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ren
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Tafari
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"I'm saddened that people will trample on something so sacred to Native Americans," Duncan said. "We need to stop our culture from being exploited."
I hope this bill gets struck down. Its a little self conceded to think peyote was created just for Indians.
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Egocentric and egoistic people, yikes. I didn't think that Native American Indians could be such bastards.
Seems I was wrong.
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I'm surprised, considering that the Native American church always wins in court over the right to peyote sacrament. In the 1960's the right to peyote sacrament was upheld by the 1st and 4th amendment. By restricting which churches can use peyote sacrament, this new law attempts to erase a right and change it into a privelage. In the end, the Native American church is unwittingly falling into a trap which will undermine their own rights.
Federal recognition as a prerequisite sounds like government sponsorship of religion. How can they pass a law that discriminates and goes against the constitution?
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Ferre
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The simple fact that those people propose such a thing makes that I can not take them serious with anything, or respect them. They claim that 'the white people's laws' are not theirs and here they are trying to get those 'white people's laws' to restrict the freedom of others.
I could never have guessed that people who use Peyote can be so narrow-minded and evil to want to forbit for others what they do themselves..
Must be some trailer-trash-tribe.
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Pepper
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| Indian prophets like Quanah Parker added Christianity to traditional beliefs and formed the basis of the Peyote ritual practiced today. |
Their actions are like those of Christian fundamentalists that are intolerant of others who do not share their religious viewpoint. |
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Ferre
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It's what happened to many of the original religions, like the Ayhuaska religion that got infiltrated with Christian beliefs and became sort of a maria worshipping club.
Christianity is like a bad virus that creeps into people's minds and limits their intelligence, but that's just my personal opinion.
If it was up to me I would limit their presence in the THC Ministry too, they already managed to bring in that 'holy anointing oil-and jesus' fairy tale into our originally shamanistic religion while that same oil recepy has been known to the Chinese as a medicine for centuries before tha big-NLP-manual, aka Bible, was written. I research this issue for many years now and all I can say is that Christianity is not a religion, it's a political movement that uses brain control to gain world power and they infiltrate into every level of society to achieve their ultimate goal.
The sad part is that the people who are brainwashed by them do not realize it and even become angry when they are confronted with it.
Oh well, I don't mind being labeled as anti-Christian, for me that's the same as being anti fascism, and I'm proud of being against oppressors.
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| Amen Brother Ferre, Amen |
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| Pepper wrote: |
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| Indian prophets like Quanah Parker added Christianity to traditional beliefs and formed the basis of the Peyote ritual practiced today. |
Their actions are like those of Christian fundamentalists that are intolerant of others who do not share their religious viewpoint. |
Brother Pepper, its so much worse then that, they are acutally saying that regardelss of whether or not you share their viewpoint, even if you practice the religion they are pushing to make it so only those of 'pure' ancestry could use their sacrament.
This is so absurd it truly hurts me to the core of my heart. I am of Native American ancestry, although less then a quarter, widely held the minimum one has to be if to be considered of 'true' ancestry. What this tribe is saying that regardless of religious views, even if I was sincere in wanting to practice the Native American religion, that I am still not 'pure' enough to use the sacrament. The president of the tribe says that peyote is so sacred it is considered the 'mother'. As such they, denying someone the sacrament is essentially excommunicating them from the religion all together.
This tribe should be pushing to FURTHER religious freedoms, not restrict them. What will stop the Vatican from lobbying for laws that say only the Catholic of true 'pure' Roman decent can drink wine. Next only 'pure' Jamaicans could practice the Rastafarian use ganja. Only 'pure' Aztec people would be allowed the use of salvia, and it could go on and on.
The actions of this tribe to essentially insist that only those of pure enough ancestry may take part in their religion will make certain that their religion dies with them. I highly doubt thats what our common ancestors wished, if anything they would hope it would be openly shared and taught so that all may experience that which they hold so sacred.
I came across an article with the REAL story behind the matter. This actually is about another church that is letting 'white' people practice the religion. Even though the leader of this church is sincere and of actual ancestry, the rival tribe contends he is a mockery and demand his congregation's 3,500 buttons of peyote be given to them (a 'true' church).
Heres some quotes from this disgraceful tribe's president out of THIS(link) article:
"It is so sacred, so precious to us. We call it 'Mother Peyote' because that is how we feel about it. If somebody damages it, it would be like somebody hurting your mother."
"We do not say that [non-Indians] could not benefit from the medicine [peyote]," Blackhorse said. "Anybody can benefit spiritually from it, but we have to stay within the law. The law forbids it." <--- WHAT IS THIS ABOUT? This is truly outrageous! If the law forbids it they should be fighting to expand the law, not restrict it further!
"Our service always takes place in a white tepee, and we never invite multicolored people," Blackhorse said. "[Stark's ceremony] abused our sacred religion and our medicine."
"Our elders are afraid that if the white people start using the medicine they will suddenly know what is what," he said. "They will make new laws."
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| Ferre wrote: |
Egocentric and egoistic people, yikes. I didn't think that Native American Indians could be such bastards.
Seems I was wrong. |
It's very disappointing. What kind of spirituality says "...and you can't have any!"...?
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Michael Allison
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| Ferre wrote: |
| I didn't think that Native American Indians could be such bastards. |
They're just people.
Expect them to be human.
Don't expect anything else and you will never be disappointed.
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