Is there any truth to this?

Rokerijdude11 · Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 4:44 pm Post subject: Is there any truth to this?

Or is the media feeding us more lies?

this came from a nederlanse paper i believe in Haarlem

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Haarlem, Febr. 26, 2003.
By: Nol van Schaik, cannabis entrepreneur in Holland.
www.hempcity.net

World wide attack on cannabis and its users launched!

The USA and the UN seem to have nothing else on their hands, the last couple of days, it seems, both Big U’s started an attack on the cannabis culture as such.

The saddest example is the US, as always, the DEA and other authorities have recently started a Bong offensive, meaning they have raided shops and wholesalers of paraphernalia, as bong

s, pipes and rolling papers are called in general.

55 people have been arrested so far, millions worth of goods have been confiscated, and it only seems to be the beginning of another useless, countrywide attempt to stop people smoking cannabis, in bong

s, that is.

It seems to have its effect, even people with cannabis related websites, based in the USA, are already giving in to this new pot terror, www.420times.com has already left cyberspace, due to fear for prosecution. I can understand the fear in the USA, a pot person does not stand a chance in any US court, as the US vs Ed Rosenthal shows, the truth about cannabis may not come out.

It is the climax of low, the US and the DEA can get away with almost anything, one might think their motto is: We lie, we deny, to prevent you from getting high!

The UN is putting pressure on the UK, by condemning Home Secretary Blunkett’s declassification of cannabis to a so-called class C substance. In fact, the declassification of cannabis in the UK will not benefit cannabis users or suppliers, the penalties for the last group will stay in class B, with a maximum penalty of 14 years. If cannabis was really completely downgraded to class C, the maximum penalty for supplying, or dealing cannabis, would have been 5 years maximum, like for supplying steroids and valium, which are in class C as well.

In real life, a pot smoker in the UK will still be prosecuted for smoking a jpint

, and they will still have to buy their cannabis, if available, from dealers that offer hard drugs for sale as well.
The UK’s cannabis market is secured for those who supply all sorts of drugs in the UK for decades now: Organised Crime. They already take the risk of high prison sentences, by supplying class A and B drugs, so a class C drug will not pose any higher risk for them.

Blunkett’s move monopolises organised crime, many cannabis growers in the UK consider stopping their activities after July 3, the day of the official ‘declassification’ of cannabis in the UK.

Cannabis growers in the UK will be considered suppliers; any Magistrate will tell an accused grower they could never smoke the amount they produce themselves, so they must be selling the surplus to others, making them a supplier in the eyes of the Law. The increased penalties for supplying cannabis under the new Law scare them enough to stop growing cannabis. Growing cannabis is the only weapon against organised crime, Blunkett’s move will cause this weapon to lose its ammunition. Homegrown cannabis is also the only effective weapon against soap bar hash, which will regain its ‘popularity’ when herbal cannabis will get scarce…

The UN does not talk about these implications of Blunkett’s ‘solution’ of the cannabis problem in the UK, they only read the words of the people of their stature and importance, politicians and high ranking police-officers.

The UN is also putting pressure on the Dutch government, for allowing cannabis coffeeshops to operate, as always, but this time, with a conservative Minister of Justice in Holland, in an already fallen cabinet, the new government will comply with the UN criticism, by trying to close as many coffeeshops as they can, within the limitations of the Dutch National Coffeeshop Policy.

Minister Donner’s plans for the new governments stance on coffeeshops have already leaked out, he wants to close 400 of the 800 regulated coffeeshops in the Netherlands.

The same Minister Donner that said he would not close the coffeeshops under pressure of Sweden and France, is now about to bow for the demands of the UN, by shouting out loud he will close all coffeeshops he can. Donner also admits the coffeeshops policy is up to the individual Mayor of the City or Municipality, and not a matter of the government, they only set out some shady guidelines in 1976. This means that he will have to rely on the Mayors, to get his will done, this will turn out a mayor problem for Donner, coffeeshops have been accepted as a part of society in the Municipalities they are located, without causing any problems. Coffeeshops are registered leisure companies, they can not be closed by Minister Donner, he could forbid the sales of cannabis from coffeeshops, but then, who will maintain his Law? No matter how I feel about it, if the UN and Donner manage to make the Dutch cannabis policy collaps, it will have its impact on all developments on cannabis legislation in the world, we, the coffeeshops, will finally be held up as an example, of the success of prohibition.

All together, this look like a worldwide attack on cannabis and coffeeshops, initiated by the UN and the US, who seemed to have reached agreement over the world endangering cannabis issue! The War on Cannabis has started…where is CNN?

Translation of Haarlems Dagblad, Feb. 26, 2003:

Donner want hard line on softdrugs

‘Neighbourhoods in hands weed gangs’

By: Ap van den Berg and Ferdi Schooten

The Hague/GPD- Justice Minister Donner (CDA) wants to tighten the tolerance policy for softdrugs and bring it in line with European legislation. A confidential report shows he wants ‘a sharp decrease in the number of coffeeshops’. Donner also wants to discourage druguse and homegrowing. It has been confirmed by reliable sources around the minister.

