDS, my contribution showed that everyone supports the hospital. I've also contributed to HIV/AIDS Foundation, Island Breeze Ministries, and to my kumu's non-profit. Where's the power in that?"

Andrew wrote on October 25, 2006 7:36 PM:
"You are still assuming that Binder's account of the events is accurate. That is not a safe assumption based on who he is."

wilson wrote on October 25, 2006 11:08 AM:
"Higa's (lack of) intellectual capacity is clearly displayed in his bad behavior. It is a shame and disgrace that the voters of Hilo consider him a worthy representative."

We won't worry about Isbell smiling for the camera..... wrote on October 25, 2006 10:52 AM:
"because she is OUT for sure."

In fact all council members... wrote on October 25, 2006 10:50 AM:
"should have cameras installed in their offices. Employers have that right. Smile Higa for the camera. LOL...."

Got a few pictures wrote on October 25, 2006 10:48 AM:
"you want to see them? LOL...."

Higa should have smiled and waved wrote on October 25, 2006 10:47 AM:
"instead he has caused problems. When I take pictures of cops they smile and wave. "

Axe to grind with a camera? wrote on October 25, 2006 10:46 AM:
"Higa should be glad that it wasn't a gun. Now thats what I call an axe to grind. "

MAILE wrote on October 25, 2006 8:23 AM:
"To WHT - I think Higa does own a business in Hilo or at least used to. Lava Rock Printing I think."

Andrew wrote on October 25, 2006 8:21 AM:
"Also noteworthy: Former Hokulia Plaintiff Chuck Flaherty was there to donate $1000 from the Hokulia Foundation. This confirms that the plaintiffs will be using Hok Foundation money to enhance their position of power within the community."

Andrew wrote on October 25, 2006 8:20 AM:
"An item you all missed: Mattthew Binder, the guy with the camera, is the Membership chair for the Sierra Club and its Legislative Director. The Sierra Club endorsed Higa's opponent. Binder has an axe to grind. "

neutral wrote on October 25, 2006 7:30 AM:
"why dont we wait till the truth becomes know befor we throw sticks and stones"

Higa should apologize publicly wrote on October 24, 2006 9:05 PM:
"Higa should make a public apology to Matthew Binder. "

WHT Reader wrote on October 24, 2006 8:32 PM:
"Nice to see Hilo! Mr.Higa, you should step right on down to the rest of us and get a job! Or better yet, open your own business. And good luck!"

Auwe! wrote on October 24, 2006 8:12 PM:
"Higa acting up again? Council Chairman? Auwe! No more shame! "

wish I could wrote on October 24, 2006 7:34 PM:
"Wish i could vote against either/both of them, but thankfully they do not represent my district...and here they are buddying up with the Hokulia Project guys? What does this tell us? Who do we need to get rid of?"

all the radio commmercials in the world will not help her wrote on October 24, 2006 6:10 PM:
"Save your money Ginny."

Isbell will be voted OUT wrote on October 24, 2006 6:09 PM:
"No need to worry about her anymore. "

God at work wrote on October 24, 2006 5:25 PM:
"Jesus at work. Change your ways Higa. We don't want mother nature hitting us again because of all you on the Council and Gov. Lingle too."

Higa gonna sue wrote on October 24, 2006 5:23 PM:
"I sure hope so. I would be great to see Higa drags through the mud. And expose him for what he is."

Safarik has anger issues too. wrote on October 24, 2006 5:18 PM:
"He almost hit someone in Hawaiian Acres when PEAR was closed with the gate."

$100,000 allowance should be taken away from all Council Members. wrote on October 24, 2006 5:16 PM:
"Can't trust this jerks."

This article made my day. wrote on October 24, 2006 5:14 PM:
"Thanks to Higa and his attitude. They send crimanals to anger management. How about County Council member? It should be a priority now."

The list is long. But one by one. They will all fail and lose their jobs. wrote on October 24, 2006 5:12 PM:
"Mahuna your on that list too."

Vote Higa and Isbell into retirement wrote on October 24, 2006 5:09 PM:
"We all have digital cameras now. The best defense and weapon one can use. Higa and Isbell are the enemy. Out damned spot. OUT! LOL.. Yeah, glad it's not only me seeing that something is wrong with Higa and Isabell."

Kathy wrote on October 24, 2006 5:06 PM:
"This is another example of the arogance that we have in our government. The earthquake did alot more then we all think, if we take a closer look at alot of the officials behaviors during and following this disaster, we clearly see the errors of our votes!"

Figured it all out wrote on October 24, 2006 4:39 PM:
"Yeah and take Isbell with you and make true the statement,"she probably deserved it." If not, maybe we can offer Vernon Costa a council seat. Yeah right.....Higa and Isbell-Take a walk."

PAUL wrote on October 24, 2006 3:17 PM:
"WHAT A DUDE COUNCIL JERK CAN PUSH AROUND WOMEN AND CITIZENS TOO..GONE,GONE. NOT NEEDED HIGA,ALOHA AND DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT..."

NURSE wrote on October 24, 2006 3:16 PM:
"HIGA IS RUDE AND AT A HOSPITAL FUNCTION AFTER A DISASTER!!! DO WE NEED COUNCILMEN LIKE THIS?? I SAW IT HAPPEN ON DUTY THERE HE MADE ME SICK..MAJOR KIM GET HIM GONE...ALOHA"

CITIZEN wrote on October 24, 2006 3:14 PM:
"SHAME ON HIGA...GET OUT OF COUNCIL..YOU ARE RUDE AND YOUR MANNERS ARE HORRID..YOUR BODY SPEAKS AS LOUD AS YOUR BIG MOUTH..WE PAY YOUR WAGES..GET OUT...CANT STAND YOU..NO NICE THING ABOUT YOU..BIG SHOT WITHOUT A POT TO PISS IN...GET OUT...HAWAII NEEDS PEACE AND LOVE NOT HIGA.."

Dawn wrote on October 24, 2006 3:07 PM:
"What I find equally disturbing as Higa's mishandling of the incident is the way Isbell responded: "he [Binder] probably deserved it." Even if Binder was being obnoxious, it's wrong to condone violence. And how ironic, that it would happen at a hospital fundraiser!"

notwell wrote on October 24, 2006 1:48 PM:
"Is it illegal to take pictures of public figures in HI? Who does Higa think he is? Don't forget, you can send him a letter (dont forget to copy the rest of the council)"

embarrassed wrote on October 24, 2006 1:21 PM:
"Paparazzi? Don't flatter yourself, Councilman. I've seen your arrogant posturing and am embarrassed that you're my representative on the Council. Your pompous demeanor tells me you hold yourself in higher regard than the rest of us do. "

Figured it all out wrote on October 24, 2006 12:44 PM:
"Stacy-WASSUP! Hint: Fight the ISSUES, NOT the PEOPLE. Any publicity is good publicity, but in your case, No publicity is GOOD publicity."

Figured it all out wrote on October 24, 2006 12:26 PM:
"Stacy WASSUP! Anykind bad publicity is not good. Advise:Fight the Issue and Not the PEOPLE."

Figured it all out wrote on October 24, 2006 11:58 AM:
"As a member of this community, it is my right to choose which politician I support. As an elected-politician, it is his/her duty to represent and support all the people of this island, regardless if they support you or not. Evidently, some politicians doesn't grasp the concept too-well."

Ron wrote on October 24, 2006 11:15 AM:
"And all over a fundraiser for the earthquake damage! - People complain about government NOT BEING their during a national emergency - with Higa, he's punching out the help! Get rid of this rubbish!"

Ron wrote on October 24, 2006 11:13 AM:
"Who pays for the 2 "goons" with Higa?Who does he think he is asking about "paparazi?" He is a Council Chairman - makes less than 40k a year - he is NOT A MOVIE STAR! Now look at the time and money wasted by this boob for the police involvement!"

Ron wrote on October 24, 2006 11:07 AM:
"Just another example of the CRAP this County has in its leadership roles. he clearly has some type of eqomanaic complex as well as an inabiltiy to understand his position. Thank God he is not a cop!"

Paparatzi wrote on October 24, 2006 10:04 AM:
"Who does Higa think he is, Brad Pitt? I would never consider taking his picture before, but now he's fair game! Smile Stacey!"

LOL wrote on October 24, 2006 9:55 AM:
"Note that it still says LodiNews.com : "If contributors follow these guidelines, Lodinews.com will leave this forum convenient, anonymous and otherwise unfettered" can't even copy another site without missing a few things"








Late night riot by Hilo hotspot club

Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:23 AM HST



Police now expect trouble when a big event hits town

by Bret Yager
Tribune-Herald Staff Writer


A bottle exploded on the roof of a police car. A Shooters Bar & Grill employee was maced by a would-be patron. Security staff and police ducked flying bottles. Fists flew, ambulances showed up, and the mob scene dragged on for two and half hours.

Welcome to Banyan Drive, early morning Sunday, Oct. 22.

It was more than just a usual night of fun as crowds of rowdy individuals mixed it up in front of Shooters. There were so many people in the street out front that motorists couldn't get through.

Bayview Banyan tenant Kele Spicer watched it all from the steps of a building one door down from Shooters. He's sure the crowd was pumped up from the "Beatdown II" martial arts event held earlier that night at the Hilo Civic Auditorium.

"I'd say there were 15 police cars," he said. "They all got out and they looked like a platoon. I saw a beer bottle shatter on the roof of a police car. Rocks hit a parked SUV."

Hilo Police Sgt. Richard Miyamoto said this is what the department has come to expect on big event weekends. Disturbances started as soon as the auditorium event let out and just got worse as the night went on. Uncle Mikey's closed down, then everyone was at Shooters. Then Shooters closed down and everyone was in the street. That's when it got really ugly.

As soon as officers broke up one fight, another started. They were ducking bottles that shattered on cars.

"Because there were so many people, we probably didn't pick up as many as we should have. We didn't have the manpower," Miyamoto said. "It started at 3 a.m. and I couldn't release my guys until 5:30 a.m. It took two and a half hours for us to disperse enough people to say it was safe for us to leave the area."

