Owner of Overgrow Arrested

zero · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: Owner of Overgrow Arrested

Remember when I posted this. I have not seen this story anywhere, if I am not mistaken I am one of the first ones to write about it.

http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/4462/Owner_of_Overgrow_com_Arrested

**Ferre** · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject:

<Article removed, as it was about the owner of overgrow.>
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zero · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject:

^^ that was the link I used to confirm the story.

Funny how there is no mention of the website in that article.
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**Ferre** · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject:

I found that link also in an article at Cannabisculture...

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4638.html

Weird isn't it, that so little information is available in all those days.
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zero · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:31 am Post subject:

To me it looks like a cover up. It's no small story any way you look at it.

I cant see why the mainstream media wouldn't pick up a story like this.

To me the whole situation reeks of "ongoing investigation".
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indicaspice · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:51 am Post subject:

zero · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:16 am Post subject:

Indica, that is exactly what i was thinking. The only pieces I could find on the web that mentioned the story were mine and Mr. Emerys. Hopefully, between the two of them they can get enough views to warn people.
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**Ferre** · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:21 am Post subject:

Most OG members are at icmag.com, they hang out there a lot and a few of the OG mods are mods at icmag.com too.

The place to be for info is icmag.com

Btw, according to Gypsy Nirvana it's not the owner of overgrow that this article mentioned, he says that the age and area don't match.

...which would leave us with even more questions.
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Ben Jammin · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 12 May 2005 Posts: 10

I have been forwarding this story to any and all parties concerned.

I wish to make it clear that that owners of overgrow.com are being accused of cocaine posession. I am strictly against illegal cocaine use and feel that the overgrow community has failed our ministry. Cocaine can be harmful to the body in excessive use, while cannabis is harmless in any dosage!

This is going to be a substantial blow against our alliance. I hope everyone is prepared to back up their faith, especially canadians ( ++ ESP. in ontario). Cannabis is harmless and users are not criminals!
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indicaspice · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:

Don Quixote · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:07 am Post subject:

with respect

Cannada , America , britain , Australia and New Zealand are all monitoring their populations through GCHQ because they are part of JINCPAC (join t intelligence something or other)these countries ARE the new world order (as hitler called it) or the fourth reich or whatever you wanna call it.

it is time to wake up , turn off our television and admit that the afore mentioned countries are part of a fascist , corporate neo-nazi empire.WE are the enemy.

so please dont be surprised if the corporate press didnt bother to mention this news , or if people just shrug their shoulders when they do hear about it.

before anyone gets angry with me let me ask you this - what more do the afore mentioned states have to do before we all realise that we have become nazi's.????

build concentration camps and torture camps ? - done.

throw away all our civil liberties ? - done.

change all the laws ? - done.

invade and swallow up the world ? - done.

dress up our politzai in black uniforms with shmeizers ? - done.

start demonizing foreign people to distract us ? - done.

start demonising any 'non-conformists' ? - done.

start using phrases straight out of 'mein kampfe ' (such as new world order , homeland security , etc , etc , etc.) ? done.

hand over the reigns of power to a bunch of corporations ? - done.

turn the entire western world into a bunch of selfish , freightened sheep ? - done.

convince us to spy on each other and even our own families ? - done.

convince us that in order to protect our freedom they must take away all our freedoms ? - done. (how the feck did the sell that one to us?!)

hate me if you want - but doesn't all this make our countries into fascist states ? if not , what more do 'they' have to do?

gotta go , men with butterfly nets and strait-jackets are knocking on my door ( agaaain)

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Don Quixote · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject:

many thanks to you brother Rev Jack

please feel free to use anything i ever write in any way you see fit.with or without my name on it.as you see fit.

i believe , in the strongest possible way , that information should be free and totaly unrestricted.

STAY SAFE BROTHER.

PEACE

LIBERTY

JUSTICE

HUMANITY.

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**Ferre** · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject:

Me too found that post you made worth sharing brother Don, and I've posted it on my blog. Very Happy

The latest news on the overgrow.com arrest from High Times:

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/news/content.php?bid=424&aid=5
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RC is working with the Authorities. OG and CW IP's were logged.

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About 48 hours ago I broke my 26 month long self-imposed exile from the internet to post the results of my converstations with RC. Nobody else seemed to the the will or ability to track down and talk to him, and my concerns for the industry and the people I love who participate in it out weighed the enjoyment of my recent relative obscurity. I was sure any calls were going to be monitored, but hey - it's not like my name has never been associated with cannabis seeds, eh. So I called RC. Twice.

The first call was to get his story of what happened to him, and the servers for Overgrow and Cannabis World, and to offer support, financial and otherwise. I had been in contact with a few friends and business acquaintances, and had passed the virtual hat around - to the tune of well over US$50,000 pledged to assist RC, with no strings attached. RC said he would have to talk to his lawyers first for instructions on handling such a large donation. OK, fine. RC has all my contact numbers (always had, btw) and I expected a call the next day with instructions from his lawyers.

After my first call to him, I noted that Marc Emery from Cannabis Culture had a front page story saying RC had split the country, etcetera. Fuck. So, after some introspection, I decided to take the plunge - I was returning to my long lost home, the internet. RC had told me he would be releasing a statement, drawn up with the assistance of his lawyers, within 24 hours. Now, I had taken RC at his word as to what had happened, and I thought his clients, suppliers and members of his sites should have at least an idea of what happened, so I called him back, and said so. He agreed I could post what I put in my first post on the internet in 26 months.

Some things RC said to me didn't sit well with me. I did wake the guy up, but still... my instincts were making my hackles rise. As time passed, I kept thinking - who the fuck doesn't leap on a US$50,000 gift? My instincts said I wouldn't hear from his lawyers about it. I was correct.

