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RogerChristie Cannabis Sacrament Minister.

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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: Osama Bin-Laden's speech to the people of the U.S.A. |
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Wow. This is an amazing commentary. Most media told us today 'about' this speech, but it's very rare to see Bin-Laden's words published in full for us to decide for ourselves about its contents and his motives. Thanks to al-Jazeera and the BBC.
Roger
Text: 'Bin-Laden tape'
The pan-Arab TV station al-Jazeera has broadcast an audio tape purporting to be by al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, in which the speaker says al-Qaeda is preparing new attacks on the US.
Here is the full text of the message, as carried on al-Jazeera's website.
My message to you is about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and the way to end it.
I had not intended to speak to you about this issue, because, for us, this issue is already decided on: diamonds cut diamonds.
Praise be to God, our conditions are always improving and becoming better, while your conditions are to the contrary of this.
However, what prompted me to speak are the repeated fallacies of your President Bush in his comment on the outcome of the US opinion polls, which indicated that the overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of the forces from Iraq, but he objected to this desire and said that the withdrawal of troops would send a wrong message to the enemy.
Bush said: It is better to fight them on their ground than they fighting us on our ground.
In my response to these fallacies, I say: The war in Iraq is raging, and the operations in Afghanistan are on the rise in our favour, praise be to God.
The Pentagon figures indicate the rise in the number of your dead and wounded, let alone the huge material losses, and let alone the collapse of the morale of the soldiers there and the increase in the suicide cases among them.
So, just imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts the soldier while collecting the remnants of his comrades' dead bodies after they hit mines, which torn them. Following such situation, the soldier becomes between two fires. If he refuses to go out of his military barracks for patrols, he will face the penalties of the Vietnam butcher, and if he goes out, he will face the danger of mines.
So, he is between two bitter situations, something which puts him under psychological pressure - fear, humiliation, and coercion. Moreover, his people are careless about him. So, he has no choice but to commit suicide.
What you hear about him and his suicide is a strong message to you, which he wrote with his blood and soul while pain and bitterness eat him up so that you would save what you can save from this hell. However, the solution is in your hand if you care about them.
The news of our brother mujahideen, however, is different from what is published by the Pentagon.
This news indicates that what is carried by the news media does not exceed what is actually taking place on the ground. What increases doubts on the information of the White House's administration is its targeting of the news media, which carry some facts about the real situation.
Documents have recently showed that the butcher of freedom in the world [US President Bush] had planned to bomb the head office of al-Jazeera Space Channel in the state of Qatar after he bombed its offices in Kabul and Baghdad, although despite its defects, it is [Al-Jazeera] one of your creations.
Jihad is continuing, praise be to God, despite all the repressive measures the US army and its agents take to the point where there is no significant difference between these crimes and those of Saddam.
These crimes include the raping of women and taking them hostage instead of their husbands. There is no power but in God.
The torturing of men has reached the point of using chemical acids and electric drills in their s. If they become desperate with them, they put the drill on their heads until death.
If you like, read the humanitarian reports on the atrocities and crimes in the prisons of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
I say that despite all the barbaric methods, they have failed to ease resistance, and the number of mujahideen, praise be to God, is increasing.
In fact, reports indicate that the defeat and devastating failure of the ill-omened plan of the four - Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz - and the announcement of this defeat and working it out, is only a matter of time, which is to some extent linked to the awareness of the American people of the magnitude of this tragedy.
The wise ones know that Bush has no plan to achieve his alleged victory in Iraq.
If you compare the small number of the dead when Bush made that false and stupid show-like announcement from an aircraft carrier on the end of the major operations, to many times as much as this number of the killed and injured, who fell in the minor operations, you will know the truth in what I am saying, and that Bush and his administration do not have neither the desire nor the will to withdraw from Iraq for their own dubious reasons.