The mood was reminiscent of an incident 16 years ago where one Hilo officer died, Miyamoto said.

"We were extremely lucky no officers and no members of the public were seriously hurt," he said.

Shooters owner Ken Takahashi said the incident was atypical, fueled by a pack of disgruntled people whom Shooters staff turned away because they knew they were troublemakers.

He said police arrested a few people, but not enough. Police took seven into custody. Four were charged with disorderly conduct and failure to disperse.

"They had nothing to do with our club because we didn't let them in. We can't control them when they are off our property," Takahashi said.

Others say similar incidents involving fights and rowdiness are all too common on the horseshoe-shaped strip of bayfront hotels, condos and eateries.

"Sometimes the road is filled with people," said one Reeds Bay resident who withheld his name. "They stop traffic, there's so many of them out there beefing it up. I don't even get up anymore."

Added Spicer: "They also had some rowdiness down here about a month ago. Cops had a guy down here; an ambulance was fixing him up. They were all pumped up on ice. Someone went home and got the cousins. That was when it got rowdy."

Takahashi blames the disturbances on a lack of centralized parking where staff could keep an eye on patrons. He can't control what happens on the long stretch of street where people end up parking. He said he and the hotel operators have also pressed the county for a police substation on Banyan, where the unsafe atmosphere keeps tourists indoors at night.

"Every hotel has offered free space for the substation. I said right in front of my door would be a great spot. The county hasn't done anything," he said.

Takahashi said he complies with noise ordinances and makes every effort to be a good neighbor. He said he had conferred with his head of security and believed the scene had been staged.

"They were all at another club saying if we didn't let them in, they were going to start a riot. I want to press charges, but they were never in my club," he said.

Takahashi said he has already complied with community requests for soundproofing and more security.

"We've done everything people have asked," he said. "I'd love to listen to the community if they have any more suggestions."

Miyamoto said he's not sure whether it's worse to have people strung out along the street or all together in one big parking lot, like the one across from the Naniloa Volcanoes Resort. Late-night revelers used to gather there until the Naniloa blocked off the lot.

"If it's a big area, it stretches our officers out, but if people are all together in one place, it can be a huge fight," he said.

Bret Yager can be reached at byager@hawaiitribune-herald.com.




get it together wrote on October 30, 2006 9:59 PM:
"The problem with some people on the Big Island is this: they think the whole world is the Big Island! I'm sorry, but the world is much bigger than that. Don't make a name for yourself being a troublemaker, instead make something of yourselfs."

former BIslander wrote on October 30, 2006 9:16 PM:
"enough beamer. ranting and raving like a maniac"

Issues wrote on October 30, 2006 6:20 PM:
"I rather drive an old clunker than a new car,I can fix it myself & I am a woman thank you!We learn more responsibility and how to appreciate what we have not what we want.common sense?None,Your only book smart.Take away the books and the money and your just like us!"

Issues wrote on October 30, 2006 6:17 PM:
"I rather drive an old clunker than a new car,I can fix it myself & I am a woman thank you!We learn more responsibility and how to appreciate what you have not what you want.common sense?None,Your only book smart.Take away the books and the money and your just like us!"

Issues wrote on October 30, 2006 6:12 PM:
"Yes I am comparing!Why ?read whats bieng said.We locals always get put down.Your not better than us cause you have money.I rather have love than money.Our families know how to hug our children.This tough love krap show no emotion makes you cold hearted b......"

Issues wrote on October 30, 2006 6:02 PM:
"atleast the men in hawaii have some respect and are not afraid of their woman knowing more than them.They even work with woman without critizing what they do and how they do it!They don't belittle their woman and if they do they can"t be a local."

Issues wrote on October 30, 2006 5:57 PM:
"Abuse?The locals treat there woman better than men outside the islands.I have never seen so much frightened, fony plastic surgeon,high maintenance,dump the kids on nannys,cold hearted people in my life!They treat there animals better than their kids and wife.Men have no respect whatsoever for woman! "

Issues wrote on October 30, 2006 5:51 PM:
" Drug issues?Hawaii is not the only place that has this problem and since we are dumb idiots we buy it from people who bring it into the islands.Ive experienced other places outside the islands and its worse.They have a much bigger selection of drugs to choose from."

Issues wrote on October 30, 2006 5:43 PM:
"All of you who critize people are all adolecent adults!Grow up!stick to the issue at hand!This is the kind of things that start trouble.All of you from out of town,If you don't like it than move!Were not stupid idiots we just don't have money to buy goverment like you!"

Oaklander wrote on October 30, 2006 5:23 PM:
"Notice the increase in violence in the schools? Oakland has had a problem with their public school system for 30-40 years. Now it is in the top ten most violent cities in the nation. big island, take notice... Nits become gnats."

Dr Freud wrote on October 30, 2006 5:12 PM:
"Rainbowbeamer is an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac. He stays up all night wondering if there's a Dog."

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 4:37 PM:
"He's not only taking space online, but on this Earth as well."

what the h--l! wrote on October 30, 2006 4:37 PM:
"That's why we don't have many places to go out, the all shut down because people don't know how to ACT! Get a GRIP people or should I say "animals""

what the h--l! wrote on October 30, 2006 4:35 PM:
"these blogs are way out of control! how can ANYONE blame anyone else other than those involved in the incident? the bottom line on this wonderful island is........if you cannot handle, then don't drink or do drugs.......BOTTOM LINE!! "

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 4:34 PM:
"More like 100% nonsense from the Rainbowbummer. Does he speak like that in real life? Correction, there's nothing real about that dude than the fact that people needs MED. Just skip his blogs, EVERYBODY ELSE DOES "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 3:05 PM:
"greater high on violence' > Addiction-to-a-form-of-endorphin-realease that needs-by-the-laws-of-addiction to be fed-steadily and increasingly - Emancipate the youth and pay 'em crazy pay ... it's a start. Who got 'em hooked ??? Weed-is-BIG-remedy, like methadone. Guitar-lessons-by-me-simple-technique-also-gets-good-endorphin-release-result you can too. NOW !!!""

Figured it all out wrote on October 30, 2006 2:42 PM:
"Cutting through the BS: Hold UFC daytime hours, Banyan Drive Police Substation(and grteater police presence), More DUI roadblocks at both Banyan Drive ends, Liquor Commission accountability, street cams and better street lighting. "

former BIslander wrote on October 30, 2006 2:31 PM:
"of all the comments almost 20% nonsense by the beamer"

Kimo wrote on October 30, 2006 11:59 AM:
"If what the paper printed is true, then SHAME ON YOU TAKAHASHI. DO NOT blame others for your problems. STOP complaining about parking spaces. NO ONE TOLD YOU to have your business in a condo unit building. WAKE UP and GROW UP. "

To new readers wrote on October 30, 2006 11:57 AM:
" Just skip over rainbowbeamer "

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 30, 2006 11:44 AM:
"If NYC can clean up ...so can Hilo! Tony, fighting is not an answer to anything! "

ex-tourist wrote on October 30, 2006 11:42 AM:
"At Shooters, I don't recall any teens kept liquored up ... but I do remember a bouncer stepping in when a young local was about to bash my 50 year old face in for no reason. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:40 AM:
"Bryon U. of Zerox-Honolulu fame went Hydra, a firehydrant for that Satan rising ... send him letters and donations !!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:37 AM:
"Know our salvation in Christ ... Toto - St. George And The Dragon Lyrics: Can-you-tell-me-where-I-might-find-the-Hydra, Is-he-wearing-a-familiar-face, Does-he-still-live-below-Seventh-Avenue, With-the-princess-dipped-in-lace, Does he-know-that, I'm-a-soldier-of-fortune, And-not-a-victim-of-circumstance, We-drew-lots-for-his-soft-underbelly, Now-his-fate-is-sealed-with-my-lance, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You've-never-seen-the-man-with-nothing-to-say, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You'd-better-watch-yourself, St.-George-is-on-his-way, Is-it-true-that-he's-a-mighty-warrior, And-a-viper-of-the-first-degree, I've-been-sentenced-here-to-slay-the-giant, Geld-this-fear-I-cannot-see, Can-you-tell-me-where-I-might-find-the-Hydra, Is-he-wearing-a-familiar-face, Does-he-still-live-below-Seventh-Avenue, In-the-slums-of-Satan's-grace, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You've-never-seen-the-man-with-nothing-to-say, I-can-tell-by-the-look-in-your-eye, You'd-better-watch-yourself-St.-George-is-on-his-way, YOU A HYDRA YET ????? rAMEN"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 11:32 AM:
"Just in: Answer - http://www.theregulators.com/bio.shtml SONG by Regulators - Money Pride and Greed, hears on http://www.bellyup4blues.com/"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:28 AM:
"If your final and defacto ethic is just beat it out of 'em. No wait for police calls, clouded personal protection restraint - implyed justice. Arm everyone, retore second ammendment and shoot it out fairly cowpokes"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:27 AM:
"Stop-the-competition-drills-already. Janice, tell-us-what-it's-like to be 'da best. How you reguard the rest average then, now - low esteem and worse pay, only. Cooperation-is-the-ticket. Equal-but-different-divine. A full one eighty turn in social expressions. When is "kill-haloe-day" - Good day for suicide attempt !!!! Want peace, cooperate, no brainer"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 10:27 AM:
"Here-action, come-here-girl, 'wistle, wistle', here-action, common-action, action-come-here-girl. Darn-dead-dog. Dead dog is YOU, violence comes out from within. Supressing violence from without is violence. Better drive by !!! Leave system out and you in-br responcipble YOURSELF or ..."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 8:33 AM:
"Lot of REAL BLAME comes in the form of invasive media through examples in advertising, music, movies (Saw III) and inciting riots type media personalities and examples from our gun carrying persecutors of the first degree PIGS!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 30, 2006 8:26 AM:
""Fighting back breaks nails and is a gift from the offended to give you chance to straighten out on own. Me personally, I'm an annilator. Ever hear of drive bys ????""