If it was up to Donner, he will start a major offensive against illegal hemp plantations. It happens more often that criminal gangs use houses and basements in the poorer neighbourhoods, as it states in not yet published research of criminologist Prof. Dr. Frank Bovenkerk. According to Bovenkerk, the results from his report will be used ‘to reconsider the softdrugs policy critically’.
The criminologist states there are 20 neighbourhoods, spread over the whole off the Netherlands, controlled by weed gangsters.

Around 60 % of the crop is exported to foreign countries. The police usually only manages to catch the growers, mainly mothers on benefits, junks and people in great debts. The gangs, who supply for the necessary equipment, the plants, the utilities and the clipping, always escape from prosecution.

The Minister will offer his suggestions to the Parliament on short notice. Because Donner is also the informer for the new government’s formation, his prerogatives will come to order during the formation of the Cabinet.

The PvdA (The CDA’s only coalition partner) does not feel anything for a hard line on softdrugs. This party thinks the police can use its energy way better for catching crooks.
The CDA, however, fears that smoking a jpint

will sooner lead to a transfer to hard drugs.

The number of coffeeshops has already decreased noticeably over the last 5 years. At present, our country counts a little under 800 cannabis outlets (806,nvs) for marihuana and weed?, compared to around 1500 in 1998. The main loss of coffeeshops occurred in the big cities.

But, according to Donner, another 400 coffeeshops will have to be closed within a year, minimum. In fact, Municipalities can decide over the softdrugs policy independently.
By tightening the current policy, Donner wants to force municipalities in to complying.

By bringing the Dutch softdrugs policy more in line with the stance of the EU member states, Donner hopes to make good agreements about the smuggling of humans, terrorism protection and asylum policy.

“Some countries, amongst whom France, do not keep themselves to these agreements because of the Dutch softdrugs policy”, said a spokesman.

Source: Haarlems Dagblad, 26 Februari 2003.

Echo · Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 8:27 pm Post subject: I am afraid it's all true...

All you have said here is not new to me. Yes, the USA are putting pressure on the UK, and the rest of the world for that matter. I live here and I can assure you that we can feel the pressure coming strong. Tomorrow there'll be the Million Marijuana March. I'll be there at Brockwell Park in London with some friends if it doesn't rain too hard. That is a good way to get to know what's really going on.

And there's more to it.

Cannabis will be downgraded to class c next Summer, true, but at about the same time the Criminal bill will be approved and with that the police will make sure they can still arrest class c drugs consumers. We are at loss.

On top of that growers will be regarded as suppliers with the new law, so if you want to grow for yourself be very careful, you could get in trouble. Can thingsget any worse? I guess they can... I didn't really mean to ask.

Echo
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**Ferre** · Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 8:51 pm Post subject:

There are a few politicians in Holland who are licking Dumbya's ass as much and as deep as they can. what they didn't count on is that the majority of the other politicians, and their parties, are FOR total legalisation,..as they have declared last week,.. so that little goof Balkenende, who want's to be prime minister (and probably will be) will have some serious opposition, see, there are a few of those nerds here in politix, we have Balkenende, Donner and Zalm, all of them trying to sell our democratical system out to the same folks that own Dumbya&co. It won't work here, we are watching them and the people don't like what they see. The opposition is very strong and the Dutch parliament isn't even in place yet, the last two kabinets fell within a year so I wonder how long they will try to "rule" us this time before it all collapses again.

The DEA and FBI are currently trying to get foot in Holland, Balkenende is trying to get some laws passed silently(like the patriot act) to make it possible for the US to work on Dutch territory but there's been questions by other politicians about this whole affair and now it's in the open it don't stand a chance. All and all, YES, THERE IS A WAR GOING ON, a war on us, all of us, the world's sitizens and our politicians are bought, turning the system that is invented to protect us, into a system that controles us if we don't stop them somehow. It's sad, but it's the times we live in right now.
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Rokerijdude11 · Posted: Sat May 03, 2003 4:02 am Post subject:

Thank you both for the input here
The new prime minister was saying some things that i knew that the People would not go along with

and so i see the british legalization is much like our medical legalization in certain states its officially legal in words yet the governments are not abiding by the will of the people

I remember a few years back i was in holland and i remember our drug czar being there and being ignorant to the dutch govt i remember reading about it online in one of the shoppes while i was there he had just insulted them that afternoon

This is an evil country I am living in I will certainly end up fleeing it as the noose grows ever tighter around the necks of the american people
to evin begin to what i feel about my so called govt would take days and post upon post

the funny and ironic thing is that im supposed to live in the freest country in the world according to them

hah what a joke

I have tasted real freedom

i yearn for it daily soon the day will come for me

thank you again for the info it is great to have folks across the pond to speak to about these things

R.D.

Maui420L · getting into high spirits Joined: 07 May 2003 Posts: 3

Yes...the noose is definately tightening....
If Dubya gets second term which it seems he will...things will get much worst...
FEMA has plans for detention cities if another attack happens here and those of us who are not politically correct will find ourselfs rounded up and held there...
Travel out of the US could also be controlled and anyone not politically correct could be kept from leaving the US....
Also, the old National identity card is raising it's head again and gaining support...it will also identify you as a drug criminal if you have a conviction.
Try and get a job then or an apartment...or credit...
I also agree that the land of the free is crumbling...there are far better places to be right now....