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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: Kucinich announces impeachment charges against Cheney Reply with quote

Kucinich announces impeachment charges against Vice President Cheney
Michael Roston
Published: Tuesday April 24, 2007

Update: The Articles of Impeachment themselves are now available, and can be accessed at a link at the bottom of the story.

After a series of delays, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), a candidate for president in 2008, announced a series of charges against Vice President Dick Cheney in Washington, DC, late in the day. Kucinich alleged that the Vice President had committed a series of impeachable offenses, and he was therefore introducing Articles of Impeachment against Cheney in the Congress today.

Kucinich started off by reading the opening words of the Declaration of Independence, arguing they were "instructive at this moment."

"Whenever any government official becomes destructive of the founding purposes, that official must be held accountable," he said.

The Ohio Democrat's move intended to provide a "defense of the rights of American people to have a government that is honest and peaceful."

Kucinich excoriated the Vice President who he called "a driving force for taking us into war against Iraq under false pretenses, and is once again rattling sabers of war against Iran, with the same intent to drive America into war, again based on false pretenses."

The Ohio Congressman, who is running for president for the second time, noted three charges in his Articles of Impeachment, which were submitted as House Resolution 333. The first concerned manipulation of intelligence about Iraq's threat to the US. The second concerned manipulation of intelligence on the Iraq-Al-Qaida relationship. The last concerned what he called having "openly threatened aggression against the Republic of Iran."

Kucinich claimed the charges were "deeply researched," in the press conference, and insisted that his accusations were not just a political stunt.

"This is not brought forth lightly. I've carefully weighed the options available to Members of Congress, and I have found this path the path that is most important to take," he explained.

Kucinich dodged a question about whether or not he had the support of fellow Members of Congress, and claimed the Articles were just now being examined by Congress members, and "you can't expect anyone to make a snap judgment."

He also said that he was only introducing the resolution, and not going to try and persuade Members of Congress to join him

"I'm not promoting it," he told Wolf Blitzer on CNN's Situation Room.

The former Cleveland Mayor further acknowledged in the press conference that he had not recently spoken with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on the matter. Pelosi had said last year that impeach was "off the table."

In a conference call with today, the Speaker went further, telling RAW STORY that "President Bush was not worth it," because impeachment proceedings would be a distraction from passing Democratic policies that would ensure the party's future political victory.

"We will do more work to make for our own reelection, and maintain a Democratic Congress, and have a Democratic President," she said. "And frankly, for impeachment, George W. Bush is just not worth it. We have great work to do for the American people."

He also acknowledged that he had not yet discussed his charges with Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, whose committee must consider whether or not to forward the articles on to Congress.

A reporter asked Kucinich why the Vice President should be impeached, and not President George W. Bush.

"There is a very practical reason - each and every charge relates to Vice President Cheney's conduct or misconduct in office," he said. But he added, "It is very important that we start with Mr. Cheney because if we were to start with the President, Mr. Cheney would then become president.

He also noted, "We'd have to go through the constitutional agony of impeaching two presidents consecutively."

The full Articles themselves, a large collection of PDF documents, are accessible at Congressman Kucinich's website.

source: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_announces_impeachment_charges_against_Vice_0424.html
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Conyers should pass the effort through the judiciary committee, but will Pelosi and her cronies actually do anything about it?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rev. Adam wrote:
Well, Conyers should pass the effort through the judiciary committee, but will Pelosi and her cronies actually do anything about it?

As a matter of fact, yes she will! Shortly after this was announced she said she would oppose any move to impeach either the Cheney or the Bush. My guess is that she is worried that because she holds the 3rd most powerful seat, the Pelosi might be required to fill the vacancy herself which might then put pressure on her to withdraw our troops from Iraq and if things go badly, it would be her responsibility.

In other words... it's just the same old shit, but a different day. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a different idea of why impeachment won't be supported. First of all Pelosi said for months she wouldn't seek an impeachment against the current administration. The logic is that an impeachment proccess is long and time consuming which would reduce the resources available for Democrats to do their jobs. I think the Democratic strategy is to focus resources on winning the election for President which will affect more change.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When they win the elections we still are in the same old shit, it won't make any difference. Btw, that Clinton woman gives me the creeps.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The idea of the Non-Inhaling One being the First Sir in the White House may indeed provoke such feelings.

BTW, Monica Clinton has graduated on the third-person effect:

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The third-person effect hypothesis states that a person exposed to a persuasive communication in the mass media sees it as having a greater effect on others than on himself or herself (Davison, 1983). This is known as the perceptual hypothesis, but there is also a behavioral hypothesis which predicts that perceiving others as more vulnerable increases support for restrictions on mass media.

The third-person effect hypothesis also argues that people are compelled themselves to take action after being exposed to a persuasive message but this action might not be due to the message itself but to the anticipation of the reaction of others. This action is unpredictable and it might be either in conformity with the message or counter to it.

Oh wait. That was Hillary Lewinsky. I always confuse the two. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When they win the elections we still are in the same old shit, it won't make any difference. Btw, that Clinton woman gives me the creeps.


Imus, the guy fired for using the phrase "nappy headed ho's", never got in trouble for refering to Clinton as a "buck-toothed witch and satan". I think it's because she really is scary to a lot of sensible people.

It's difficult not to feel discouraged when the US is run by a two party system where compromise results in getting the worst outcome. My cynical opinion of politicians is the result of paying attention to what they say and do. I suppose this makes me like Noam Chomsky, an intellectual that is disturbed by the issues but has no answers as to how to solve the problems.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still feel impeachment is necessary. There has to be something that sends a message not only to those in power, but to the mass of lemmings that have no clue what is really happening around here. The people need to hear the message loud and clear over and over again before any will start to de-program.

I agree when Ferre says that things will be no different. Too many people are throwing all their energy at the fortified front line defense which is the politicians. How many times will we cut the puppet from the strings and beat it like a pinata while the puppet masters laugh and dangle another expendable toy in front of our faces?

The money is the answer. It's the root of all their power, yet in reality it's physical existence is a worthless waste of paper and ink.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still feel impeachment is necessary. There has to be something that sends a message not only to those in power, but to the mass of lemmings that have no clue what is really happening around here. The people need to hear the message loud and clear over and over again before any will start to de-program.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pepper -

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It's difficult not to feel discouraged when the US is run by a two party system where compromise results in getting the worst outcome.

Germany currently has a five party system, two big ones and three small ones.

When it had a three party system, from the late 1960s to 2005, the one small party had the power to change the course of the government by switching sides from one big party to the other. This actually happened in the early Reagan years.

Now, the two big parties are in charge, and a change would require two small parties to switch sides simultaneously. Because the colours of the three parties which would remain in charge as a result of this are the same of the colours in the national flag of that country, this scenario has been called the Jamaica coalition.

Of course, the money question is, which issue could motivate free-marketeers, environmentalists and conservatives to find together?
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