John wrote on October 30, 2006 7:56 AM:
"The ills of Hilo are precipitated by the same thugs time and again. Police know who they are, what they drive. Why are they not pulling them over every night to check for DUI? A DUI checkpoint on both ends of Banyan is warranted. Where is Chief Mahuna on this?"

John wrote on October 30, 2006 7:47 AM:
"I have been frequenting Shooters regularly on my visit here. The way I understand it, the incident was started when several houligans who were previously 86'd from the club tried to gain access. If your 86'd, take your s.hit eleswhere. You ain't gettin'in."

John wrote on October 30, 2006 7:26 AM:
"Tony lives on the planet Delusional"

John wrote on October 30, 2006 7:25 AM:
"The only time I would ever meet a police officer, is if I ran into him at an intersection. The police presence and effect here is deploarable."

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 3:23 AM:
"People come here and can't find distractions. If they can handle 3 to 5 years here, they might have a chance of living here. Most come and sell after a year and go to Las Vegas so they don't have to look at themselves."

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 3:20 AM:
"Hilo is not a place to retire. Hilo is a place to bring your kids to grow up tough. More need to learn how to fight correctly. Need to repect fighting more. Fighting improve self-esteme and confidence. Good fighters don't start fights. Only-if-have-four-or-five-friends-to-dogpile-someone."

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 3:17 AM:
"We don't want rich people coming here pushing the cost of home to 1/2 million $. Stay on the boat. Hilo has it's own economy. No one coming here to the spec houses paying 500k for house is going to be happy here."

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 3:14 AM:
"This town made a decision long ago to keep the raw sewage in the bay. If not we would loose our downtown to development. Hilo is great as it is. Just need a few more places to party."

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 3:13 AM:
"Everyone off island stay that way. Esp Jeremy stay in NYC. Slur residents that have only few choices in affordable housing. The hotels are cheap too."

Tony wrote on October 30, 2006 3:12 AM:
"Can there be a thread that doesn't bring in off subjects like Gays and Puna. Nothing to do here. Hawaiians need to know their own history of the Alii's to understand local homophobia."

Tranny Dan wrote on October 29, 2006 9:01 PM:
"The GAYS should take over Banyan Drive. Make it a gay destination, bring some money to Hilo."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 5:03 PM:
"Want peace, proooooooove it. Christen and be christend. http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=christen . Anything else is conflict. See http://pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-3775.html .Protect yourselfs with the truth."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 4:03 PM:
"home/street work for Hilo and surrounding aeras .. chant, in pidgeon if necessary, I LUV U, to all you see, pop quizs at any time."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 3:07 PM:
"Yes, from beyond first, Make yourself familiar with the angels, and behold them frequently in spirit; for without being seen, they are present with you -- St. Francis de Sales. EARTHQUAKE IS YOUR WARNING MUDEROUS LOT"

Deanna wrote on October 29, 2006 2:53 PM:
"U all missing the biggest points! Get rid or the dope dealers then u not gonna have people high on ice thinking they can take on the world. I remember when I lived Hilo was layed back now everybody think they UFC champs!!!"

to blame wrote on October 29, 2006 2:13 PM:
"Going back and forth on the blogs will not solve anything.It's only making more problems.Get together and put your energy and free time into solving these problems.Your wasting your energy and ideas here.Put them to work For you and the people you represent.Be adults!"

to blame wrote on October 29, 2006 2:08 PM:
"Get akamai and use your brain find civilzed ways of solving problems.Get together and fight in goverment for issues that has not been resolved.Get press involved.We can only blame ourselves for not trying to solve these issues in the right way."

to blame wrote on October 29, 2006 2:01 PM:
"Blame, blame,blame.It's the idiots who are suppose to be adults that are to blame.Think about it!There should be a curfew for adult adolesents.There are ways of making improvements without closing buisness,keeping peace and our culture.Theres just no one in goverment thats smart enough."

re: to ex-tourist wrote on October 29, 2006 1:55 PM:
"Isn't that the truth! His bouncers cause a lot of the problems. Think they are tough but got little weenies. Losers. Shitter's owner Ken pays the cops and the liquor commission and the liquor board. Then waddles away."

To ex-tourist wrote on October 29, 2006 1:52 PM:
"There would be no need for police substation if they got rid of shooter's. Taxpayer paying for police to be at shooter's every night...not Ken Takasshole. He gets all the profits of keeping teens liquored up."

Thumpers suck wrote on October 29, 2006 1:20 PM:
" GOD is a thief!!! His agents? All thieves/pedophiles. Bring back the Devil... Easy fo see the Red Bugga..."da udder guys" hide behing black clothes. White collar criminals I say!"

Barney wrote on October 29, 2006 12:42 PM:
"...but then they got greedy and started killing each other. Then God gave it to the missionaries."

Arnie wrote on October 29, 2006 12:24 PM:
" And God gave Paradise to the locals. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 12:07 PM:
"Arnotts Lodge is also like the character you do not like in town. Same folks always "leading". Saw employee smoke ice in tool shed. Exploited-help-and-rude-treated-travelers. Pattie's Place Kona similar. Lets all BE aloha, not ACT aloha, common already. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 11:56 AM:
"Been on Oahu 10 years now-wow, must been 20-25 years ago, when Crysler had new cool six cylinder K-car front wheel drive in rental fleet, I would come back to a peaceful well functioning town, not yet without Strykers Force. Eric H., still weird?"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 11:49 AM:
"Kohola St or so, noticed almost all the letters needed to spell holocaust were on that street's name, across from where-all-the-dogs-bark, 10,000 dogs, I think, at lunch time. Any better there yet? Dope is o.k., it's just the people I do not cotton to very much."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 11:44 AM:
"Stayrd-at-cornor-of-"bakery-and-cable-company", that green-dope-house, ya know. How's Violet(?), that-girl that is very-timid, lived-in-a-tent out-back and raped-all-the-time by-the-preditors. She always-get-pregnant, no love and kids-taken-away. Abused-by-the most-of-'em. All she ever did to me was seek friend and brought cup of tea. WHO YOU???? She still o.k. or suckcumed to environment?"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 11:15 AM:
"Hilo was cool to me ten years ago. Papya on honor system in city on side street. Bringing rental cars around was fun. But never felt safe, I'm white, toooooo many BIG POOR INTENTIONED folks with stink eye and stick fists waiting to catch me unprotected. Wrong time-place=death/injury."

Hilo, Ku`u home hanau wrote on October 29, 2006 10:28 AM:
" "Hilo getting worse" Ever since Puna became the fastest growing area in the state, things seemed to go down hill. Puna not Hilo, IMO, is the breeding ground, .../ its dope culture/... for the cultural downfall in beautiful Hilo. "

Hilo, Ku`u home Hanau wrote on October 29, 2006 10:16 AM:
""Pits" Birds of a feather? You are missing out on a wonderful place/people. Change friends, maybe thats the cause of your displeasure with Hilo."

Steve wrote on October 29, 2006 9:17 AM:
" I don't think Shooters has gone downhill in the last 6 or 7 years, but it sounds like East Hawaii has. Green Harvest may have been the beginning of the end."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 8:20 AM:
"Roger suggested it, Stokes posted it, Dr. Tom Hip 'n Happy showing it FREE now you can get it "The Secret", ENJOY!!! http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=18055640&blogID=183848119&Mytoken=771D38C0-EDAB-447F-A4B2194A40FFE3A913024735"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 7:55 AM:
"What page is totaly GAY ... http://www.myspace.com/dalibor777 see how stupidity always exceeds brillence - duh !!!"

video about wrote on October 29, 2006 7:35 AM:
"There is a video available at islandbreezearts.com. This locally produced video tells truth about living 0n Big island!"

the pits wrote on October 29, 2006 7:34 AM:
"Hilo is the Pits for sure. I moved here two years ago.Everyone I meet is either an icehead or pot head or alcoholic or all three!Did I mention thief?"

Ex-tourist wrote on October 29, 2006 7:01 AM:
"Takahashi said he and the hotel operators have also pressed the county for a police substation on Banyan, where the unsafe atmosphere keeps tourists indoors at night. If I were a cop, I'd want hazard pay after 11 pm. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 12:26 AM:
"Totaly GAY !!! If your on a slow computer, turn of pictures and videos to get page text in fast. Open>Tool>Internet-Options>Advanced>Scroll>Multimedia>uncheck-boxes. Click on pictures and videos the text makes interesting. This page is HUGE !!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 29, 2006 12:15 AM:
"As-you-perceive-it-so-shall-your-receive-it. An instruction based in http://thesecret.tv (free on Google - Laws of Attractions - mentioned below)for an individual(s). Watched , got questions. Ask Roger, a proponent of video - what happened at Shooters using this video's ideas as filter to answer. How-should-I-go-about-my-blogs-in-the-future ??? "

Hilo is the pits wrote on October 28, 2006 11:14 PM:
"Locals ruin everything. They throw their trash everywhere and urinate all over. They kick their children,women and dogs. I hope they continue to riot and beat the crap out of each other. Enjoy your ice and liquor. Hooray for genocide!!!"

For your information wrote on October 28, 2006 11:08 PM:
"Shooters should be closed. Period. Liquor Board and Liquor Commission should be investigated. They are a bunch of illiterate imbeciles especially Janice Pakele. Who did she blow to get that job?"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 7:13 PM:
""See-the-crash-in-90-days or less, strike, go to the mountain during wars and rumors of wars. Good job basic math. Get plenty everthing but money and generosity. Historically that is a culture, less a people - jew culture. U jew me down, I jew you down > nothing left but the fight!!!!""

gay anti wrote on October 28, 2006 6:59 PM:
"It seems to me gays think this is a gay paradise. How wrong they are. There are more gays being harrassed than ius made public. Deep rooted gay haters are all around.Kehena beach is a good example as bad place for gays."

hilo is getting worse wrote on October 28, 2006 4:12 PM:
"ugh, no wonder no one wants to move to the big i! they'd rather leave other islands and take their chances on the mainland than deal with the ignorance that is overtaking hilo!too bad the ice heads make us all look bad"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 3:56 PM:
"All the King's whorses and all the King's clergy kin kept crack'n ole 'HUMPty' with a big fat grin !!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 3:50 PM:
"How many property and physical crimes how often against family, friends, tourist and seniors? Not counting daily explotations of your effots and labors by economy here."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 3:40 PM:
"""Police now expect trouble when a big event hits town" > "This is paradise and people want to live here." For the money, sell sizzle, not steak, can you say cliche. How is beamer safe in town, Roger-who banned me from thc website, "for a while"?""

