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WillTuttle
getting into high spirits
Joined: 19 May 2005
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Location: Fallbrook California
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 Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 5:44 am Post subject: Must be 21? |
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Hello I’m a new member just found out about the THC Ministry today. I noticed in a couple different places the mentioning of the age limit of 21. I was curious to the reason why this age limit is enforced and if I could still receive the Cannabis Sanctuary Kit & Legal Defense Package at the exhilarating age of 16. I am still trying to grasp the concept of this it has taken me by surprise; I was not aware of a religion such as this and am overwhelmed with joy that I came across it.
“We are dealing with the best-educated generation in history. But they've got a brain dressed up with nowhere to go.”
-Timothy Leary-
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ReverendCaveGrower
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
Joined: 15 Jan 2005
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welcome to the boards. I do belive that if the ministry allowed "minors" to become ministers we would lose our ass (in court). but your company, and youth are welcome here on the forums brother.
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Pepper
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Posts: 528
Location: Earth
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I think we do have minors that are members with parental permission. There is one member who got an exemption from urine testing because his parents were members and approved. |
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Rev. Rodger L. Poole
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
Joined: 10 May 2004
Posts: 480
Location: Im not here! Im where things HAPPEN.
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It should probably be taken up with Roger Christie...Its his decision, really. However, the actual age minimum is 21 years old.
The reason it is 21, as far as I have been able to gather, is that you have to be 21 to drink in this country, which is the age of majority. Since Cannabis is also a mind-altering substance, it seems the right thing to do. To be a responsible ministry, the age minimum was changed from 18 a few months ago, to 21. We do not want to appear to be promoting drug use among minors, do we? Thats not a responsible thing to do.
By the way, WillTuttle, the religion you have discovered isnt THC Ministry....Thats just the name of the church some of us belong to. The religion we all practice is Shamanism...the use of mind-altering substances in conjunction with spirituality. It doesnt matter what flavor of it is your particular taste, its all Shamanism.
Thats why you dont need a kit. Shamanism is a legally recognized religion in the US, according to the United States military. It is included in their list of world religions that a military Chaplain must know about. Does that sound illegal to you? Shamanism is much more recognizable than THC Ministry, any day of the week. Everyone knows what Shamanism is, a small percentage know what THC Ministry is. And isnt Shamanism really the point? THC Ministry is just a "brand name" of a particular type of Shamanism...
If you have any questions about documents you want answered more in-depth, feel free to PM me.
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Stop being a slave to Cannabis, and do something with your life! How much is smoking weed going to cost you before you will WAKE UP?
Put down the  and pick up a book every once in a while for Pete's sake.
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Pepper
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Posts: 528
Location: Earth
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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I realize that this is a special case but the reason is that parents are responsible for their children. The decision is up to the parents. Here is the exception I was referring to from Roger himself:
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Hello friends and visitors,
Aloha. I've just heard the news of another significant victory for our ministry today. Hallelujah! I love this stuff.
To start, let me say that I don't recommend cannabis for those who are under 21 years old. I don't have kids of my own, yet. I don't have hands-on parenting skills and experience. Young people and cannabis have been, and continue to be a very volitile social and political issue. It's a highly 'charged' subject that requires extra care when dealing with. (And yes, if I was a teenager now I sure would be trying cannabis for myself, hopefully with a loving initiation process, and no matter what forbidden-fruit or demon plant the D.A.R.E. program told me 'marijuana' was.)
A neighbor of mine is new to town. He and his 16 year-old son moved to Hilo about six months ago. The Dad joined our ministry about four months ago, and soon thereafter he recommended that his son join - with conscious parental approval. I got them both ordained and membership documents.
The boy and the Dad both enjoy cannabis - separately and together. It's a bonding-thing for them to share.
About three months ago the son was caught by the police one night drinking a beer in a county park with a half-dozen other young people. It's illegal to use alcohol in county parks, and the boy is 'underage', on top of that. He was remanded to Family Court for the 'offense' because he's a 'minor'.
At Family Court the boy and his Dad were given the choice for the boy to go through the "Teen Court" system with its lesser penalties, which they chose to do. Apparently one of the conditions for admission to Teen Court is that a person MUST plead 'guilty' to whatever charges brought them there. (Another subject for another time.)
Both father and son decided to try and navigate the system on their own, without THC Ministry assistance. I gave them my blessing and said to call me if they need me.
Another of the conditions of Teen Court is to be 'drug-tested'. The boy 'failed' his urine 'test' because he tested 'positive' for sacrament, and was directed immediately into the 'drug treatment' system. (He tried a de-tox tea before the test and it failed to protect him.)
Dad then called me for help. He doesn't want his precious boy to be twisted by the program of demonizing cannabis, etc., and he asked for my advice.
I provided the family with some important documents to take into the drug counselor on their next official visit. State Constitution, R.F.R.A., the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Person's Act of 2000, ordainment papers, etc.
It worked!!!
