It Ain't Easy Being Red, White and Blue

Delta9THCUSA · High and aware Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 15

This post was moved by moderator from "Issues of War and Peace" to "Jokes, Games and Funnies".

I am not trying to be funny here, I must believe that below as an American to be true to Liberty, Self Evident Truth and God Almighty.

Use free-will wrong and America gonna have something to say about it.

Maybe a comment by the moderator that moved this is in order now -- what is so funny here, overcoming tyranny has already cost us Americans one fine mother's son solider too many?

The media blows smoke up your ears and tyrannts hide behind such reporting to get more intrenched.

Americans that lead the herd rather all be and see all dead then see anyone be controled by tyranny.

My hopes and wishs entirely for us all, all or nothing, with war in the middle.

Please return post to "Issues of War and Peace".

Nachtschattenreich · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject:

Can you spot which plants and/or chemicals may be at work in these men?

**RevErikM** · Shaman Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 235

I'd say that Chavez and Bob(I'm not typing his full name) have been sharing and chewing khat (catha edulis) and coca (erythoxylum coca) leaves with one another...

but, I've been wrong before.
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**Ferre** · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject:

I had moved this post (when it had no replies yet) to the jokes forums brother.

After viewing the video that you had linked to, I Regarded it as a joke.

I failed to see how a video compilation of Bush singing a John Lennon song could be serious enough to stay in the 'issues of war and peace' forums, and to be honest, I still don't, I also fail to see how making speculations on what drugs two political leaders are on could be serious enough to be in this forum. (there's anough of that sort of bad tasted speculations going on a faux news already

However, I moved it back. Wink

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Delta9THCUSA · High and aware Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 15

**aeroplane** · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject:

**Ferre** · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:00 am Post subject:

Bro Delta, for your information, in case you wonder, Brother aeroplane is also one of the moderators on these boards.
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Delta9THCUSA · High and aware Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 15

What peace ever emminated or issued from a tyrannt?

As Jesus historicaly taught (take the Bibles word on that OK), turn the other cheek, turning cheek to a tyrannt just gets the other cheek slapped and nose broken.

A lesson in turning cheek was kinda the guy in China's Tennamen Square that stoped a tank by standing in front of it with a shopping bag. Do you suppose for a moment that guy would have lasted a second under battle conditions?

If all want peace and one is not peaceful, how far does shuning that person go?

If we start to get good answers here, we may win the peace, I agree Ferre, HOW DO WE DECLARE PEACE AND WIN?

People too "something" to get peace in mass so far, we would have peace if people acted smarter. Where is the peace? America showed 3-4 % of population can make a change come about and work, the snowball just grows.

Just a note, are any forms of tyranny in your personal and ministerial lives? Just saying following the rules does not count, it is the rules causing war now. Do you one or another have a drug (cig, alochol, worse) habit say? How about the taxing authority or the rent collector being tyranny? Does your hunger run you wild feeding the family and take the rest of your money you already having short? Will the school send your kid home if he/she believes what they are hearing is junk and says so to the point of telling instructors to shut up (my mom in post WWII Germany in the Catholic school - condemned to kneel on wood everytime for asking probing questions to Nuns, mom has scares on knees, she resisted daily)?

I'm tuned into American mind set. Is Aeroplane tuned to here or Europe. I see Feere is in Holland.

I'm hoping a answer emerges for us to live and teach by.

What form of tyranny or release occurs in the Ministers development of KaneBosm and it's distribution? Is there a internal tyranny to the ones that would like sacrament or is the sacramental service 24/7 for those that would move into a church pew to be with their one and only experience worth living for now, to be where they feel best defined and accomplished? (That person would be me, I'd live 24/7 in the church to seek sacramental voyages, experience and awarnesses - where is my monistary now, my own is later, in God's time?).

Seen one Minister in Nevada is offering free KaneBos resources in forum. Hear people say a lot. I'll sign up. I cannot buy at the going rate and gladly take the three ounces I could smoke a month gratis or on small donation basis, say 10% income. To share sacrament you might as well send me three pounds a month, I'd preach, teach and have communion all the time.