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 3:28 PM:
"Through kindness, through affection, through honesty, through truth and justice toward all others we ensure our own benefit. This is not a matter for complicated theorizing. It is a matter of common sense. Daily Wisdoms http://experiencefestival.com"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 3:27 PM:
"Compassion is what makes our lives meaningful. It is the source of all lasting happiness and joy. And it is the foundation of a good heart, the heart of one who acts out of a desire to help others."

melelina wrote on October 28, 2006 12:27 PM:
" 1) These fights should be held during the day, or not at all! 2)'Shooters' should not open on the evening that these fights are held. 3) Why can't "thinking" people go straight home after an event, and drink with their family and friends? "

Concerned Tutu Kane wrote on October 28, 2006 11:53 AM:
" "E" Very good post. A person of compassion you must be. WE need folks like you in this society. Most certainly OUR Mo`opuna's do. TOO MUCH HATE these days! Can't blame it all on drugs. Mahalo"

E wrote on October 28, 2006 11:49 AM:
"As long as what others do doesn't harm or disrespect me or anyone else, it is none of our business what they do. Keep your ignorant, hypocritical morals and religious beliefs to yourselves. Live and let live."

E wrote on October 28, 2006 11:47 AM:
"I am not surprised that there is gay bashing here. People feel a need to tell others how to live, who to be. Mind your own business!"

E wrote on October 28, 2006 11:44 AM:
"Weaklings that don’t have the mental capacity to solve their problems otherwise. Weaklings that can not see that violence does nothing but cause more violence."

E wrote on October 28, 2006 11:44 AM:
"Homophobes are afraid that others will sense their sexual uncertainty, or will think that they are gay. Violent people are afraid to be thought of as soft, or to be exposed as the weaklings they really are."

E wrote on October 28, 2006 11:44 AM:
"There is a direct correlation between the gay bashing and the violence reported in this story in my opinion. Both attitudes are fear based."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 10:58 AM:
"Change, Campaign or go down drain ... http://zerotolerates.bravehost.com/"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 9:50 AM:
"Comes around goes around http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/36157/We_Have_Turned_Iraq_Into_The_Most_Hellish_Place_on_Earth"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 9:46 AM:
"It in the air, http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/36051/Israel_Fires_on_German_Ship"

KIM...OK wrote on October 28, 2006 9:44 AM:
" If its a more LIBERAL lifestyle you crave: ATA offers a great deal to Oakland...Hegenberger Rd., - 880 N, on to Emeryville- I-80 W....... SF ENJOY! Group rates are even better... We (Majority)like Hilo the way it is/was!! Bon voyage!"

KIM...OK wrote on October 28, 2006 9:38 AM:
" "progress needed" Your's is a minority position, as the recent P-election has shown. Hilo is still a beautiful place for most. Too conservative for you? Solution>cont."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 9:14 AM:
"Kick-grass blues, a safe way to kick butt, try it out, http://www.bellyup4blues.com/"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 9:05 AM:
"http://m-w.com rocks my world!!! Try this in emergencies, http://www.omnilang.com/ I'm waiting for Hawaiian Pidgeon to English myself !!!!! Peace, it a door to open and a room to walk into, no more fist de cuffs. Be GAY."

local girl wrote on October 28, 2006 8:32 AM:
"I have to agree! If only straight guys could learn a thing or two from gay guys this world would be a better place!"

punaboy wrote on October 28, 2006 8:29 AM:
"Why all the gay bashing? They have nothing to do with all this! They are atleast peaceful and dont cause violence and riots! us straight people need to learn from them on how to behave in public"

See the light wrote on October 28, 2006 8:12 AM:
"Locals learn by example. Government sets poor 'old world' example. Local kids turn to 'SPIKE(UFC)' and 'MTV' in a deperate attempt to be somebody. Monkey see, monkey do. Its be a Rapper, or be an ultimate fighter. Hilo needs more cultural events. "

Interesting wrote on October 28, 2006 7:18 AM:
"Admitting that there is a problem, and doing something about it. This IS NOT the answer - this fuels government to curtail freedoms. Innocents' are the only ones hurt. LOCAL's need to clean up they LOCAL act - become adults, not ignorant stuipd dumb people."

Interesting wrote on October 28, 2006 7:16 AM:
"1. Problem created by locals. 2. Reasons - Being poor, tourists, land stealing to build big business sutting down small local business, Crack, Ice, everything under the sun - EXCEPT......."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 28, 2006 12:11 AM:
"Worse then yesterday, in your face and up your butte: 54-year-old man alleging that he was threatened by a council member, allgeging CouncilRAT S. Higa as representitive of ..... and .... has .... will .... yada, yada, do-do."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 27, 2006 7:20 PM:
"Pajorative-word-now,-from-beautifuly-expressive-heritage.-See-what-you-miss-not-being-gay-1,2,3. Not-1,2,3=your-depressed-even-murderous/fighter.-Gay-4-is-personal-fine-experimental-sex.-Procreation/Family-values-one-hop-away,-make-the-leap! Pronunciation:-'gA, Function:-adjective, Etymology:-Middle+English,-from-Anglo-French=gai, of-Germanic-origin;-akin-to-Old-High-German=gAhi-quick,-sudden 1a:happily-excited:-MERRY=in-a-gay-mood b:keenly-alive-and-exuberant:having-or-inducing-high-spirits=a-bird's-gay-spring-song 2a:BRIGHT,-LIVELY-gay=sunny-meadows b:brilliant-in-color 3:given-to-social-pleasures;-also:LICENTIOUS 4a:HOMOSEXUAL=gay-men bf,-relating-to,-or-used-by-homosexuals=the-gay-rights-movement=a-gay-bar "

E wrote on October 27, 2006 7:14 PM:
"How quickly we go from condemning the violence to spreading it towards those different than ourselves. This tells all. If you can't live and let live, you are part of the problem."

unitedwestand wrote on October 27, 2006 6:21 PM:
"Gays are peacefull because they are nursing there butts from all the friction of their sick behavior!"

PUKI wrote on October 27, 2006 6:19 PM:
"I agree. Gays want preferential treatment. They have a tkeover attitude. They are sick and repulsive to say the best!"

gayhater wrote on October 27, 2006 6:18 PM:
"Gays took over Seattle. I move here to get away and BEHOLD the peckers are are over like cockroaches!"

gaybasher wrote on October 27, 2006 6:17 PM:
"To that gay guy wityh the comment. I wish all you gy bstards would leave the island. we had enough of you on mainland!"

ULULANI wrote on October 27, 2006 6:16 PM:
"HERE I AM AGAIN, HAHAHA....WHO WAS THOSE FRICKEN "KEIKI O KA AINA I KA PONOZ"..."SKEEDADDLEZ"...EVER SINCE I LEFT HILO, I HEAR THERES ALOT OF OUTSIDERS MOVING THERE! & MORE WORSE IF THEY ARE FROM HILO, HOW FRICKEN EMBARRASSING! "GET GOING YOU IDIOTS"..."

why blame others wrote on October 27, 2006 4:23 PM:
"if any of your children were there and involved do not put the blame on others...look at yourself because that is were they learn it. your children are you."

llortrm wrote on October 27, 2006 4:22
_________________

“When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon.” - Thomas Paine

[rainbowbeamer]

llortrm wrote on October 27, 2006 4:22 PM:
"We don't have this sort of problem at Gay Bars. What does that say about society?"

innocentbystander wrote on October 27, 2006 4:20 PM:
"Shooters has the most corrupt people working for them. They say that they are trying to keep things mellow when it's the Bouncers/Security that are causing half of the stuff that goes on there. I myself was pushed for no got damned reason by some big asshole who worked there."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 27, 2006 3:22 PM:
"Thank you Tard."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 27, 2006 2:24 PM:
"Hides-behind? n No, IN your face: Santa sleighs Halloween. You hear really that message from author ... And ... It's the most wonderful time of the year, for merchants Merry CHRISTmas, no - Masterful Helloween yep. So, so, sorry I'm aware - you cares ??? Peace, never, pieces always !!!"

your government wrote on October 27, 2006 2:03 PM:
"HI, THIS IS YOUR GOVERNMENT. WE WILL STAY IN HIDING UNTILL THIS BLOWS OVER AND THEN WE WILL GET BACK TO OUR BUSINESS OF HACKING UP THE ISLAND AND APPROVING NEW DEVELOPMENT. PLEASE DONT BOTHER US, WE CANT HEAR YOU"

jeremy in NYC wrote on October 27, 2006 1:36 PM:
"You all need to pressure your local government to take action and bring Hilo back to health..what a great place it could be for everyone"

WHATS NEW wrote on October 27, 2006 12:56 PM:
"I would have to agree with eddysmom...can't blame the Hilo folks...its those damn alcoholics that can't handle their crap. "

eddysmom wrote on October 27, 2006 12:38 PM:
"It is not low income or blaming Hilo's level of education. lolo's are everywhere! Mix Alcohol with Testosterone and that's what u get, no blame the Hilo folks, we Rock!"

Tard wrote on October 27, 2006 12:14 PM:
"Attend any kid's sporting event and listen to the parents to get an idea of how violence becomes the end all to their ignorance. "

Tard wrote on October 27, 2006 12:12 PM:
"This event is an example of the lack of character within this community. There are many who figure that fighting somehow settles whatever there own lack of self esteem is doing to their sense of what is right and what is wrong. It is an epidemic in this community. "

Andrew wrote on October 27, 2006 11:44 AM:
"As a former, and proud, Hilo resident. All I can say is it's a damn shame. If these people want to fight they should train to participate in the events. Not the after party."

too bad for you wrote on October 27, 2006 11:17 AM:
"quit complaining, I make money selling tickets to the fights, my friends make more money selling alcohol, who cares about your town, just shut up and give me your money"

WHATS NEW wrote on October 27, 2006 11:10 AM:
"Seriously...what's new in Hilo? Always fights...always stupid fights...all for what?...Nothing. As a ex-drinker...I'd have to say that I've seen my share of fights and of course it ends with someone getting hurt...so dumb. People now-a-days. No drink if no can hando!"

