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Torkel
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 Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:55 am Post subject: Legalize Drugs-Limit the income for terrorists? |
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I just saw part of this on Fox News. I don't have any specifics on this, but I definately saw it & the Fox News host was talking with two men about the benefits of legalizing drugs in order to reduce the terrorist group Al-Quada's finances.
From what I saw & heard one of the men said that legalizing drugs, for adults only, would definately hurt Al-Quada and the other drug lords & limit their ability to operate.
Anyway, I think we should strike while the iron is hot & bombard the legislators with additional benefits to legalize drugs. Convince them it would help with "the war on terror" and whatever else too.
This topic will probably be posted on the Fox & other sites soon if not already.
Peace,
Torkel 
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this is def a good opportunity. Fox news is usually so biased, to have the other side even suggest this as a possibility is almost unreal.
We should make a list of ways we, as a ministry, can help fight terrorism. We should send this list to government officials, offer our support, and who knows, some action might be taken. Even a denial would be significant on our part.
We need to offer up some good solutions. Even offer our help in the legalization proccess, as it is our field of expertise.
That might be a good thing too. Take an official stance on terror. Vow to fight these godless dogs with our own sacred mary jane. Offer up our own legalization argument.
Im digging this, this might turn out to be really good.
The THC ministy of Colorado has taken an official stance on terrorists. We leave an open "steel cage match" challenge to any terrorists in the world who would plot against our beloved home soil.
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Torkel
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I visited the fox news website, did a search for this topic and came up with these two clips.
I don't think that either of these was what I saw on fox last night, but here they are for you to look at.
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Stop Terrorism Legalize Drugs
by James W. Harris
--The Drug War, in practice, is a massive government subsidy to terrorists.
The U.S. government is busily investigating numerous ways to cut off the funds of terrorist organizations around the world.
Here's one method guaranteed to immediately gut the biggest single source for terrorist dollars end America's War on Drugs.
The Drug War has created a massive illegal drug market that terrorist organizations -- including bin Laden's organization -- have long used to fund their horrific activities. As Interpol's chief drugs officer, Iqbal Hussain Rizvi, noted in 1994 "Drugs have taken over as the chief means of financing terrorism."
Drug money helped fund the September 11 terrorist attacks. It has long been known that bin Laden was taking advantage of the opportunities created by the Drug War to fund his activities. CBS News observed on May 31, 2000 "For the first time, there is...evidence that Afghanistan's heroin producing poppy fields are funding bin Laden's organization, Al-Qaeda, as well as the Taliban."
Similarly, a few days after the September 11 attacks, House Speaker Dennis Hastert
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said "The illegal drug trade is the financial engine that fuels many terrorist organizations around the world, including Osama bin Laden."
Indeed, an estimated 75% of the world's heroin is currently produced in Afghanistan, according to the Wall Street Journal (October 2, 2001).
Remember, it is not drugs per se, but rather drug *prohibition* that makes it possible for terrorists to earn millions of dollars from producing and selling drugs -- just as alcohol Prohibition made thugs like Al Capone rich in the 1920s.
The Drug War, in practice, is a massive government subsidy to terrorists. End it, and we will end the chief source of terrorism funding around the world -- as well as curing a whole host of other prohibition-related evils. |
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Why we must end the War on Drugs to Win the War on Terrorism.
1. Eliminate black markets that create crime which enables terrorism and supports Narco-governments around the globe and to finally keep the CIA out of the hard drug business.
2. It's time for the US Government to take responsibility for failed drug policies and their own involvement in the drug trade. During the 1980's the CIA ran operations in Central and South America as well as Southwest Asia. The wholesale price of cocaine and heroin went down 500%. Not all the drug cartels together had the power to operate with impunity. There were 17 DEA agents in Pakistan over a ten year period and not one major heroin bust! What's obvious to me is that someone in the CIA had the nifty idea that by making heroin and cocaine cheap they could get the Cartels out of the dope business as there was no longer any profit in it for them! At the same time they could use the funds generated from the drug business to support CIA programs in South and Central America as well as Southwest Asia. The DEA are compromised by CIA agendas all over the globe since the day they were created! They are in effective and obsolete!
What's also obvious to me is that while the DEA and FBI busied themselves arresting non-violent marijuana smokers and medical marijuana patients, terrorists were residing in our own country and living La Vida Loca. A great example being the Rainbow Farm massacre by Federal agents! 120 Federal agents to arrest two hippie marijuana activists who were then killed by FBI snipers. What a disgrace.
3. Legalize heroin and cocaine and anything else that could be considered medicine. Its funny that the words legalize drugs scares most Americans. How else to control drugs? Make them available by prescription. Make clinics where addicts can receive their doses under sterile conditions. By registering all drug addicts and supplying them how better to offer treatment to finally help them break their addiction. As an example why this is so important to finally get help to these afflicted people: a junkie spends 24 hours a day in the search for money to feed a habit and never really has time for self-reflection. A funny thing happens when you supply the drug addict with his doses and an environment where he can enjoy them. The addict no longer has to spend 24 hours a day in search of money and drug's, he now has 24 hours of self-reflection. The adventure has been taken out of the high and it becomes boring. This is what happens when an extraordinary thing becomes ordinary. It becomes boring and at this point the junkies opt for therapy. It's like living in a glass house. Which is not conducive for getting high on heroin or cocaine. Once the adventure and the illegality is out of the picture it becomes boring. In Holland the average age of a heroin addict is forty and addiction rates are going down. Here in the States the average age of a heroin addict is 20 years old and addiction rates are going up. Even the hardcore heroin addicts after sometime will come off drugs using this more compassionate approach to addiction. Get the addict out of the closet and out in the open by registration.
