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PurePowerPrincess
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:55 am    Post subject: Must I Give My Address? Reply with quote

I am interested in becoming a member of the THC Ministry. Being able to protect myself from persecution would be nice. To joing though, I am asked to provide my address. Is this necessary? I do not want my address to be public information and I do not want police or government authorities to come knocking on my door with handcuffs. Call me paranoid, but I have a lot to lose if I were sent to prison. So the questions are, Do I have to give my address?? If so , is it safe?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think so...
Try and join w/o your address....
Even if you gave your addy the administrator here is very good...he would never give it out and it would be protected, I'm sure!
Joe

Anyway....welcome!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The database is kept in Amsterdam and off American shores so noone can access it. It is safe and I think necessary tho as youll want to be legaly registered here. Just as its important to use your real name and address on your ordination papers. It is a secure site. And welcome to the Ministry.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi PurePowerPrincess...

The membership database is not only off-shore, it's also off-line to protect us from any snooping.

The reason it's important for you to have your info straight is in case you need to use your proof of Ministry/membership as part of your religious defense against prosecution.

I've been vocal and out of the cannabis closet for years:

http://cannabisconsumers.org/gallery.php?gal_id=80

I think my DEA file reads: [MOSTLY HARMLESS]

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:17 am    Post subject: Security options Reply with quote

Hello PurePowerPrincess,

Aloha. Welcome to the THC Ministry. Thanks for the good question about your security via this website.

Everyone has their own 'personal safety radar' and I respect it completely. Please listen to your own instincts, they are your 'God voice' advising you and helping you to survive on this beautiful and troubled planet.

Joining this ministry is a pro-active thing. It's for those who are a bit more bold than most in these interesting times. We're making a stand and we're proud of it.

We have zero interest in collecting anyone's home address for any reason. As a matter of fact, maybe we will eliminate that 'address question' from our registration area just for the very reason that concerns you. Mahalo! :-}

I suggest that if you are concerned IN ANY WAY about signing-up with us that you DON'T do it. I have purposely directed people to the Universal Life Church so that they could become ordained online and start to build their own religious 'defense to prosecution' WITHOUT being linked to the THC Ministry. It's kind of a generic way to begin that has zero connection to anything 'cannabis', but would still have some value as a religious defense for a cannabis charge. (Did I explain that OK?)

All of us need to remember that the internet is somewhat 'public'. It's an electronic record of a new kind that can probably be accessed by the military, or hackers who have no manners.

By the way, yes you CAN join and fill-out our form without giving your address. Take it one comfortable step at a time, PPP. You can always do more, but you can't do less, if you know what I mean.

Thanks for bringing it up!

All the best to you,

Roger


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Security options Reply with quote

RogerChristie wrote:
I have purposely directed people to the Universal Life Church so that they could become ordained online and start to build their own religious 'defense to prosecution' WITHOUT being linked to the THC Ministry. It's kind of a generic way to begin that has zero connection to anything 'cannabis', but would still have some value as a religious defense for a cannabis charge. (Did I explain that OK?)


This seems to be a very important thread in the context of future memberships.

Thanks PurePowerPrincess, from another perspective, for raising this question and also to those of you who have responded in kind. Although I'm not a member, I believe it would be a good idea to keep this thread available to newcomers who are considering the THC Ministry as part of their lives.

As a prospective member, I'd like to offer my input by saying that just yesterday I came very close to ordaining with ULC but I stopped myself because of the assumption that I should first be a member of the THC Ministry, and I must also say that giving the ULC my personal info played a small role in that snap decision. Can someone share with me if it matters that we ordain with the ULC, or is our THC Ministry membership adequate for defense in the unfortunate event of a legal occurance?

For future prospective membership concerns, maybe this can be made more clear in the area that directs newcomers to the ULC. And may I also ask, to what extent the "value" of a ULC ordination would help create a religious defense without being a member of the THC Ministry?

With all of the rampant and abusive persecution and prosecution being leveled upon select groups of the American public these days, I'm sure that some reluctance to divulge personal info displayed by those of us who are new can reasonably be justified.

Thanks for the help ... Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RogerChristie wrote:
You can always do more, but you can't do less, if you know what I mean.

Now there is some very plain and simple but wise advice you don't hear every day. Wish I had learned this lesson long time ago but am still struggling with it and still trying. I guess I may have improved in some areas but I still go off helter-skelter at times in a few areas of my life. Anyway, thanks for this precious tid-bit of pure wisdom, Roger.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for answering my question. I have been doing some research and have registered with THC Ministry. I am one step closer to being able to worship freely.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:02 pm    Post subject: Ours is a multi-layered defense Reply with quote

Hello there,

Aloha. Our religious defense to prosecution is a multi-layered thing, built by ordainment, membership, licensing, etc. The more layers you have, the better you can demonstrate your case to anyone, or any court. The more layers of authentic documents you possess IN ADDITION TO YOUR SINCERITY = the easier path to walk for the rest of your life.

ULC is a very powerful and extremely convenient place to begin the journey into ministerial 'legitimacy' in the eyes of the law. Of course, ordainment is between you and God, first and formost. John 15:16.

Demonstrating your ordainment to men, however, is often best accomplished with convincing and official documents. It's part of your 'religious resume'. The better and the bigger your religious resume, the easier time you will have in proving yourself to friends, family, community or law enforcement, and especially to a jury of Bible-reading 'peers'.

ULC ordainment alone is a basic way to go in demonstrating your legitimacy. It's not enough for most people, in my opinion, in the face of our many would-be persecutors.

Ever hear of the military term, "an overwhelming show of force"? Be magnificent and excellent in your crafting of legitimacy and recognition for cannabis sacrament. Mahalo ke akua.

Love, Roger
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm beginning to get a grasp on the "truth" of the matter.

Thank you, Romadon and Roger

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