Similar to the Probation Department on Maui last week, the drug treatment people here accepted the paperwork very carefully, and the Dad's verbal notice that he request a 'religious exemption' for his boy to continue smoking cannabis - in private - at home - with parental approval.
The drug counselor was stunned at their request, but said he would get back to them in a few days. Well, the word came back and the boy is APPROVED to use cannabis sacrament while going through his Teen Court process!
Is this amazing, or what? This is another great example of EXERCISING RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS. Just like muscles, they get STRONGER!
Two super victories of significant progress in one beautiful day! I just love this planet!
All the very best to you,
Roger
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Rev. Rodger L. Poole
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
Joined: 10 May 2004
Posts: 480
Location: Im not here! Im where things HAPPEN.
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Good post, Pepper.
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| I provided the family with some important documents to take into the drug counselor on their next official visit. State Constitution, R.F.R.A., the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Person's Act of 2000, ordainment papers, etc. |
These are good documents to have on hand. You can download them for free many places on the internet. RFRA refers to the Religious Freedom Reformation Act....just so you know what it means. You can Google any of the above referenced documents online, no problem. As far as ordainment papers, if you are ordained once by any church, thats enough. You never need to be ordained again. Just keep a hold of your ordination credential certificate.
If you are not ordained, but would like to be, you can be ordained at www.ulcseminary.com for FREE, and they will even give you an ordaination credential that you can print out. As far as I am able to understand, there is no age limit on ordainment, so it is your option. If you do choose to become ordained, spend the $5 they ask for, and get a nice credential certificate, suitable for framing. I did, and its well worth a couple of bucks, for the many uses it has.
As far as membership documents from one particular church or another...They can be handy at the 'point of contact', like being confronted for possession or use by a law enforcement officer. If done correctly, it can educate and inform the officer of our religious right to practice Shamanism. If done incorrectly, it looks like a membership card to the Mickey Mouse club. Any tool is only as good as the person using it. The documents arent really as important as knowing your rights. They are just there to talk for you , until you learn how. They also have the secondary property of establishing sincerity, which is a prerequisite for legally using Cannabis religiously, but that can be proven in many other ways.
The funny thing about it is....You can make your own documents that say the same thing, and they are just as valid as any you might buy, from a legal standpoint. You are not required to belong to ANY church for you to legally ask that your rights be respected. Belonging to THC Ministry does not give you the right to religiously use Cannabis...The Constitution does.
Not to mention this golden-oldie:
"Neither this Court, nor any branch of this Government, will consider the merits or fallacies of a religion. Nor will the Court compare the beliefs, dogmas, and practices of a newly organized religion with those of an older, more established religion. Nor will the Court praise or condemn a religion, however excellent or fanatical or preposterous it may seem. Were the Court to do so, it would impinge upon the guarantees of the First Amendment..."
ULC vs. State of California, Judge James F. Battin presiding, 1974
We are free to worship as we please...period. No magic card, or sheet of paper will give you freedom...only knowing your rights, and standing up for them. Good luck to you.
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Stop being a slave to Cannabis, and do something with your life! How much is smoking weed going to cost you before you will WAKE UP?
Put down the and pick up a book every once in a while for Pete's sake.
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RogerChristie
Cannabis Sacrament Minister.
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
Posts: 1098
Location: Hilo, Kingdom of Hawai'i
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 11:50 am Post subject: A new friend, but NOT a new member |
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Hello WillTuttle,
Aloha. Everyone joining the THC Ministry must be 21 or older, EXCEPT for those who live independent of their parents, OR those who have their parents written permission to join us for a special reason.
We strive to exist in harmony with our communities and here on the internet. That in itself is a challenge as many cannabis culture people are persecuted on a daily basis. Be that as it may, I feel it's best that we keep in integrity with parents and with law enforcement officers the world over.
Consciously letting 16 year olds into this ministry would probably do us harm, sooner or later; probably sooner! I don't want any mad-Moms or mad-Dads calling or visiting me about corrupting their children. It ain't gonna happen. Zero membership. Zero kit. Until your 21st birthday, that is.
Become ordained online at www.ulc.org and learn their ways. They have zero age requirement as far as I know.
I can just imagine that you're really an undercover cop trying to 'sting' me. To keep going in this high-stakes game of life, I feel that I must be all about respect. Respect for you, your parents and the law.
All the best,
Roger
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Hello I’m a new member just found out about the THC Ministry today. I noticed in a couple different places the mentioning of the age limit of 21. I was curious to the reason why this age limit is enforced and if I could still receive the Cannabis Sanctuary Kit & Legal Defense Package at the exhilarating age of 16. I am still trying to grasp the concept of this it has taken me by surprise; I was not aware of a religion such as this and am overwhelmed with joy that I came across it. |
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zero
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
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Roger mentioned my name three times in that last post.
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zoltron
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| Roger mentioned my name three times in that last post. |
0000 = 4 times..........& you deserve every 1........[j/k mi amigo  ]
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