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Police killed in Canada drug raid
It is the worst single case of police deaths in more than 100 years
Four Canadian police officers have been killed during a drug raid in rural Alberta, in the west of the country.
Members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police had been searching for cannabis on a small farm near the city of Edmonton in a routine investigation.
Officials say the owner of the farm also died in the incident, near the village of Rochfort Bridge.
Regional RCMP commander Bill Sweeney said it has been 120 years since Canada has seen an incident like this.
"The loss of four police officers is unprecedented in recent history in Canada, and I'm told you have to go back to about 1885 in the RCMP history, during the north-west rebellion, to have a loss of this magnitude," he said.
"It's devastating."
Prime Minister Paul Martin called it an act of "brutality" and offered his condolences to the families of the dead officers. Details of what happened on the farm near Rochfort Bridge are unclear.
Police say the four junior officers were searching for a suspected cannabis-growing operation on a small rural farm.
While they were there, reports say, the farm owner began firing at them with a rifle.
The officers were found dead in a large steel shed, along with another man.
A government source told The Canadian Press news agency that the suspect killed himself after shooting the officers.
Cannabis laws
Police in Alberta have been cracking down on illegal cannabis "grow-ops" that have sprung up across the province.
The shooting could also raise some awkward political questions for the government in Ottawa.
Mr Martin has announced plans to loosen laws on cannabis possession.
Critics have warned his plan could increase illegal cannabis production.
"The issue of grow-ops is not a ma-and-pa industry as we've been seeing for a number of years," RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli told the AP news agency.
"These are major serious threats to our society and they are major serious threats to the men and women on the frontline who have to deal with them."
Until now many Canadians have tolerated cannabis production as merely a minor nuisance, says the BBC's Ian Gunn in Vancouver.
This shooting during a cannabis raid will likely reignite the debate and perhaps force the government to rethink its more liberal approach to the drug.
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You hear about this?? Force the government to rethink its more liberal approach?? My God.. 5 people dead, for what - some flowers!!
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| Notice no mention of canibus actualy being found on the property. Sunds like thay are blaming anibus even thout it was not there |
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People tragically die attempting to enforce the unenforceable...and the first reaction is, to toughen up and make the laws even tighter.
How many police officers have died raiding wheat fields or apple orchards?
None. Perhaps this has something to do with wheat and apples being legal.
Just perhaps.
Bliss on,
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Tis indeed a sad business.
Of course they're oporating on the assumption that it's actually possible to enforce these draconian laws.
I guess they would have to first suspend disbelief...something not too hard for these particular "law enforcement officials"!
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People know what good medicine is. How dare the governments try and tell us it isnt. Every medicine comes from plants. Only the darkest evil satan himself is behind this prohibition.
God wasnt wrong in creating it. The millions of people who use it arnt wrong either. We've tryed your poisenus meds Mr President. THEY KILL!!
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This sucks! As a Canadaian, I am truely saddened by the things that have transpired.
Here is the story as heard on the news as of last night.
The porpoerty had already been lawfully searched, and cannabis was found.
The warrant was executed in the late hours apparently, as the 4 RCMP officers who were shot had been there through the night to "keep an eye on the residence". The shoot out happened while the officers were readying for a shift change and the removal of the evidence when the gunman snuck up behind them, and opened fire.
As of the news last night, the names of the officers had not been released, and the head of the entire RCMP gave a press release and official statements for what was known or allowed out at the time.
This is a sad day for cannabis users all over my great nation. I say so because, like policemen or not, the standards that cannabis is going to be looked at will change. The attitudes of law enforcement everywhere, concerning cannabis specifically, will stay the same and/or worsen. If this had been a great big "meth"-lab, or something harmful, then I'd be saddened only by the needless loss of life, however, it is so much more than that now.
In canada, I believe we took a step backwards last night, and we didn't even try to walk.......
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I believe we took a step backwards last night, and we didn't even try to walk.......
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Maybe so, but only temporarily because you can't keep a good thing down
Give it its due process and cannabis will rise to the top  it is inevitable...right? 
Peace,
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I want to truely believe that I will see this in my time. Untill these acts happened, it WAS going to happen. It will still happen, but I don't believe I'll see it now.
Let's hope your right and I'm completely wrong!
Here's on a leaf, and a prayer......
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| Notice no mention of canibus actualy being found on the property. Sunds like thay are blaming canibus even thout it was not there |
You nailed it, shaudes. There was no mention of cannabis on the search warrant, which centered on a stolen pickup truck.