Now, I have known RC's real name - and much more information about him, from back in the day when I made a deal with ~Shabang~ to buy out his 1/2 of Overgrow. I started doing the phone call thing to newspapers, the Quebec Provincial Police, RCMP public affairs office, blah, blah, blah. No record of an arrest. No record of bail or release. No records for RC, period. I had a couple of phone calls with ~Shabang~ as well, as he is one of the few people in the world I felt comfortable brain-storming with some of the information I was working with. I trust ~S with my life.

I called everyone I knew - and I know a fuckload of folks - to try and pry out some facts. I got a ton of calls, PM's and emails, and the picture they were painting wasn't jiving with some 'facts' that RC gave me. In fact, the fucker lied to me - to you - to the industry.

Just after midnight last night, I got a call from Marc Emery. Some of you may have heard of him. If you want to Marc bash, stay the fuck outta this thread. I've been in this industry for quite some time, and I don't believe in tearing down anyone who has the guts and determination for a cause that he does. If you don't like doing business with him, then don't. I have managed to negotiate this industry for years without hurting and name calling of people who are, in my eyes, on the same side. (Just ask Dr. Chronic - shortly after his site launched on OG - and when Gypsy was, as usual acting like an asshole and treating the Doc like shit on the boards, his site went down - hardware failure. That day was the first time I talked to the Doc - I called him and offered to host his site until his hardware was repaired. He declined, but that was the basis of a solid business relationship with him, one of my competitors. I have since met the Doc, and he is one of those truly rare finds - an honest to goodness decent and nice man. I would like to think I can call Dr. Chronic my friend, and I won't put up with any Doc bashing here either End of rant)

Emery and I chatted for over 1/2 an hour. At the outset, I was clear that I couldn't give him any information, but we could discuss what we both had knowledge of. I can tell you now that Emery had RC's real name for quite some time, and had been checking high and low, much like I had been, and had found no trace. Emery gave me a who's who list of people who know RC - in some cases for decades - and who RC had shunned any form of contact with since this all started. He quite graciously offered me all they had found out, and didn't pressure me for information in return. His concern for anyone affected by the fallout from this is genuine. The industry is in an uproar, and I hadn't seen anyone else with people working the phones trying to unearth the truth. By approximately 12:53 AM (GMT) Mr. Marc Scott Emery had earned my respect. We ended our chat, but now I still had more questions.

Rumours, speculation and innuendo filled the forums everywhere, and my instincts were screaming by now. Several details RC had given me were blatantly false, but not a smoking gun. Not yet.

And then, this morning at 10:30 AM (GMT) my phone rang. It was an old acquaintance of mine - and he had brought me a smoking gun. He had done business with RC, and RC paid him by check. The check was made out to a business that has nothing to do with cannabis or cannabis seeds. It was the only time that business had ever negotiated a payment from anyone in the industry. And he had just been raided, with the warrant looking for cannabis, cannabis seeds, and financial records. Fortunately, the raid was, well - a bust. Nothing was found, cops were red-faced, and my friend was fine. And pissed off. There is only one person who could have pointed the police to his business. Mr. Richard Baghdadlian, known to you as RC.

I don't doubt that RC was raided, and I don't doubt that his home and business were searched. In fact, I have confirmation they were. He was not arrested. He was at home when I called him, and has since shut off all contact with anyone. I called his lawyers (that little deal a few years ago with ~S, me, RC and OG had left me with all kinda interesting contacts) and they informed me they were not able to contact RC.

So, I'm gonna say it - and lemme tell you, this ain't easy, but now it's time to face some hard facts.

Richard Baghdadlian is co-operating with the authorities to save his own ass, at the expense of breeders, clients, and tens of thousands of members on his sites.

Anyone who had any financial transactions with RC in any way is at risk.

Anyone who posted on OG or CW is at risk. Those forums are gone, and will never be back - the security of every member has been comprimised.

I don't believe IP's were not logged on OG and CW. ~Shabang~ and I discussed this, and how ~S had originally set up the null logs, and db records. Since then, however, RC had instituted many 'anti-troll' features on the boards. Lemme 'splain...

Ask any troll here - if they posted from, say Proxy A one day, and then 3 days later from Proxy B, using the same handle, and admin got tired of them. So, they IP ban Proxy B, while the troll is still signed in. That's how RC would like you to believe it was done. However, if they then tried using a different handle, and Proxy A - well, damned if that one wasn't blocked as well. I can guarantee you that RC had gone back to some default settings to log IP's for everyone, all the time. There is no doubt.

RC is a rat.

OG and CW logged IP's.

The servers weren't seized - they didn't need to seize them - RC has given them complete access to the database records.

People are getting busted based on contact with RC.

I have given oldpink the heads-up a couple of hours ago that I was going to write this up and post it here. Kindly don't tear him up - he is working hard with little information, and is doing the best he can.

As many OG and CW refugees are also hanging at www.hg420.com, I've just got off the phone with Doc Chronic as well, so word of this will get out. (That's important, as that snivelling cunt-rag Gypsy likes to delete any quotes from me over at ICMag. Fuck off Gypsy, and stay outta my thread.)

If I have more information to offer later, I'll post it up in this thread.

If you have some information to give me, email is plural_of_encrypted@hushmail.com, or give me a call - from a safe phone, of course, at 07766 871 905 in the UK, 0044 7766 871 905 in Europe, and from N. America use 01144 7766 871 905.

Take care everyone, I hope you're all safe.

Love,

Plural of Mongoose

PS - if yer gonna quote this post over at other sites, kindly quote the entire post, thank you very much. Mongoose

PPS - Fuck you Richard Baghdadlian - FUCK YOU... Fuck you... fuck you...