To go back to where I started, I say that the results of the poll satisfy sane people and that Bush's objection to them is false.
Reality testifies that the war against America and its allies has not remained confined to Iraq, as he claims.
In fact, Iraq has become a point of attraction and recruitment of qualified resources.
On the other hand, the mujahideen, praise be to God, have managed to breach all the security measures adopted by the unjust nations of the coalition time and again.
The evidence of this is the bombings you have seen in the capitals of the most important European countries of this aggressive coalition.
As for the delay in carrying out similar operations in America, this was not due to failure to breach your security measures.
Operations are under preparation, and you will see them on your own ground once they are finished, God willing.
Based on the above, we see that Bush's argument is false. However, the argument that he avoided, which is the substance of the results of opinion polls on withdrawing the troops, is that it is better not to fight the Muslims on their land and for them not to fight us on our land.
We do not object to a long-term truce with you on the basis of fair conditions that we respect.
We are a nation, for which God has disallowed treachery and lying.
In this truce, both parties will enjoy security and stability and we will build Iraq and Afghanistan, which were destroyed by the war.
There is no defect in this solution other than preventing the flow of hundreds of billions to the influential people and war merchants in America, who supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars.
Hence, we can understand the insistence of Bush and his gang to continue the war.
If you have a genuine will to achieve security and peace, we have already answered you.
If Bush declines but to continue lying and practicing injustice [against us], it is useful for you to read the book of "The Rogue State", the introduction of which reads: If I were a president, I would halt the operations against the United States.
First, I will extend my apologies to the widows, orphans, and the persons who were tortured. Afterwards, I will announce that the US interference in the world's countries has ended for ever.
Finally, I would like to tell you that the war is for you or for us to win. If we win it, it means your defeat and disgrace forever as the wind blows in this direction with God's help.
If you win it, you should read the history. We are a nation that does not tolerate injustice and seek revenge forever.
Days and nights will not go by until we take revenge as we did on 11 September, God willing, and until your minds are exhausted and your lives become miserable and things turn [for the worse], which you detest.
As for us, we do not have anything to lose. The swimmer in the sea does not fear rain. You have occupied our land, defiled our honour, violated our dignity, shed our blood, ransacked our money, demolished our houses, rendered us homeless, and tampered with our security. We will treat you in the same way.
You tried to deny us the decent life, but you cannot deny us a decent death. Refraining from performing jihad, which is sanctioned by our religion, is an appalling sin. The best way of death for us is under the shadows of swords.
Do not be deluded by your power and modern weapons. Although they win some battles, they lose the war. Patience and steadfastness are better than them. What is important is the outcome.
We have been tolerant for 10 years in fighting the Soviet Union with our few weapons and we managed to drain their economy.
They became history, with God's help.
You should learn lessons from that. We will remain patient in fighting you, God willing, until the one whose time has come dies first. We will not escape the fight as long as we hold our weapons in our hands.
I swear not to die but a free man even if I taste the bitterness of death. I fear to be humiliated or betrayed.
Peace be upon those who follow guidance.
BBC Monitoring selects and translates news from radio, television, press, news agencies and the internet from 150 countries in more than 70 languages. It is based in Caversham, UK, and has several bureaus abroad.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/4628932.stm
Published: 2006/01/19 21:53:47 GMT
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zero Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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He sounds mighty brave for a dude hiding in a cave.
His ideals are based upon principles of pride and revenge. He is a religious fanatic who really believes he has some kind of god on his side. September 11th was not revenge, it was a cold blooded cowardly act of murder. Whether you believe it was the CIA or American government that did it or the terrorists, he admitted to it in this speech. That tells me either he A. Did it all himself just as they say, or B. was in on it from the beggining.
This man has nothing but hatred to spew, I hope no one here actually takes these words seriously. _________________ www.shoutwire.com
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Ferre Cannabis Sacrament Minister.