4. The biggest mistake of the War on Drugs has been to classify Marijuana the same as Heroin or Cocaine. An ounce of marijuana now costs as much as an ounce of cocaine and heroin is cheaper than bubblegum! There had always been a separation of the marijuana markets and hard drug markets. Two complete separate scenes that had nothing in common. The prohibition of marijuana and American Foreign Drug Policies has led to hard drug addiction all over the globe. As an example Nepal was the last country where marijuana was legal. In 1973 the King of Nepal made marijuana and hashish illegal in Nepal after receiving 50 million dollars from Richard Nixon. Overnight he created a criminal society. Where once there was no such thing as a Nepalese heroin addict and no opium is grown in Nepal they now have a half million heroin and crack addicts. Heroin and crack are cheap in Nepal and marijuana and hashish are way too expensive for the average Nepalese. Nepal today is 8X poorer than in 1973. Prohibition created a huge black market for hard drugs in Nepal. One of the principal objectives of the Coffeehouses in Amsterdam is to separate the two totally different markets. The last thing a marijuana smoker wants to do is hang out with heroin and cocaine addicts!
5. Its time for the government to admit its mistakes and stop lying to its people. Marijuana is part of our culture and will always be. Marijuana should be totally legal and regulated. The taxes from its sale should go to support rehab clinics for our hard drug addicts. Our farmers should be allowed to grow hemp again. It amazes me that the USA is the only industrial country that does not grow hemp. The government must take responsibility for the hardcore drug addiction that was created due to their failed foreign policies! Think of all the American people in prison for using drugs that came from CIA hard drug pipelines!
6. We no longer can afford the War on Drugs. Why throw good money after bad. Lets face it we need our government to focus on the War on Terrorism. The War on Drugs has been a war on American people. As an example a man in Oklahoma was sentenced to 97 years for 5 marijuana plants! Medical marijuana patients are routinely arrested for using what they consider their medicine in states where medical marijuana is legal! 15,000 people were arrested and put in jail for simple marijuana possession in New York City alone in year 2000! We are going to need our jail space for real criminals who fly airliners into buildings not people who go to Washington Square Park to smoke a  ! Believe me due to our Governments Foreign policies and the enemies we've made we'll need all the jail space we have for terrorists. American Foreign Policy of the last 50 years has had disastrous effects on the Third World.
7. What happened to the Anti-Globalization protestors? What is that supposed to mean? I guess the Government wants the protestors out there with signs reading (We told you so). Lets face it all the zillions we've given to intelligence and still the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing! One thing for sure we must end all black markets in order to be a free society. Never again should the misery of an addict's life go to support people such as Bin Laden! We no longer can afford to have our own government create crime and terrorism! Terrorism is a graveyard littered with the likes of the Shah of Iran, Noriega, Pinochet, Mobuto, Diem, Suharto, Chiang Kai Shek, Marcos, Gulbuddin Hekmaytar, ect.
8. Oil who needs it? How long will the American people be slaves to the oil junkies in Washington D.C.? Why do they that hate us? In the 1970's our good buddy the Shah of Iran threw a $200 million dollar party ($2 billion in today's dollars) while a mile down the road his own people starved. The Shah's guests were served on solid gold plates! It's incredible that in the 21st century we are still using the combustion engine. Or that the Government suppresses hemp whose seeds produce oil that can run an engine. Why do they hate us? Is it because lying is as American as apple pie. The truth will set you free but the truth is what most Americans fear the most! As long as the government speaks with a forked tongue and we accept it, that creates terrorism.
9. Will the 21st century be spent fighting wars created by our Foreign policy from the 20th century? America is going to become like a turtle. Who only sticks his head out to eat but retreats in his shell at any sign of danger! Americans will no longer be able to travel freely in the world. As we continue our gunboat diplomacy into the 21st century Americans had better get used to being at a constant state of War. This War on terrorism is going to go on for quite awhile.
10. A Rabbi told me the world would end 70 days after the WTC tragedy according to a prophesy from the Kabala, November 20th, 2001. In the event this does not take place and we are in for the long haul. The answer to the question why do they hate us is simple. We're hypocrites. There is no such thing as a free American. We are all prisoners of our failed US Government foreign policies, as well as the War on Drugs.
Joseph R. Pietri |
Torkel
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Miller vs U.S. (230 F 2nd 486,489): "The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."
Miranda vs Arizona (384 U.S. 436, 125): "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them."
HAGANS vs LAVINE (415 US 533 N-3,note 5): "Once JURISDICTION is challenged it must be proven by the Plaintiff." |
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