There was NO CANNABIS RAID.
Bliss on,
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| Notice no mention of canibus actualy being found on the property. Sunds like thay are blaming canibus even thout it was not there |
You nailed it, shaudes. There was no mention of cannabis on the search warrant, which centered on a stolen pickup truck.
There was NO CANNABIS RAID.
Bliss on,
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HELLO!!!!??? I live in canada and told you guys outright that the article you have IS flawed. OUR Local papers even have pictures of the RCMP comming out of the property with plants.....not the greatest looking either, the stalks weren't even as think as the cops thumb....and I couldn't see a single BUD on the plants at all....But the guy who's property they were searching was "a known violent cop-hater" and the newspaper quoted it just like that.....and the RCMP sent in 4 innexperienced cops to execute the warrant to search the property......in the search executed cannabis was found......maybe not the original searched for item, but there and found none the less.......They apparently had no reason to expect that this man would have opened fire?
Apparently not, you know with him being a "known VIOLENT COP-HATER" and all!!!!!!!!!!!
The even sadder thing is, this is the single most largest loss of RCMP forces at one time in over 102 years. SOMEONE's gonna get in some serious trouble over this one.
Now for the saddest point of all:
The newspapers and tv news have taken the attitude I expected earlier that they would. They have made this out to be the Cannabis user's and grower's faults almost solely.....the last days in the paper have been all about busting grows, how grows can be anywhere, literally, and the terrors of grow op violence and such! It's crap, we're gettin it hard in the news up here.
If only they'd realize that PROHIBITION of cannabis, and not cannabis is what is truely the means to the violence associated with cannabis aand her growers.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: Write to newspapers. |
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http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/
has a whole lot of news coming in from Canada on this issue.
It is a good time to get letters to editors, especially Canadians.
It is pure ignorance that prohibitionists will think the way to stop it is to increase the punishments...
but if that were the case, the U. S. would be ride of cannabis...
If cannabis were to blame for people killing people there would be trails accross North America.
Remember when New York made it (like) a death penalty to sell heroin about 20 years ago??? People would just kill an officer to escape because the penalty wasn't any worse... So they stopped that.
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A glimmer of hope has risen from these ashes!
MOST of the governmental left and rights are currently making GUN CONTROL the issue, and not cannabis cultivation, as was previously feared by this canadian minister.........
In hopes that the government "sees" prohibition for what it's worth!
ps// I've decided that I'm going to print off hundreds of those MPP pamphlets I DL'd the other day. Then, under the skirt of night, I am going to put one in every mailbox, and on every windshield I can find......then maybe a daytime walk through the shopping mall parking lot.......
I think if we all try........it'll help. It makes prohibition the issue and not the legalization of cannabis or even the decriminalization of medical cannabis..(or at least not exactly, I feel the prohibition issue is still a different issue all together still)
Rev. Anthony
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:52 am Post subject: Media Duped on Dope Story |
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Media Duped on Dope Story By Ben Rayner
CN Source: Toronto Star March 12, 2005
As Canada nears the end of its media-imposed mourning for the four unfortunate RCMP officers killed in Alberta last week, it might finally be time to call the nation's police officials out for their duplicitous appropriation of the shootings as ammunition in the war on drugs.
In no way should this be taken as disrespectful to the young men who lost their lives in the line of duty on March 3. No one should have to die for their job, particularly when that job involves something as mundane as repossessing a pickup truck — which, now that some of the smoke surrounding the sad events on that Mayerthorpe farm has cleared, appears to be what those officers were called in to do.
Read More... http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread20351.shtml
Police officials lied to toughen laws...
http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3888
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Official Response to RCMP shooting
Norml Canada extends its condolences to the families of the four RCMP officers killed while carrying out their duties in Alberta
NORML wishes to express its disappointment at the manner in which particular politicians, law enforcement officials, and journalists hastily drew a connection between marijuana and the tragic killing of four RCMP officials in rural Alberta. In light of the emerging evidence, it has become apparent that such statements were ill-founded and regrettable examples of political opportunism.
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U.S. Attacks Canadian Pot Laws By Tim Harper
CN Source: Toronto Star March 11, 2005
A frustrated John Walters, the director of the U.S. National Drug Control office, yesterday signalled Washington's ongoing irritation with what it sees as a lax attitude toward drug crimes north of the border, something that has forced it to redeploy drug patrols from the Mexican border to its northern flank.
Read More... http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread20350.shtml
Canada's Supremes Cower Under DEAth Threats
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