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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| zero wrote: |
He sounds mighty brave for a dude hiding in a cave.
His ideals are based upon principles of pride and revenge. He is a religious fanatic who really believes he has some kind of god on his side. September 11th was not revenge, it was a cold blooded cowardly act of murder. Whether you believe it was the CIA or American government that did it or the terrorists, he admitted to it in this speech. That tells me either he A. Did it all himself just as they say, or B. was in on it from the beggining.
This man has nothing but hatred to spew, I hope no one here actually takes these words seriously. |
Osama Bin 'ElCIAda' Laden has a lot to say for a man who is dead and burried for more than two years allready.  _________________ █ Please read the Board Rules and Posting, and you
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Torkel Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ferre wrote:
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| Osama Bin 'ElCIAda' Laden has a lot to say for a man who is dead and burried for more than two years allready. |
Exactly right, IMBO.
Peace,
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zero Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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On the contrary, he may speak alot of words, but he has nothing at all to really say. _________________ www.shoutwire.com
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Johnny J Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:17 am Post subject: |
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the Son of Sam Administration pull him out of the closet and dust him off anytime the public starts questioning the whole war on terror warrantless spying fascist groove thang
they need him more alive than dead
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Ferre Cannabis Sacrament Minister.


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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, funny how Osama B.L. can not be found but he can send films and messages every time the Bush administration needs his appearance.
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Torkel Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Consider this:
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Bin Laden Tape Probably Faked by CIA
Back in 2002, the Bush administration was chagrined when the world's foremost voice identification experts, a group in Swizterland called IDIAP analyzed several Bin Laden tapes and concluded that a "CIA-verified" bin Laden tape was NOT Bin Laden, but someone whose voice patterns resembled the terrorist's. Now again we have a Bin Laden tape that arrives just when Bush needs a "terrorist diversion." And once again, we have only the CIA "experts" verifying the authenticity. So why since 2002 hasn't the IDIAP been called in to verify these always conveniently timed tapes? And why is no CIA expert ever actually named?
And as further evidence of how closely the US media is colluding with Bush, journalists who once queried the institute for their opinion on the authenticity of bin Laden tapes are no longer doing so. |
The entire article is here:
http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=40166#40166
Peace,
Torkel _________________ Miller vs U.S. (230 F 2nd 486,489): "The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."
Miranda vs Arizona (384 U.S. 436, 125): "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them."
HAGANS vs LAVINE (415 US 533 N-3,note 5): "Once JURISDICTION is challenged it must be proven by the Plaintiff." |
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Torkel Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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zero wrote:
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| Whether you believe it was the CIA or American government that did it or the terrorists, he admitted to it in this speech. |
BIN LADEN himself denied any involvement in the attacks. The BBC published his denial in which he clearly stated: "I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself…” (Most of us never heard that quote on our nightly newscast).
To date, the only shred of "evidence" against bin Laden is a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find "lying around" in Afghanistan.
http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=47504
...wake up comrades
Peace,
Torkel _________________ Miller vs U.S. (230 F 2nd 486,489): "The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."
Miranda vs Arizona (384 U.S. 436, 125): "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them."
HAGANS vs LAVINE (415 US 533 N-3,note 5): "Once JURISDICTION is challenged it must be proven by the Plaintiff." |
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zero Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Osama Bin-Laden's speech to the people of the U.S.A. |
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I don't claim to know everything about this subject, but I do think the rest of the world would do good to have a little more compasion for the american people.
Our government may be bad, but yours are just as bad if not worse. _________________ www.shoutwire.com
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Brother Adam Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: |
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The problem is our government is bad, but it is touted as the greatest thing since sliced bread. It is evil and corrupt. It is supposed to be controlled "by the people" when in reality it is controlled by the fascist few. Another problem is most of our people are so brainwashed they will angrily defend the evil giant our gov't has become. If Bush stood up and revealed every lie they've handed the american people for the past 10 years, everyone would think it's an April fool's joke or something. Why should anyone lighten up on america until it's people decide to quit being a country full of mindless spectres. The truth is people here don't care one bit about the rest of the world....most don't know a world exists beyond their little circle of friends at starbucks.
I, for one, am appalled at the blind eyes of my fellow country men. If you can call it that when most purposely ignore issues larger than which number to pick at the drive through......  _________________ -Brother Adam (we are all one family)
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Ferre Cannabis Sacrament Minister.


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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Osama Bin-Laden's speech to the people of the U.S.A. |
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| zero wrote: |
I don't claim to know everything about this subject, but I do think the rest of the world would do good to have a little more compasion for the american people.
Our government may be bad, but yours are just as bad if not worse. |
Our governments may be bad, but they do not invade other nations to steal their oil.
The world's compassion for the American people ended when the American people gave the butcher a second term.
The world's respect for he American people ended when he American people supported the start of ww3.
And than there are the lies, the word has been lied to too many times by the representatives of the American people.
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Stokes Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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I disagree, Ferre.
I think the Butcher's second term was stolen from the American people just like the first term was.
And I don't believe that the majority of Americans support what some call WW3.
The American government has become an entity all to it's own, opposed to and separate from it's own citizens, and does not even come close to representing the true wishes of the majority of it's people.
It is a monster, and it must be transformed or destroyed ... something that only the American people are capable of.
At the moment, those of us who understand this are doing the best we can - with what's been jammed down our throats.
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zero Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Osama Bin-Laden's speech to the people of the U.S.A. |
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| Ferre wrote: |
| zero wrote: |
I don't claim to know everything about this subject, but I do think the rest of the world would do good to have a little more compasion for the american people.
Our government may be bad, but yours are just as bad if not worse. |
Our governments may be bad, but they do not invade other nations to steal their oil.
The world's compassion for the American people ended when the American people gave the butcher a second term.
The world's respect for he American people ended when he American people supported the start of ww3.
And than there are the lies, the word has been lied to too many times by the representatives of the American people.
The world's eyes are opened. |
Thats the problem. You are prejudice against americans.
the statement you just made could be likened to saying "All black people support the black panthers because some do" or "All mexican people eat tacos because some do" or "all white people hate minoritys cause some do"
Ferre, you must be a herion addict because you live in amsterdam where its legal. See how ridiculous that sounds?
Im gonna humbly request an apology for that henious generalization. _________________ www.shoutwire.com
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Ferre Cannabis Sacrament Minister.


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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| stokes wrote: |
| It is a monster, and it must be transformed or destroyed ... something that only the American people are capable of. |
So true, and that, my friend, is what the world is waiting for since the days of Kennedy. NOT just since he butcher's days, but the world has been shaking it's head with unbelief with every new idiot that was chosen to be the American people's Premier Representative. The world has been laughing it's brains out because of Ronny 'what's my part' Reagan but he wasn't a danger for the rest of us, he was just a fool to (secretly) laugh about.
Times changed, the imbred idiots that become to be president of the USSA are now getting more and more a danger for the rest of the world and what is the general American population doing? watching football, that's what they are doing while their representatives burn the world down.
The elections have been 'stolen' twice according to half of the American population, but instead of doing something about that, they put a bumper sticker on their SUV stating "I didn't vote for him".
Don't get me wrong, I have a great deal of respect for all the dissents and activists in America, and the Americans who are members of our community and most of them who use Cannabis are dissents and usually a lot more politically aware than the general public, only for the fact that they experience oppression by their own government every day. Those are not the "general American public" and it's the general American public that people all over the world are becoming a little biased towards, it's them who can make changes but it's also them who don't care enough to do it. _________________ █ Please read the Board Rules and Posting, and you
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