Oldest evidence of hasheesh..some help please

[Chris Bennett]

"For an overall snapshot of the Human experience, I believe I'd like to have both facts and mythology. "

I can agree with that.
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The People of the Earth have a natural Indigenous right to the Plants of the Earth, all People all Plants.

[Pantagruel]

High ministry friends,

Just to be clear I would like to let you know that I specifically look for the oldest evidence of hasheesh, so not cannabis in general like seeds cloth or pollen. I am realy interrested to find when and where hash first ocurred.

Thanks all for again for your kind responses

Alan
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If in your soil it takes to heaven A thousand thanks be given; And say in the land, it goodley goes, Where the Pantagruelion grows.

[Don Quixote]

Oooooh goody ! a chance to be obnoxious !

now where shall i begin.........

ok. quote "Their is no 10.000 year old book of any kind in existence and The oldest copies of the Vedas in existence are not even close to that date. "

really?says who.proffesor Dr. whattsisname thingy PHD dated them to approximately 1400 BC.he wasn't allowed to do carbon 14 datings or dendro-chronological tests so how the ***k does he know?

the Indian gentleman who is the keeper of those scriptures can name every one of his predecessors.if you add up all the generations it amounts to more than 10,000 years

so , why is the Indian mans oral history less valid than the esteemed proffesors arbitrary guesswork ?

Is it because all non europeans are inherantly inferior in some way ?can't they be trusted ?

quote "Hemp cloth does not equal hashish" . with respect i think that i does.

anyone who has worked harvesting , trimming , baling and preparing Cannabis sativa or Hemp will know that the biggest problem encountered is that your tools , machinery clothes and skin soon become clogged up with hemp-fibres and thick , sticky resin.

this resin is crude hasheesh.

how long would it have been before that farmer succumbed to the temptation to taste some of that sweet - smelling resin ?that is how we discovered all the foods we eat and poisons too.sooner or later some idiot just had to put some in his mouth.

how long would it have been before that farmer put some of that resin into the camp fire ? just to see what would happen. ?i think he would have liked the smell and the effect.

that is how we discovered incense .

quote "Archeological evidence is more reliable than indigenous stories. Do you want facts or myths?"

Really ? why ? does it not defy all logic to assume that a European who turns up in a foreign land , digs up some bones and artifacts and then invents some rediculous theory about how those people lived is MORE accurate than the 'myths' of the indigenous people which were handed down through countless generations.?

just look at the Maya for example.

Europeans turn up , rape , pillage and loot their way across the land , raze all their cities to the ground and burn millions of Maya books and outlaw their language and culture.

And what does it say about the Maya in those eminent European archeological books ?it says their language and culture are a mystery !

Except for one little problem - the Maya STILL live there.they still speak the same languge.they still remember their history and customs.its just that all those proffesors didn't bother to ask them.

Why then do we regard their history as 'myth'. ???

Racism maybe ?

As brother Mystic pointed out and you yourself said , you need to look at ALL the evidence even if some of it comes from people who are not like us.

and then you need to give MORE weight to the indigenous peoples evidence because ITS THEIR F***ING HISTORY.even if it is metaphorical and speaks in parables.

i am very sorry brother Pentagruel.

i didnt mean to hijack your intelligent and highly relevant question with my wild and badly penned ramblings.

i have noticed that Hasheesh is mainly prevailant along the old caravan/silk routes.Central Asia , parts of the Indian sub-continent , North Africa and as far west as Turkey.

i once read about ancient Tibetan monks who made incense out of a mixture of fat and hasheesh for use in the temples.this habit is supposed to pre-date the arrival of Budhism in Tibet.

Istill think that hasheesh is as ancient as mans cultivation of hemp.you just cannot work with hemp without coming into contact with copious amounts of lovely , fresh , aromatic Cannabis resin.yum yum.

i like forums. people can't punch my face in when i am rude.


PEACE

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[Stokes]

[Don Quixote]

ooooooh sh!!!!!te

i did it again.

HEY! BROTHER CHRIS BENNETT.come back brother !!! my sarcastic vitriolic ravings were not meant to be an attack on YOU. it is the intrenched , arrogant racism of those Oxford , Cambridge , ivy league (?) proffesors i am having a dig at. (sh1T.anyone know if this bloke owns a gun )

Brother Stokes - thanks for your comments.Highest regards to you brother

i have to admit i have become increasingly disillusioned with the scientific establishment.

As you and brother Mystic rightly say - common sense and looking at all the evidence is the only way to make an informed guess.

ok brother Chris Bennett - you can tell me to go boil my head now.rave over and out.

PEACE (I HOPE)

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