E wrote on October 27, 2006 11:06 AM:
"UFC style fights at night, alcohol... Nothing like throwing gasoline on a fire!"

get involved wrote on October 27, 2006 10:07 AM:
"take a minute and write an e mail to both the mayor and liqur conrol board. the adresses can be found on the county of hawaii government web page. thank you"

soap opera wrote on October 27, 2006 9:23 AM:
"godfather Higa and cronies send goons to attack citizen who has the audicity to take his picture at event sponsered by billionaire buddies, meanwhile, back at the ranch iceheads riot nightly. nero fiddled while rome burned."

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 27, 2006 9:12 AM:
"I have to agree!! Hilo is just busting to get out of its shell..it is and could be so much more!! "

governmentinaction wrote on October 27, 2006 8:57 AM:
"The people talk, the government doesnt listen, no response from a front page story of a riot and continuing bad situation in hilo town. Government too busy lining own pockets and giving relatives jobs ."

Free the baby! wrote on October 27, 2006 8:53 AM:
"Hilo's not a baby anymore. Its dieing to 'BUST OUT' and be something. Local government needs to shed fear. Stop trying to keep Hilo in the past. The old days are gone forever and thank GOD for that. Hilo CAN BE something great! Free the baby, its grown up now."

Bradda Bradda wrote on October 27, 2006 8:42 AM:
"These street fighters when sober they say to each other Howzit bra. give them six beers they say WHAT BRA, They like to fight send the to IRAQ and go beat down the insugeons, then watch the tails go between the legs."

Progress is needed wrote on October 27, 2006 8:30 AM:
"Kim may be Korean american, but his views and actions are deeply and sadly rooted in Japanese conservatism. Japanese have done for Hilo, but the days of keeping Hilo and its people in the closet are over. We need change. Hari Kari time for the local government mind. "

put some fear in them wrote on October 27, 2006 8:29 AM:
" get inspired from the martial arts competition to train to be like the competitors instead of causing riots. Work all day then train for sports guarantee that's enough for anybody. Troublemakers don't want to do anything good, don't try to help them, put them away!!"

SALLIE wrote on October 27, 2006 8:29 AM:
"HOW SAD!!! WHY YOU ALL BE SO VILOENT!!! STOP THE BOZ!!!FIGHTING,DO THIS IN THE DAY TIME,AND DO WE NEED THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY..PEACE,LOVE,ONE,ALOHA SPIRIT XX"

lock em up! wrote on October 27, 2006 8:28 AM:
"need more conservatism, not less. not poor thing, hard life, mother doesn't love you, no father, that's why you're causing trouble. Not we have to entertain you, you don't have enough to do. "

?? wrote on October 27, 2006 8:27 AM:
"Lock up bad guys & keep them locked up. Like the old days, then it would be safe."

?? wrote on October 27, 2006 8:27 AM:
"Mayor Kim Korean! problem is troublemakers. so much to do here not enough hours in day. where they get $ to go out? Welfare? Drug dealing? Prostitution? Think they work all day? trash people everywhere. Don't blame hilo. "

Heres a Penny wrote on October 27, 2006 8:18 AM:
"..."Dime" No need for racist comments. The Japanese have contributed as much, or more to this County, Islands, Country as any ethnic group has. For credibilitys sake, Mayor Harry Kim is Korean American. Blaming others solves what? Rioters= Idiots!"

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 27, 2006 8:14 AM:
"There could be other things put down there that could benefit Hilo! "

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 27, 2006 8:13 AM:
" close down shooters...it has brought more problems to Hilo then anything else. And move the low income houseing to a new better location, those are not good living conditions for anyone anway!"

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 27, 2006 8:06 AM:
"Security cameras would be great to! Catch all those idiots in action"

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 27, 2006 8:05 AM:
"I am originaly from Hawaiian Beaches, and thought it was so sad to c Banyon drive that way! show it to your local news!! it will push the govenment to get rid of the problem! "

1OHANA wrote on October 27, 2006 7:25 AM:
""THEFT AND GREED" AND "FOLLOW THE MONEY", ARE YOU EVER RIGHT!!! DEALERS, PROMOTERS, TAKAHASHI,KIMURA, TOGETHER. END RESULT, COURTS AND PRISONS. THE FEEDING FRENZIE IN HILO. PEOPLE, ARE BEING SET UP SO THOSE ABOVE CAN PLAY GOLF AND TRAVEL TOGETHER. AWAKEN "

Step up Tribune Herald wrote on October 27, 2006 7:03 AM:
"Lets hear the Tribune Herald rattle the government cage. Leave the cops and small business alone, quite putting them down. Go to the source you cowards. Throw some light on the ineptitude of local government. Make them accountable, stop the neglect of our city and people."

Roger lead NWO? wrote on October 27, 2006 6:29 AM:
"Roger is not a leader. If he's not careful, he will be having problems soon. Feds will hit with bang to make point. Local police have backed away and gave him space to hang himself."

theftandgreed wrote on October 27, 2006 6:05 AM:
"these islands are run like a turd world country, the same few families have their snouts in the public treasuery worse then hogs at the feeding trough. Then they play blame the haole in an effort to distract the locals"

Papi wrote on October 27, 2006 12:57 AM:
"Banyan Drive is really sad, and we all know it doesn't have to be this way. it's because local government is not hearing us. Remember to vote and throw them out of office! It's time for to sweep it clean. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 27, 2006 12:51 AM:
"World-too-full-of-military-coos for-justice, too-much-blood. Lets have an island-wide marijhauna-cookoo, just sticky-fingers and smiles. Bring a clock, set it at 4:20, remove-battery, do-not-wind. Chant here-here-here, then cough, here-here-here. Go religous, stay-in-church. Have-sex-if-bored. Bye frustrations."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 27, 2006 12:20 AM:
"Old boy never die until you make them . Go out on strike. The feds will either feed you or martial law you. I say feed. Your labor stays home, they go to bankruptcy court. Roger leads a new order. Or same Old kit. I cannot lead, just grumble now."

Folding $ wrote on October 26, 2006 11:14 PM:
"The mind of local government is frozen with MSG. They eat it because their parents ate it, they question it not. Their eyes are clouded by the past forever gone. They clutch dead flowers hoping to make them new. Die old boy, die."

agent of change wrote on October 26, 2006 10:47 PM:
"hilo has been in the grip of old boy network, but, with all of the new people,there are more of us then them.Let this be the catyalist to take control of county government. THROW THEM ALL OUT, Investigate the corruption, "

Heres a dime wrote on October 26, 2006 10:27 PM:
" "Blame Janice Pakele of the Liquor Board. She has always been on Shooters side. She will not allow remove their license. Her phone number is 895-3535. Malia works at Nichols Pubic Hse. Call the UFC promoter, or old Japaneese conservative mayor Harry Kim. "

call the feds wrote on October 26, 2006 10:25 PM:
"corrupttion too entrenched, a state or federal investigation is called for to clean up government in east hawaii"

Domino wrote on October 26, 2006 10:17 PM:
"...The newspaper should get the records... Shouldn't they check into 'County Club' too? If it weren't for County Club, where would the prostitutes go?"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 26, 2006 10:16 PM:
"Blame? Each should be responcipble to others in ways that love, sacrafice(other-kind-not Heaiu) and grace are appearent. Disipline less, teach more with forgiveness, enthusiasm. No more shortages for the many and riches to the few."

Little Ceaser wrote on October 26, 2006 10:13 PM:
"Police doing an excellent job in light of pay and credentials required for hire. Shooters did the 'right thing' that night. Blame ice and the UFC money grab. "

Resident of Country Club wrote on October 26, 2006 10:12 PM:
"The newspaper should get the records from the liquor board and the transcripts of the meetings pertaining to shooters bar and grill. It speaks volumes and they will see the corruption."

Resident of Country Club wrote on October 26, 2006 10:10 PM:
"Condo owners tried with a petition to close or limit shooter's hours a couple years ago. A special meeting was held by liquor board. What a joke. No one listened because everyone gets paid by shooters owner."

Malia wrote on October 26, 2006 10:07 PM:
"Blame Janice Pakele of the Liquor Board. She has always been on Shooters side. She will not allow remove their license. Her phone number is 895-3535. Perhaps you should call her instead of posting here."

Former resident of Country Club above Shooters wrote on October 26, 2006 10:04 PM:
"The police deserve Shooters since they have done nothing for years to help close that place. I guess a few more people will have to die first since no one will do anything to get rid of it. I saw first hand, so I know."

Papa John wrote on October 26, 2006 10:03 PM:
"Banyan Drive is sad, because local government lets it be that way. Throw the bums on the street with the ice heads!"

For your information wrote on October 26, 2006 10:00 PM:
"Go to the website tripadvisor.com and see what the tourist write about Country Club Hotel Condo on Banyan Drive...look back at all the comments going back years. It's bad, really bad. Very sad."

NOT A SURPRISE TO HEAR ABOUT THIS wrote on October 26, 2006 9:57 PM:
"Shooters fights and riots are common place...why is this a surprise to anyone...especially the police? Taxpayers pay for police to be there every night they are open. Not the bar owner."

New day comming soon wrote on October 26, 2006 9:56 PM:
"Current government won't allow change, they're scared of change. They grew up here, they don't know what to change to. They fear what they know not. Hilo needs minds not stuck in the past. Your parents days are dead and gone local government. Let go of the neck of Hilo."

Pupule wrote on October 26, 2006 9:55 PM:
""Beam..err" Someone should give you a nickel back. "Six cents" Nah!"