Open dialogue is where the answers come from and I hope my ideas will eventually get to the crux of the matter in this forum of thinkers.

Show us how to make and get peace to work. Otherwise better be glad America came out of years of historical tyrrany and remains ready to lead the world into the future you want or future you need.

Prasie God, God is all and as Cannabis God is the best !!! PEACE, I'll take a pound of that for sure man.

How did Cannabis ever get to be $30 a gram USA??? When will this abuse of rules, laws and people that will glady wait to get you your smoke until the piper is played ever end.

What are the tenets for the ministry that way?

This website is so full of ideas but seen very few solutions advertised or practised in act or advertisment.

I even have trouble understanding what churches in the ministry meet and how. Does this boil down to the collection plate intimidations of conventional religions. Ever heard of sweat equity, how many churches take intrest or labor, few, all want cash.

The franchise qustion is not yet answered, anyone can handle what a Hawii THC ministry is, a Amsterdam THC ministry is, a Arkansas THC ministry is, a Texas THC ministry? And also tell what they might do individualy or collectively and how one or all build together or do they fly the same banner and run home to count their own donations, all else be darned?

Can anyone guide me to build my own monistary?

Sorry I'm so new, but 7000 post are difficult to sift through. How about a top tenet post collection or top practise post collection.

You got a big swamp with lots of alligators, how is the typical "stoner" saint ever going to get through the maze of appearent competition that still goes on IN THE MINISTRYS?

Peace folks, really how ?

**RevErikM** · Shaman Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 235

Peace is a state of being, not a physical occurrence. You cannot rightfully expect "peace" as a physical reality except by you existing in a state of spiritual and emotional peace, because we must kill and devour in order to maintain our physical existence. Peace is existing in harmony first with yourself, second with others. To practice peace, you must practice acceptance - trust that things are as they should be first, then actually view them as being exactly as is necessary for this moment, then decide how you would like to create things in the next moment. Peace is not found in oppression or conquering - how can we establish peace for others if the method we choose is to destroy those who we view as non-peaceful, without utterly annihilating all that exists? If you act in an unpeaceful manner in order to rid yourself of those who deny you and others peace, you cannot simply stop with destroying them, you must also destroy those who helped you destroy the others, then destroy yourself as well, or you have not destroyed all those who were ruining peace.

Peace is a state of being from within. Did you ever see the movie "Shawshank Redemption?" Remember the description of how the lead character would stroll through the yard, as though he was in a park and not in prison? That's peace, man. Be that, and everything you thought was unpeaceful will slow down, Matrix-style, and you'll see the peace "between" the unpeacefulness - even between the bombs exploding and the gunshots echoing in your ears. A peaceful mind is a still mind, and a still mind cannot be moved from the peace it is at with itself and existence.
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**RevErikM** · Shaman Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 235

You asked for the THC Ministry tenets before, I gave you my personal ones, but I didn't notice you responding to them. Here they are again, cut and pasted from: http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7870&start=30
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My personal tenets are:

I must do that which I feel to be right, without imposing myself upon another's sense of what is right, except where I would be stopping them from willfully or by neglect injuring or robbing another.

Providing for my children until they are able to protect and provide for themselves must take precedence over my own personal needs, except to the extent where neglecting my own needs would stop me from properly providing for and nurturing them.

I must properly care for all the Sacred Teacher Plants to the greatest extent of my ability, and not carelessly employ them, only calling upon their spirits when I am physically ill or in spiritual need of them; furthermore, I am not to attempt to snare others and bind them to my Will by use of the powers of the spirits of the Sacred Teacher Plants, neither am I to attempt to materially profit from those who need the Sacred Teachers for reasons of physical or spiritual well-being, for I know that willfully misusing the material forms of the Sacred Teachers would leave me unable to call them to me for fellowship and make any act of consumption a spiritually hollow, purely physical event.
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What I would ultimately like to do is establish a place where people can come and train in the spiritual use of the Sacred Teachers and energy cultivation, plus share theory and magical practice for altering the material plane. Along with this, I would like to offer a place that would help guide inexperienced people on Vision Quests, and help them seek the Oracle through the Sacred Teachers. This academy of sorts would have to operate on donations, or have a set fee schedule established which could be waived in special circumstances when those who cannot afford to contribute to the sustaining of the organization are in dire need of spiritual assistance. Though I utterly disdain the idea of having to take in money, I would have to do it for the sake of the ministry, because it could not be self-sustaining when resources used to power and pay the lease, and provide for the care of the plants are not being replenished.

