It's a fine 'win' considering...

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[Rev. Rodger L. Poole]

Putting something on the plant and sacrament tags is nice, but it does not get sacrament returned, as has been shown by the numerous reports of sacrament being confiscated by our members....

Police do not respect our right to use cannabis religiously, because we dont fight hard enough for it. All of those people who had their sacrament confiscated did nothing about it. Thats where the sincerity is lacking in my opinion.....

The police want you to feel you have been "let off the hook" , when in reality they are the ones on the hook. If an officer who finds sacrament on me says I can leave, I will ask for my bag of legally protected religious sacrament before I go. If they wouldnt give it to me, I would ask for a receipt for it, and the offending officers name and badge number. I would then pass that information along to my attorney, and pursue a lawsuit against the officer, the department, and the city that employs them...How would a Christian react if they were told they could leave, but they have to leave their bible or cross with the officer, and give up ownership rights to it? Bullshit. They wouldnt stand for it in a minute.

The only reason cops do this, is because they are being allowed to do it. If all you want to do is change 4 words on a sacrament tag, thats cool....Personally, I think it deems more action than that. And if ever my time comes, I will rely on myself and my rights.......and not what Im willing to lose so I dont have to get my hands dirty.


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[Rev. Rodger L. Poole]

Putting something on the plant and sacrament tags is nice, but it does not get sacrament returned, as has been shown by the numerous reports of sacrament being confiscated by our members....

Police do not respect our right to use cannabis religiously, because we dont fight hard enough for it. All of those people who had their sacrament confiscated did nothing about it. Thats where the sincerity is lacking in my opinion.....

The police want you to feel you have been "let off the hook" , when in reality they are the ones on the hook. If an officer who finds sacrament on me says I can leave, I will ask for my bag of legally protected religious sacrament before I go. If they wouldnt give it to me, I would ask for a receipt for it, and the offending officers name and badge number. I would then pass that information along to my attorney, and pursue a lawsuit against the officer, the department, and the city that employs them...How would a Christian react if they were told they could leave, but they have to leave their bible or cross with the officer, and give up ownership rights to it? Bullshit. They wouldnt stand for it in a minute.

The only reason cops do this, is because they are being allowed to do it. If all you want to do is change 4 words on a sacrament tag, thats cool....Personally, I think it deems more action than that. And if ever my time comes, I will rely on myself and my rights.......and not what Im willing to lose so I dont have to get my hands dirty.


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Rev. Rodger L. Poole speaks like a Dutchman... maybe worth some consideration, given the results of the Dutch attitude in Holland.

Yep, I agree. If they confiscate your sacrament ask it back! I'll keep it in mind myself, just in case.
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you have given us something to think about before i read this i probly would not ask for it back now i will but if they refuse i doubt i would have the cash to start a lawsuit but believe me if i do have the dough it takes (and the punnishment isnt too harsh if i loose as i have 2 felonies from selling when i was a young adult) you better believe ill try to get it back thanx for the thoughts rodger

roger maybe we should have a couple of possible "script" type scnarios of how us ministers should handle ourselves in police confrontation something similar to the flex your rights video busted only with ministry specific extras i belive this could be very helpfull to prospective ministers

i just got that video & i was realy realy suprised how much it taught me about my rights during police confrontation

if you would like i have a dvd copy25$ & an official downloaded copy5$ cause i couldnt wait for the dvd in the mail i believe if i send you the downloaded one & then destroyed the file on my comp it would be leagal to give it to you that way or i could mail the dvd pm me if you want a copy of it
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[Rev. Rodger L. Poole]

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[Rev. Rodger L. Poole]

Does anyone else see this as the key to setting the precedent for religious use for our members?

It seems to me that if somone is denied the return of their sacrament, one lawsuit would set the precedent, wouldnt it? Isnt that really what we are all about in a nutshell, anyway.... the right to possess and use our chosen sacrament, without interference from law enforcement?

If a member of law enforcement confiscates a members sacrament, or charges them with possession, shouldnt we sue the police dept. for religious discrimination, instead of trying to beat one case at a time on the defense ? We stand a better chance to win, in my estimation, if we put the courts on the defensive. Do we want to "win" one case at a time, or win one case that will take care of all of it? There may be nuances of the law I dont understand, so Im willing to learn.
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Put down the and pick up a book every once in a while for Pete's sake.

"Compassion to those that deserve it, and Justice for all others."

[Rev. Rodger L. Poole]

Does anyone else see this as the key to setting the precedent for religious use for our members?

It seems to me that if somone is denied the return of their sacrament, one lawsuit would set the precedent, wouldnt it? Isnt that really what we are all about in a nutshell, anyway.... the right to possess and use our chosen sacrament, without interference from law enforcement?

If a member of law enforcement confiscates a members sacrament, or charges them with possession, shouldnt we sue the police dept. for religious discrimination, instead of trying to beat one case at a time on the defense ? We stand a better chance to win, in my estimation, if we put the courts on the defensive. Do we want to "win" one case at a time, or win one case that will take care of all of it? There may be nuances of the law I dont understand, so Im willing to learn.
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Stop being a slave to Cannabis, and do something with your life! How much is smoking weed going to cost you before you will WAKE UP?

Put down the and pick up a book every once in a while for Pete's sake.

"Compassion to those that deserve it, and Justice for all others."

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Some of us are just lucky to get let go without an ass kicking.

I hate to pull this card, but its the truth, bieng a minority, cops arent exactly nice. First, they ask you what gang you represent, even if your a 27 year old grown ass man with two jobs. then, they want to know why you are lying to them about bieng in a gang, even if you really arent. thats when they usually start getting rough, pushing you around and telling you your a bullshitter. If you dont tell them a gang name, you will be there all day long. Trust me, Ive been there all day long. If you tell them, "i use to be in a gang, about 15 years ago, but now I work and support my kid" they want to classify you as that gang and wont leave until you tell them a name.

You guys can deal with the cops, I find it alot easier just to run. Dont critisize me until you have walked a few blocks in my shoes
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You're getting warm brother Rodger. In fact you're getting red hot.

Again you hit the nail on the head, there's no need to change any existing laws, all there is to it is to demand your lawful rights. And yep, we Dutchies have a reputation in demanding our rights, well, it's not even that, we have a reputation of letting no one on earth touch those rights, specially not by people who are in service to us. That includes all politicians and justice system employees, they work for us (the people) down here and we are very good at reminding them.

That's all there is to it, remind the bureaucracy who they actually work for. You know, who pays their wages and such?
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You're getting warm brother Rodger. In fact you're getting red hot.

Again you hit the nail on the head, there's no need to change any existing laws, all there is to it is to demand your lawful rights. And yep, we Dutchies have a reputation in demanding our rights, well, it's not even that, we have a reputation of letting no one on earth touch those rights, specially not by people who are in service to us. That includes all politicians and justice system employees, they work for us (the people) down here and we are very good at reminding them.

That's all there is to it, remind the bureaucracy who they actually work for. You know, who pays their wages and such?
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i do think this sounds like possibly the best way to set precident especialy if they didnt charge you cause its like addmition for the cop.

if i didnt have the felonies & i could afford it i would purposfully get arrested in a polite way by just telling a cop that i had it in my pocket & that im on my way home for a religious ceramony. i wouldnt realy be worried about a possesion charge if all did not work out well.
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Wow, think we could get a camera on scene!
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Wow, think we could get a camera on scene!
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