THE TRUTH wrote on October 26, 2006 9:54 PM:
"Shooters is a cancer on Banyan Drive that is malignant. The place should have been closed down long ago but money talks...the Liquor Board and Commission should be investigated. "

THE TRUTH wrote on October 26, 2006 9:51 PM:
"Country Club Hotel/Condo management is also involved with allowing this to continue. Kevin Aoki of Ala Kai Realty and its owner, who is on the Liquor Board makes sure that Shooters will never close."

Mo betta Solution wrote on October 26, 2006 9:50 PM:
" Re-locate "Shooters" to the old Mauna Kea Sugar site...Riot? Bar the Gates! Losers can be picked up (those that survive..."Uncle Jack ^")by the Coast Guard. Winners, LOCK UM UP! Pau!!"

THE TRUTH wrote on October 26, 2006 9:49 PM:
"This has been going on for years. Liquor Commission has been aware of it since the Rhoades sisters tried to petition them to close that hellhole. Ken Takahashi pays them well and their investigators."

hiloneedshelp wrote on October 26, 2006 9:38 PM:
"perhpas it's time to stop blaming clubs and start addressing the local government, from fights to ICE, it all exists because the local government allows it to!"

Old boy network wrote on October 26, 2006 9:36 PM:
"... Well, that's great for a certain segment of the population, but what about everyone else?" JAPANESE CONSERVATISIM MUST TAKE A SWORD TO ITS GUT. TIME TO MOVE ON PEOPLE. THE OLD DAYS ARE GONE ... FOREVER. "

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 26, 2006 9:34 PM:
"Hey Tony, its a hot time in the old town tonight. This thread is on fire, love it. Space age democracy, I'm getting my six cents worth here, the truth, ideas and action will follow. Get the kids out into this thread."

proposal wrote on October 26, 2006 9:31 PM:
"light up banyon drive put in police substation allow push cartmerchants vendor sto set up from 5 to 11 pm to provide jobs for the local economy and to be a draw for both tourists and locals"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 26, 2006 9:27 PM:
"Go Clark, its not a riot, its a loud disagreement! Thats not a war, it's a police action. Police fancified janitors removing trash headed folks, the body removals and call tow and clean up plastic. People report troubles, concerns to administrators, systems protect the money. NOT us the "represented"."

Exactly wrote on October 26, 2006 9:26 PM:
"Just about every activity in Hilo shuts down at 9pm. Well, that's great for a certain segment of the population, but what about everyone else?"

Exactly wrote on October 26, 2006 9:23 PM:
"Hilo IS full of potential and energy. It just needs to be channeled in the right direction. Would you rather Hilo be like some deadbeat midwest town where nobody has the energy to do anything?"

Klark Kent wrote on October 26, 2006 9:19 PM:
"Poor journalism at work here. Its not Shooters fault. Headline should have been more positive: "Police prevent riot on Banyan Drive." Newspaper is too dumb to empower the police. They would rather elicit fear from public. Keep the local conciousness down, way to go trib."

solution wrote on October 26, 2006 9:04 PM:
"on mainland,most cities track calls for police in or near each bar. repeated calls to police will require a change in business plan by bar or loss of license"

Create light wrote on October 26, 2006 8:59 PM:
"Cops did a great job. Shooters kept the bums out. Cops shouldn't have to deal with this juvinile bull. Hold UFC's during daytime. Host a Jazz Fest, or events with a higher meaning. Merrie Monarch is not enough. There could/should be something big and sweet happening every month in Hilo."

howitworksinhilo wrote on October 26, 2006 8:56 PM:
"Isnt an actual riot enough for the county commissioners to do something? make a statement? hold a special meeting? What will it take? mass rape and murder?"

Hilo's Had it already wrote on October 26, 2006 8:52 PM:
"Hilo is a GREAT THING waiting to happen. We could all benefit. The problem with the evolution of Hilo lies in the local government. We need people with 'VISION'. The 1950's aren't comming back! Hilo is LOADED with potential, local government is loaded with oldshit, vote the idiots out! "

where wrote on October 26, 2006 8:51 PM:
"where is the liquor control commission? not one peep out of them. I guess they are too busy harrassing nicols to worry about repeated riots outside the bar of one of their buddies"

Need new government mind wrote on October 26, 2006 8:43 PM:
"Yeah, hear that Mayor Kim? Get off your duff and do something for the locals. The problem with local government is they're stuck in old world thinking. Too much japaneese conservatisim. Its 2006 already!"

MAD AS HELL wrote on October 26, 2006 8:39 PM:
"Its time for the people of Hilo to take back their town from the drug scum, greedy business people and govt officials who turn a blind eye in exchange for money. enough is enough"

chondro wrote on October 26, 2006 8:37 PM:
"This country was founded on militias, trust laws government once created. Police can't protect our ohana from ice, then it's time we do . . . it's time to step up and DEMAND! The government listen, FORCE them to take action, FORCE them to serve us as they should!"

See the light! wrote on October 26, 2006 8:34 PM:
"Riots don't happen at downtown bars because they're 'lit up' with street lighting and have traffic. Banyan Drive is a dark scarry hole. Get off your asses councilmen."

Do something! wrote on October 26, 2006 8:30 PM:
"Hilo has a jewel in Banyan Drive, but local goverment is too stupid to make it into something. Hilo needs an 'it' place for tourists. Light up and clean up Banyan Drive morons!"

RIOTS wrote on October 26, 2006 8:29 PM:
"riots always hapen at shooters, not downtown bars. why? because downtown bars dont cater to scumfor a clientel. shooters IS the cause because they choose to be the drug bar."

Lazy/dumb councilmen wrote on October 26, 2006 8:26 PM:
"Why isn't Banyan Dr lit up with mega watts of night light? The hotels there should lobby for more street lighting, make that strip a place to go at night and feel safe for locals and tourists. Theres a power plant right down the street, bring it on!"

Hari Kim wrote on October 26, 2006 8:19 PM:
"Yes, Red Carpet was mellow. Those were the days before ice. Local govenrment doesn't want pot, it wants ice and BEAT DOWNS."

what waiting for? wrote on October 26, 2006 8:13 PM:
"waiting for someone to die? wait,people already have,and still government does nothing. why?"

bldhd wrote on October 26, 2006 7:56 PM:
"The main problem is the beatdown event. It happens in other places too. When you have that type of event it draws that type crowd. If Shooters is a frequent problem, close it. Thats the tourist district. Issue Tasers to police. They work. Less injuries to police and defendants."

Tony wrote on October 26, 2006 7:51 PM:
"Believe me, all it takes is a good cover charge at any club. If it wasn't at a club it would be at our retaurant, or down at 4-miles. More laws and more police aren't the answer. More business' that-offer-alternate-places-to-go Saturday Night. Alternatives to ICE."

ULULANI wrote on October 26, 2006 7:43 PM:
"OH YEH NOW LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS...HAHAHAHA. I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW WHO I AM. ONE & ONLY!!! GET THIS FRICKEN KEIKI-O-KA-AINAZ OUT OF OUR LOUNGES & HOME WHERE THEY BELONG!I WAS THERE BACK WHEN IT WAS "RED CARPET"...& IT WAS MELLOW, I MEAN MELLOW....."

countygovernmentcorrupttion wrote on October 26, 2006 7:42 PM:
"why doesnt the liquor controlcommission step in? Its not complicated, justclose shooters at thesame time as theother bars, thats all it would take, but, then again, who is makingmoney off this?"

How's This? wrote on October 26, 2006 7:38 PM:
"Knowing there'll be problems like this after certain events, maybe they should call up extra officers beforehand- from Kona-side if necesary- and have them posted all over. Area bars, hotels, etc. should hire extra security on those nights as well."

rainbow-boner wrote on October 26, 2006 7:20 PM:
"They should pass out s at the UFC fights, then they wouldn't have any trouble after. Its the ICE that's boiling these people over."

Tony wrote on October 26, 2006 7:18 PM:
"Poor education, poor income, poor jobs, high cost real estate + nothing else to do = Boredom, drugs, fighting and crimes. That is Hilo, got to be able to handle, or go to jail."

Tony wrote on October 26, 2006 7:14 PM:
"Hilo needs more events and more places to go to. We don't need the tourists in Hilo, or they would fix the breakwater and clean out the polution in the Bay. All the hotels go condo/apt after a while."

Tony wrote on October 26, 2006 7:12 PM:
"What rainbow you just sit on these posts don't you "

Tony wrote on October 26, 2006 7:11 PM:
"The problem also has to do with the fact that there are only two places left in town where people dance. Still, dancing only works so long because the same people come."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 26, 2006 7:11 PM:
"Finger of officials pointing back at the auditorium fight, sponserd and taxed and backed by and in law. A real New World Order Trip. The protection of government never comes through in NWO administrations. Love comes from beating down all day. lets keep that pot illegal ok boys ???"

Tony wrote on October 26, 2006 7:10 PM:
"Now it is ICE. If these guys could just use a safer drug like pot, then they would stay home and bother no one. Crime rates of larceny and car theft #3 in Nation. Because of green harvest and th coruption of stronger drugs.$$$"

Tony wrote on October 26, 2006 7:08 PM:
"16 years ago a police officer was killed, how many years before that, I don't think so. It was after Green Harvest and the introduction of Crack Cocaine."

I'm a Lawyer wrote on October 26, 2006 7:03 PM:
"The UFC events should be held during the day."

I'm a Lawyer wrote on October 26, 2006 7:02 PM:
"Some people are missing the facts. If you read the story, it says Shooters turned the thugs away. They got liquored-up at Mikeys first, then it closed, they went to Shooters and couldn't get in. Praise Shooters."

locololo wrote on October 26, 2006 5:24 PM:
"I lived in the Country Club above Shooters. This is not a new problem. How about some sobriety checks on both sides of Shooters on Banyan Drive between midnight and 3 a.m. every weekend. Take away their licenses, put 'em in jail."