Unfortunately, I cannot do this in the United States without suffering dire consequences. The academy would be raided, and all those present or associated would be arrested on a plethora of charges ranging from possession to manufacturing with intent to distribute, and on to conspiracy. Perhaps my outlook is dismal, but I honestly believe that even if I win an injunction to preserve my religious right, law enforcement officials would still raid the premises just to harass anyone present, whether they filed charges or not. This is another reason I intend to seek political asylum in a foreign nation, though I must first demand justice in this country from this oppression.

Perhaps the situation will change and I will not have to worry about the viciousness of government officials in the future. Perhaps not, only time will tell, but I will still do what I feel is right and just.

Best to you mate, find your peace within,

Erik McBride
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goobud · regular contributor Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 36

The following statement was written by Krishnamurti himself on October 21, 1980 in which he summarizes the teachings. It may be copied and used provided this is done in its entirety. No editing or change of any kind is permitted. No extracts may be used.

"The core of Krishnamurti's teaching is contained in the statement he made in 1929 when he said: 'Truth is a pathless land'. Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a fence of security - religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these images dominates man's thinking, his relationships and his daily life. These images are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man. His perception of life is shaped by the concepts already established in his mind. The content of his consciousness is his entire existence. This content is common to all humanity. The individuality is the name, the form and superficial culture he acquires from tradition and environment. The uniqueness of man does not lie in the superficial but in complete freedom from the content of his consciousness, which is common to all mankind. So he is not an individual.

Freedom is not a reaction; freedom is not a choice. It is man's pretence that because he has choice he is free. Freedom is pure observation without direction, without fear of punishment and reward. Freedom is without motive; freedom is not at the end of the evolution of man but lies in the first step of his existence. In observation one begins to discover the lack of freedom. Freedom is found in the choice less awareness of our daily existence and activity. Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution.

When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts he will see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep radical mutation in the mind.

Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence."

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Nachtschattenreich · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject:

Erik, of course a photograph always leaves some ambiguity on plant involvement. E.g. you can find a lot of similiar photographs depicting sportsmen doing an extreme stunt and it is all from bodymade drugs. On the other hand you can look perfectly sober with a plant at full work inside.

In this case, the interesting question would be what kind of extreme decision is it these men (if not these plants) are weighing?

Peace, as a state of being that is expanded into the world, is an astonishingly temporary phenomenon. In some history book I found a traveller a millennium ago note that he crossed a region that had lived an entire generation in peace. And that would be a definition of war according to which John Lennon died in peace.

**RevErikM** · Shaman Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 235

Well, you can be perfectly sober with a plant full at work on the inside! As long as you don't get to the point where you're "intoxicated," then you're still sober. I've appeared sober to others when I was only half in this world at the time on a few occasions...but then again, they always told me I was "weird" to begin with.

Peace is all about cultivating the enlightenment of the immoveable spirit...resting at the place where emotions do not tear your thoughts and spin them about like a trailer park in a hurricane. That's why I said it's a state of being, not a physical reality - though there are physical realities that wow you into that state of being. Most people confuse those serene views or circumstances with the being at peace, or think peace is the opposite of war; but in all truth, the seat of war is an unpeaceful mind, buffeted about by emotional responses to what is experienced, converting pain to anger or rage, and seeking to drown itself in intoxicating pleasures because it cannot find peace with itself.
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Nachtschattenreich · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject:

After contemplating the meaning of the word beyond mimics I would define as sober a person who is able to successfully control the dosage of his intake.

Apropos weird, I found this: Psychiatric Influence on Terrorism

I wouldn´t by default consider a Scientology frontend as sublime competent on Cannabis in any meaningful way, but the observation that Al-Zawahiri is a psychiatrist-pharmacologist may indeed have as far-reaching implications as the fact that Heinrich Himmler was a chickenbreeder.