Osama Bin-Laden's speech to the people of the U.S.A.

Johnny J · Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject:

its why they're called Amerikkkan sheeple, not people

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Rove: GOP to Use Terror As Campaign Issue
By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer Fri Jan 20
Embattled White House adviser Karl Rove vowed Friday
to make the war on terrorism a central campaign issue in November.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering, Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander, the Nuremberg Trials

"Terrorist operatives infiltrate our communities, plotting, planning and waiting to kill again....To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: your tactics only aid terrorists."
United States Attorney General John Ashcroft

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U-S troops exposed to contaminated water in Iraq,
Halliburton documents say...

"It also gives us a very special,
secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are
of what is really happening to them."
Adolf Hitler

Russian Chief of Staff : International Terrorism Does Not Exist
International Terrorism Does Not Exist
By General Leonid Ivashov 1-22-6

Bushit Rumcheney Cocktail:Fascist Nationalism and MKULTRA

zero · Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:07 am Post subject:

What exactly are we suppose to do Ferre?

Coming from a man whos country turned a blind eye to the nazi atrocities all those years ago.
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**Ferre** · Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:25 am Post subject:

zero · Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject:

It is not the U.S. that you do not support, Ferre, it is George Bush and his administration. It is not the general population of the U.S. that you have a problem with, it is George Bush and his Administration.

You may be right about your resistance to the nazis. But you also have to remember it was the same American public that risked our lives to help you out. American blood was shed on your soil so that you could be able to make posts such as the one you made about the very same group of people who, when called upon, came to your aid and made the ultimate sacrafice for your people.

You are talking about the elitist class in America, not the general Amercian public, which is to say the average Joe on the street. Yes, its true, maybe the average guy on the street does care about football more than politics. At least football is an honest sport, can you blame us?

We are a decent people. You would be suprised, Ferre, how many of us you would get along with. Even the conservatives.

As for the torture issue, take a look at what your fellow countrymen did to the nazi spys after we stopped the occupation all those years ago.

Im not defending my government here, Im defending the guy who wakes up at 5 AM every morning and tries to take advantage of this capitalist system we have and works his ass off to provide for himself and his family. In case you dont see the whole picture, that is who you are talking about when you say "the general American public".

Lets not generalize anymore. We are all citizens of this planet earth, no matter where you were born.
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**RevErikM** · Shaman Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 235

Zero...I'm what you would call an extreme Jeffersonian libertarian. Anyone who criticizes the US and America is quite just in not just narrowing that criticism to Bush and our current politicians. They are, after all, supposed to be nothing more than representatives of what the American people want.

The problem that we, Americans, is having, is they aren't representing us. It's left up to us to do something about that. If we don't stop them, we're giving them our consent to do as they damn well please.

We live in an age of tyranny in the United States. Thomas Jefferson said that from time to time the Liberty Tree had to be renewed with the blood of tyrants and patriots, it is its natural manure; after all, what are a few deaths in the course of a century? This has not occurred drastically since the 1860's, and if you've ever read that extensive tome by President Jefferson Davis of the CSA, you'll see that the tyrants won that battle.

Take the criticism to heart dude, but don't get offended. The few can only rule the majority by their consent, or by the employment of an overpowering form of coercion, i.e., stronger weapons. It is your burden and my burden to bear that we have mass-murderers running our military.

"If there is any thing that all Americans should know, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest." ~Jefferson Davis
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Johnny J · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:27 am Post subject:

You reference Jefferson Davis twice. I will concede that Abraham Lincoln was just a corporate lawyer representing manufacturing's interests over the plantation owners. And I might concede that Jefferson Davis' ideas in the absolute abstract may carry some truth in them. But in the real world? He stood for the institutionalized oppression of one over another. Is that consistent with libertarianism?

Please explain.

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IntrepidEZJ · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 381

Most probably know, but our country is nothing but a bunch of sheep.

It is not a reflection of their intelligence, as I am not fooled by Nationalistic and Patriotic motives, but it is a reflection of the system that educates them from the cradle to the grave.

We have been vegetized. Much like Germany.

When you speak of rising up in this country, people become very fearful.

They do not understand that the "Government" constitutes less than %1 of this nation.

The people, represent 99 percent. The Government is absolutely powerless against the people.

The people think the problem is to large, and they are tricked by the "illusion of choice" that the Dems and Republicans put out.

Many countries have many parties. In this country, we have never had a President that didn't subscribe to the beliefs of the Church, or have the support of the Church going in.

We need to organize the splinter independent's in this country into one voice. A little less than 50 percent of the people came out for the last election.

A strong independent party could easily grab those voters by appealing to issues that truly matter.

The eradiction of "victimless" crimes, Real Healthcare for all, Social Security, the Environment, and a true push for Peace.

Not only would we grab the non-voting populace, but probably a good 25-30 percent of the Republican and Democratic voters that are disenfranchised.

We are fighting. We are creating our own media through Blogs and the Internet. The day is inevitable. It will come. Hopefully, it will be in time.

**RevErikM** · Shaman Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 235

Johnny J - sorry I didn't respond to your post before, I never saw the response.

I referenced Jefferson Davis because of his writings - I do not feel he was a proponent of slavery, as the War of Northern Aggression was also not fought over slavery. The war was fought because the people of South Carolina elected to withdraw from the Union - it was fought because the individual states were supposed to be as sovereign nations, unified, pretty similar to the way the United Nations is run today. That's why we have the 10th Amendment in the Constitution.

In fact, the Confederacy had commissioned black officers and regiments of mixed black and white soldiers, but the Union did not employ black troops at all until they were freed to turn the tide against the South. South Carolina also had a policy of educating the slaves and freeing them once they had reached a level deemed "civilized" and productive to society. I can't speak for the other states; as I have significant family heritage in South Carolina, I have studied them much more extensively than the other states. There are a few books which are little more than personal letters from plantation owners and others in South Carolina at the time preceding the war and during, these give more insight in my opinion than official histories on the subject, which have been tainted by the views of the victors and those writing the histories.

It is evident to many that the whole idea of the constitution was to frame up the simple adage, "and it harm none, do as you will," but today as was the case then, people who would be oligarchs and monarchs will always seek to strangle others to receive the fruits of their labor in order to satisfy their lust for power, their greed, and their laziness.
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