GladILeft wrote on October 26, 2006 4:52 PM:
"There is nothing to do in Hilo so idiots go out and cause trouble and think they tough. Grow up people, like previousily mention, it wasn't the younger generation, its the lolo's that think they still in high school"

Jason wrote on October 26, 2006 4:52 PM:
"Yeah,Banyon is not a nice place after dark. Put these thugs in Jail I pay taxes put my money to good use This is a joke. ICE KILLS SP DO DRUNKS "

hilonokaoi wrote on October 26, 2006 4:49 PM:
"good,great comments. now--action. people of the community--if you Blieve, do something 'bout it. unite and & take this matter seriously.You are the first step to 'hilonokaoi'. Take this matter to the gov't. (petitions,lobbying, etc but w/dignity)"

buggo wrote on October 26, 2006 4:40 PM:
"They put cameras in Waikiki and crime dropped dramatically. It seems that even idiots will behave better if they know that they might be on camera. Also arrest people for being under influence of ice!"

Former Big Island Resident wrote on October 26, 2006 4:24 PM:
"AS a former Big Island resident there is no incentive to return to my former home. This is not Hawaii. This is the jungle of Chicago"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 26, 2006 4:20 PM:
"Oh, k-den, if-the-beamer-so-lolo, what word for the people's behavior here with-the-paychecks going-out for a strole-on-the-town. Cowboy were not much better. Perpetuating a-chance-for-a-random-death-in-the-family and everybodys-sorry-later, not really, thats how you get some-a-head."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 26, 2006 3:53 PM:
"Wish you all wrote this much on the underpaid and over layed women story. Desperation, power ambitions and stupidity in place of equality leads to conflict. Write'em , be-right-then or go fight each other for bandaids. Get something."

EdenRoc wrote on October 26, 2006 3:52 PM:
"The "Ultimate fighting" event offered an entertainment outlet for the people, but then the violent frustrations get vented over on Banyan as reflection of the pent up frustration....I think anyway?"

EdenRoc wrote on October 26, 2006 3:47 PM:
"This stuff goes back to all the historical events that have set up a disenfranchised local population. Places like this require more effort than other places to rise above."

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 26, 2006 3:46 PM:
"Eh, Rudeney - Why can't we all just get-a- !!! Hey Rodney why-can't-we-all-just-get-along !!! I think its the cats, wussy ones, not get enough or something. Put out more, its a matter of pubslic safety. Frustrated, yeah that's entertainment."

EdenRoc wrote on October 26, 2006 3:42 PM:
"The social ills of the "Big I" are played out and displayed in incidents like this. It is complex and goes way back. The fix wouldnt be simple or easy."

gone2hell wrote on October 26, 2006 3:27 PM:
"This town has gone to hell! Dont blame the outsiders! The locals are just frustrated and taking it out on everyone. Too much ice!"

tired wrote on October 26, 2006 3:24 PM:
"Shooters i historically one bug troublesome place. Cannot wait until it closes its doors."

issues/nyc wrote on October 26, 2006 3:17 PM:
"As for paying off police, you must know the mainland is more crooked than crooked.I know,I've been there.They've got child nolesters in office.Bar or not that area is not safe for anyone.Poor lighting and lack of police makes for a dangerous situation for anyone.Everyone is to blame."

issues wrote on October 26, 2006 3:13 PM:
"We are all adults.Not everyone knows how to act like one.Can't handle your alcohol than stay home and drink better there than killing someone on the road and maybe even yourself.Sometimes the adults is worse than the kids.Alcohol makes people strong."

issues/nyc wrote on October 26, 2006 3:05 PM:
"Yes it is about money, like outsiders who take the land to make more construction that shuts down small buissness people,take our jobs,overcrowd our tiny island make poor people homeless and hungry,to benefit there pockets.So don't put down the bar owner,hes just trying to make a living!"

issues wrote on October 26, 2006 2:53 PM:
"I stood by and watched a bar tender sell alcohol to an already falling down drunk.That same night not even an hour later this same man slamed into my car almost sending it rolling running from the seen of the accident.Thank god I don't drive drunk.They never found him!"

issues wrote on October 26, 2006 2:45 PM:
"Stick to the issue at hand!A bar with small accomadations that can't handle patrions.Bar tenders should not sell alcohol to people appearingly drunk.They should be escorted out the door,put in a cab or police car if they prefer and sent home. "

To jeremy from nyc and llotrm wrote on October 26, 2006 2:37 PM:
"I guess you've never been poor.And this is not about the poor or low income!Go home!llotrm what makes you think the people was from puna?Stop knocking puna people!You need to go home too!This is the kind of bad remarks that start trouble,put alcohol behind it and you got a riot!"

CATHY wrote on October 26, 2006 1:54 PM:
"POOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE ABOVE SHOOTER MORE SO POOR TOURIST......SHAME ON YOU WHO DECIDED LETS PROVE OUR POINT WITH A FIST....NEXT WEEKEND STAY HOME!!!!!!"

suggestion.. wrote on October 26, 2006 1:44 PM:
"To howitworksinhilo; You gotta make more noise. Take it higher, get hotel managers and employees, and get the NEWS to come. I think they would love to do a story like this. How can HIlo move forward, if they dont get rid of the corruption?"

suggestion... wrote on October 26, 2006 1:41 PM:
"Its really sad to say the least that people have to cause a riot and a mini Waikiki but no substation and no-one wanting to listen to the PUBLIC!!! PUBLIC SAFETY...I know there is no manpower, so maybe its time to get that bar out of that location.."

suggestion wrote on October 26, 2006 1:39 PM:
"Takahashi. I think a good point was brought up. You should move your bar somewhere else. It disturbs the tourist industry and it doesnt leave a good vibe on that street. "

EXAMPLE wrote on October 26, 2006 1:33 PM:
""BJ Penn fights because everything else is boring"!! I love him but guys.... "Dat's HILO for you"!!!"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 26, 2006 1:27 PM:
"More in context - Show these ARTS? and fight on and then expect these WWUI guys to go out and make love to each other. O.K. I'll try, I get hope. Quick send in the s, the opiumated ones, emergency rescue needed. "

local color wrote on October 26, 2006 1:24 PM:
"Its so nice that we maintain a late night gathering spot for the ice heads and criminals. It lets the tourists experience the "real" hilo"

fact wrote on October 26, 2006 1:20 PM:
"People stay in hilo and banyon drive because they have to, not because they want to. A HUGE part of what makes hilo an undesireable location is what happens around Shooters"

rainbowbeamer wrote on October 26, 2006 1:17 PM:
"Go Rebs, experiencing tension down there "A". Remember the Star Spangled Banner - may the best Patriot win !!!"

Hiloan wrote on October 26, 2006 1:10 PM:
"I agree with "Formerly from Hilo." Maybe this will pressure some Councilmen to do something. Or does someone have to die for anything to be done? What are you waiting for."

Formerly from Hilo wrote on October 26, 2006 1:08 PM:
"Somebody....please call KHON, KITV, KGMB and get it on the news. I believe this will be the only way to end these type of situations. Embarass the **** out of Hilo. "

llortrm wrote on October 26, 2006 1:01 PM:
"Apparently... Puna in the house!"

obey the law wrote on October 26, 2006 12:58 PM:
"do an inspection for health and building code requirements and shooters would be out of business. what a dump!"

follow the money wrote on October 26, 2006 12:52 PM:
"Its evident that shooters adds nothing to value to hilo. All you get is noise and crime in what should be the crown jewell of the town. There is no place to eat or socialize and because of shooters people who stay there are imprisoned in their rooms "

Dreg's of Society wrote on October 26, 2006 12:26 PM:
" Did you stop this recent "riot?" Talker? Know any of the participants? Patrons of Nichol's? Phfft! To bad retroactive abortion isn't possible."

EdenRoc wrote on October 26, 2006 12:26 PM:
"And then the truth is never told to the tourists how often they are assaulted in this area and how dangerous it is....and its a gem of an area."

Unique to Hilo wrote on October 26, 2006 12:24 PM:
"This is the only place ive ever seen that locates a loud after hours low life bar in the heart of its hotel and tourist district. Great planning there folks!"

EdenRoc wrote on October 26, 2006 12:22 PM:
"How about a jail addition on the Shooters structure....convenient."

Drege's of Society wrote on October 26, 2006 12:21 PM:
" "dont go to shooters" Didn't take long for someone to blame the Cops. George Bush next? Did you know Ronnie Jitchaku? I did. Great guy, good Cop. Died in that area dealing with the same kind of TRASH. "

proud wrote on October 26, 2006 12:20 PM:
"go down banyon drive any night after the bar closes. what you will see is public urination, fights, people milling around in the street. It adds so much to the impression of Hilo. It also makes it almost impossible to sleep in any of the hotels."

EdenRoc wrote on October 26, 2006 12:19 PM:
"Wow! Banyan Drive and Shooters..."The Mad Max Zone" CREEPY"

idontgotoshooters wrote on October 26, 2006 12:14 PM:
"That's the reason I don't go to shooters. Nichol's is on the verge of being shut down for noise complaints, but Shooters has riots and nothing is done. Who pays the cops?"

Kimo wrote on October 26, 2006 12:12 PM:
"Idiot+Alcohol=Drunk Idiot.Basic math. Cameras would help identify troublemakers in the future. It would also help to close em down at midnight."

fed up wrote on October 26, 2006 12:05 PM:
"if you look at the ages of those arrested for the listed offenses, they were not youg people, they were in their thirties, how shame is that, can't even act your age! come on people lets get real and enjoy life nit throw it down the drain! "

kapua wrote on October 26, 2006 12:03 PM:
"Same old' Same Ol" Print another article, not 4 days later, with all the names of those arrested. That should give them a little shame."

Dreg's of Society wrote on October 26, 2006 12:02 PM:
" "Hey! at least they will be NO SMOKING in the bar shortly. Council members can't solve more than one problem at a time. Stacey there? Cut them some slack! Build a garbage dump, you get garbage! Close the !! God Bless Ronnie J. "

fed up wrote on October 26, 2006 11:59 AM:
"maybe they shouldn't check these peoples I.D. as they enter the establishment but maybe they should check their I.Q.!! My 5 year old son can act more civilized than these people who just can't handle their alcohol."

hilorain having a bad day? wrote on October 26, 2006 11:59 AM:
"Why so negative? You could have read the Advertiser and never heard about it at all. Should KHON have sent in a live crew? Or are you just grumpy and taking it out on message board?"

why pay? wrote on October 26, 2006 11:50 AM:
"why pay tax payer dollar to police to clean up mess and riot just so one bar can make money selling booze that makes riot?"

Hilo Girl wrote on October 26, 2006 11:50 AM:
"What is the reason?"

there is a reasonThere is wrote on October 26, 2006 11:39 AM:
"there is a reason that these riots always take place at shooters and not other locations. "

Hilo Girl wrote on October 26, 2006 11:37 AM:
"...and we wonder why there isn't events going on in Hilo. HELLO! Its because of idiots like these people who ruin it for others. Hilo cannot handle UFC fights. The town is too small and so are the brains of these people."

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 26, 2006 11:35 AM:
"That area of town could be a much more High End residential area if it could be cleaned up!!Alot more money for Hilo"

fedup wrote on October 26, 2006 11:32 AM:
"GOOD JOB POLICE OFFICERS, KEEPING COOL IN SUCH A BAD SITUATION WHO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE RESULT OF POOR SELF CONTROL BY A FEW INDIVIDUALS WHO SPOIL IT FOR IT ALL. WHY CANT PEOPLE GO OUT AND HAVE A GOOD TIME? ALWAYS GOTTA FIGHT?"

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 26, 2006 11:31 AM:
"And get rid of the low income buildings around that area! It would make the place look decent and beautify the area"

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 26, 2006 11:30 AM:
"Moving shooters to a location with a decent parking lot sounds like the answer! And hold events during the day! "

End Beat Down! wrote on October 26, 2006 11:28 AM:
"Shooters is not the problem, its these assinine fight events. Hilo's not the place for them."

Tourist wrote on October 26, 2006 11:26 AM:
"When is 'Beat Down 4'? So we know when not to come to Hilo."

closeshooters wrote on October 26, 2006 11:22 AM:
"revoke the liquor license, enforce every possible ordinance . Shooters is a blight on the community. The business adds nothing positive to hilo it is in fact a public nusince"

Cause: wrote on October 26, 2006 11:21 AM:
"The kids in Hilo obviously can't handle the energy they get from an UFC fight. Maybe hold them only in Kona or during the daylight hrs, or not at all."

Why? wrote on October 26, 2006 11:16 AM:
"Why does a city allow a situation to continue like this for so long? Who allows this? who benefits from this? who is getting paid off?"

Solutions wrote on October 26, 2006 11:14 AM:
"1. limit hours of operation, if most problems occur at 2 am close shooters at midnight 2. If problem is parking, then shooters should be moved to area with parking its not rocket science"

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 26, 2006 11:02 AM:
"For non residents or tourist! That would take care of the problem"

jeremyfrom NYC wrote on October 26, 2006 11:02 AM:
"Why dont you block the roads up and charge a fee to enter after a certain hour. That will keep the bums out!"

MauiViewer wrote on October 26, 2006 10:35 AM:
"Wow, everyone thinks they are UFC...too much violence, drugs and alcohol...Bum fights right in Hilo... "

hilorain wrote on October 26, 2006 10:23 AM:
"Nice to have "news" reported four days later. Maybe they should change the name to the Hawaii Tribune Herald oldspaper."

howitworksinhilo wrote on October 26, 2006 10:14 AM:
"The area around shooters IS a magnet for every sort of trouble imaginable, including murder, for over twenty years. Another bar had a few noise complaints and was almost shut down, shooters has continuing riots and NOTHING IS DONE EXAMPLE OF THE CORRUPTION AND GOOD OLD BOYS NETWORK "
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Schools look to curb violence

Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:34 AM HST



Officials searching for creative ways to stop bad behavior from students

by Bret Yager
Tribune-Herald Staff Writer


Editor's note: This is the third installment in a three-day series of articles examining the rising violence in Hawaii Island schools.

Big Island schools administrators don't appear to be sitting back and ignoring bad student behavior.

Many have launched anti-bullying campaigns, created school safety task forces and worked to get students to accept differences that can lead to violence.

Administrators say the measures have already made schools safer, and they're hopeful that getting kids involved in the process will help promote a new, healthier mindset toward violence At Keaau Middle School, violence jumped from 83 incidents to 126 incidents per 1,000 students from 2003-04 to 2004-05.

Idle kids on lunch break were mixing it up with newcomers, said school Principal Jamil Ahmadia, so administrators decided to take the bull by the horns. Keaau Middle opened the gyms during all recesses and launched intramural sports programs staffed by teachers volunteering their time.

The result?

"The campus is so different this year than in the past; you can feel it when you come here," said Ahmadia, who oversees just under 600 students and estimates that violent incidents are down 50 percent since 2005.




Keaau Middle began an open-door policy, encouraging parents to sit down with their kids and meet the teachers, along with bringing athletes to school to talk to kids about sports and ways to steer clear of trouble.

"We feel that parent involvement is essential to student behavior," Ahmadia said.

He hopes to soon implement a Saturday school for kids prone to violence. His administration is also considering a revised discipline plan in which parents shadow their kids during the time that they are suspended, rather than removing kids from school outright.

At Kohala High, Principal Catherine Bratt hasn't suspended one student in her 16 years at the Kapaau school of 289 students. She prefers a community-based approach to intervention and thinks it has helped her school, but says that each class has its unique characteristics that may show up in violence reports. She doesn't think Kohala High is large enough to reflect accurately in the annual trend statistics. Violent incident citations at the school dropped by half at Kohala High from 2003-04 to 2004-05.

"It was a really quiet year. We had about 12 fights involving 25 kids," Bratt said. "We're small, we work hard at personalizing our relationship with students. Security, counselors, nurses, teachers, everyone, is assigned a mentor group. We meet twice a month, and one of our goals is to establish that each youngster on campus has an adult with whom they are on a one-to-one basis and feel comfortable."

The school has weekly peer review, a security person who grew up in the community and six teachers who are Kohala graduates. The school works to confront violent behavior both through discipline and counseling, Bratt said, and an anti-bullying program was launched in 2000 at the elementary school level to catch kids before negative behavior develops.

PREVENTION AT HOME OR IN SCHOOLS?

While some frustrated parents say a lethargic school bureaucracy is doing nothing useful to solve violence problems, Konawaena High parent Debbie Hedemann says you can't blame the schools.

"So now we're asking our schools to raise our kids?" she asked.

It sounds like a cliche, but the best violence prevention may start at home with a change in family attitudes, Hedemann believes.

"I would ask parents to sit down and ask their kids, 'Was there a fight at school today?'" Hedemann said. "'What did you do about it? Did you avoid it? Did you help this fight?'"

"I know the vice principals at this school are working really hard," she said. "We've started an anti-bullying program especially for ninth-graders. I think we're really trying at our school. It has calmed down, programs are in place, and I think the school is good at following Chapter 19."

Chapter 19 is the section of the state administrative rules that governs school violence reporting, student misconduct and discipline.

Hawaii County Prosecutor Jay Kimura said a recent study on juvenile crime in the county pinpoints four problem areas: family conflict, family management, early antisocial behavior and easy access to drugs.

Kimura has worked with the Office of Youth Services and the Office of Juvenile Justice, helping to create anti-bullying programs. He advocates more interagency cooperation and has told school officials he's working with the attorney general's office for greater sharing of data from the juvenile justice system so a clearer picture can develop of the situation in the districts.

Superintendent of Education Patricia Hamamoto agrees that prevention programs, mentors, plus better tracking and documentation of the incidents and responses are needed.

"Unless it's a concerted, unified, focused effort by all, making a dent isn't going to happen," Hamamoto predicted at a May safety roundtable.

Billy Kenoi, assistant to Mayor Harry Kim, has some pointers that hearken from his days as a tough youth on the streets.

"When kids feel they're getting a chance, they work hard and make good decisions; they avoid the shortcuts, the need to belong, the gang activity," he said.

Kenoi wants to see more after-school programs and ways for kids to attend them. Youths in rural areas have no transportation to and from activities that might help them stay out of trouble.

He'd love to see parks and gyms as safe havens open at night, and buses running so kids can access the services and get home safely.

"Reduce the risk factors: drugs, domestic violence, gang activity and the availability of firearms," he said. "Increase protection factors: mentoring, positive and drug-free recreational activities, safe places kids can go after school and experience something positive. Include transportation to those services."

Schools have made strides, he says, but they can't be complacent. At the Farrington Complex on Oahu, he says, gang-prevention programs received attention and funding until the incidents dropped, then the funding dried up. Now, gang violence is resurfacing.

Some parents want a bigger hammer, saying more professional security guards and police on campus would help curb violence.

"We don't really have professionally trained security," said parent Randall Yamabe, referring to Konawaena High's sprawling campus. "It's hard for the two officers we have to cover the amount of ground we have."

After watching a disabled child get kicked in the face and stomach on the street between Hilo High and Hilo Intermediate this month, Margaret Sevilla feels the same way.

"Security couldn't see or understand what was going on because there are too many kids," she said. "We need more security officers."

Others believe schools shouldn't be prisons, that finger-pointing will accomplish nothing, and that it's just terrible when people predict something awful is bound to happen here.

"I say, don't say that," said Hedemann, who shudders at the thought of the kind of bloodshed that has wracked some mainland schools recently. "It's not like that on the Big Island."

Bret Yager can be reached at byager@hawaiitribune-herald.com.



Violence-Therpy: Strike one - diagnosised, outpatient in Mental-Health-System; Strike two - remediating inpatient earning outpatient points in Mental-Health-System; Strike three - Mandantory 20 years as Marine/Army draftee with new momma, Drill Sargent and death-at-war (advertion therpy) !!!
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“When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon.” - Thomas Paine

[rainbowbeamer]

Violence-Therpy:

Strike one - diagnosised, outpatient in Mental-Health-System;

Strike two - remediating inpatient earning outpatient points in Mental-Health-System;

Strike three - Mandantory 20 years as Marine/Army draftee with new momma, Drill Sargent and death-at-war (advertion therpy) !!!
_________________

“When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon.” - Thomas Paine