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Iraqi captors warned Italian journalist
Monday 07 March 2005, 23:57 Makka Time, 20:57 GMT
Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, in an interview with Aljazeera, said
her Iraqi captors warned her that US-led forces might threaten her life,
foreshadowing the deadly shooting that followed her release.
Sgrena on Monday described her captivity in Iraq, the circumstances of her
release and her narrow escape when US soldiers fired on the vehicle
carrying her to Baghdad airport, killing Italian secret service officer
Nicola Calipari on Friday.
Sgrena, who had been freed minutes before the shooting by her Iraqi
captors after a month in captivity, is recovering in a Rome hospital from
a bullet wound to the shoulder.
"I thought I had gained freedom when we headed for Baghdad airport in the
car with Nicola, who had got me freed and who now sat beside me to provide
me confidence and warmth," she said.
She said the car in which she and her Italian security escorts were
travelling had already passed through several US checkpoints on the way to
the airport - which was just about 700 metres ahead - when suddenly
bullets begin flying without warning.
"There were no checkpoints around and our car was travelling at normal
speed," she said.
"When the shooting began, he (Calipari) had thrown himself on me to
protect me. I tried to help him but he was dying. Later I learned that he
had been killed instantly.
Worst moment
Sgrena, who writes for the Italian daily Il Manifesto, called this the
worst moment she had ever experienced. "Nicola protected me and saved my
life by sacrificing his own," she told Aljazeera.
She said she has been told that Calipari was crucial in securing her
freedom. "My family and the papers have told me that his role was vital as
he maintained good relations with everybody."
She described Calipari as "the symbol of her hopes", adding that "when I
heard his voice, I realised that freedom was imminent".
Asked whether there was coordination between the Italian authorities in
Baghdad and US forces, Sgrena said she has learned that the Italian
intelligence officers accompanying her were in contact with the Italian
authorities in Baghdad and in the Green Zone.
But there was no direct coordination between the Italian secret service
officers and US forces, she said. "This has led me to believe that
whatever direct coordination existed, must have existed between the
Italian authorities on the ground and the US forces.
"I believe there was coordination and all the necessary steps had been
taken with regard to the US forces. After all, we were heading for the
airport which lies in the US zone of control."
Questioned about her experience in captivity, Sgrena told Aljazeera she
was treated well, particularly in matters of food and whatever else she
needed, including medicines. But she added, "Being imprisoned in a room
was neither pleasant nor easy."
Foreigners unwelcome
As for the possible motives behind the abduction, Sgrena said her captors
insisted that "all means are justified to liberate Iraq since it is under
occupation", adding that they did not want foreigners or journalists in
their country.
She said: "This was what convinced me that it was impossible for me to go
on working as a journalist in Iraq and that I would never return to the
country."
On whether her captors had warned her that the US forces would never allow
her to leave Iraq alive, Sgrena said this is what they told her: "Now you
are free to leave. But you must be cautious, because the US forces and the
Iraqi police may not be willing to let you leave Iraq alive."
She said her captors had told her they would do their best to secure a
safe departure for me but that US forces might not permit this.
"I took it as some kind of an anti-American propaganda before I was
freed," Sgrena said. "But when the shooting occurred [near the airport], I
recalled their words. Curiously enough, it happened exactly as they had
told me."
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2FEB8844-A37E-4463-BFCB-5F58EDF946E6.htm
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- They had already passed several US checkpoints.
- The US knew they were comming.
- There was no checkpoint where the shooting started.
- The car was travelling at normal speed.
- There was no warning.
makes you wonder doesn't it?
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Italy Doubts US Version on Agent Killing
We ask for truth and justice, Fini said. (Reuters)
ROME, March 8, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) Italy expressed
Tuesday, March 8, skepticism over a US version on the shooting by US
troops of its top intelligence agent in Iraq as he tried to shield a freed
journalist from a hail of bullets.
The reconstruction of the event (by Italy) does not coincide fully with
what the American authorities have told us, Foreign Minister Gianfranco
Fini told the Italian parliament.
In his account of the shooting to parliament, which has sparked a
diplomatic row with Rome's US allies, Fini said the reconstruction by
Washington of the events which led to Calipari's death differed notably
from Italy's.
In an initial report into the killing, the US military said the convoy
carrying Calipari and released hostage Giuliana Sgrena was traveling at
excessive speed.
However, Fini said the car was traveling at not more than 40 kilometres an
hour (25 mph) and its interior was lit up to facilitate checks and allow
people to make phone calls.
Calipari phoned (Italy's intelligence minister Gianni) Letta and (military
intelligence chief Nicolo) Pollari to tell them of the journalist's
release and to the American authorities to inform them he would soon be
entering the airport, said Fini.
In the darkness of the afternoon, they were stopped by a strong light
shone on their car from the side of the road, Fini said, adding that the
shooting began immediately after the vehicle had halted.
This is again at odds with the American military account, that warning
shots had been fired.
The volley of shots, which included tracer bullets, came from several
automatic weapons and lasted 10-15 seconds, Fini added.
Another Italian agent was pulled from the vehicle, forced to his knees 10
meters from the car and succeeded with difficulty to identify himself and
Calipari, who was by that time dead, as belonging to the Italian
diplomatic delegation.
Sgrena, who was wounded in the shooting spree, said US occupation forces
in Iraq deliberately tried to kill her because Washington opposed
negotiations with her kidnappers.
Details about the checkpoint provided to CNN by a senior US official were
disputed by Sgrena in an interview with the television news service.
It was not a checkpoint. It was not a checkpoint, because a tank was not
on the road, she told a CNN reporter through an interpreter in an
interview.
It was parked on the side of the road. There was no indication that it was
a checkpoint.
Contact Made
Italian President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi greets released hostage Sgrena in
her hospital room. (Reuters)
Fini dismissed Washington's view that a lack of communication was
responsible for the death of Nicola Calipari, and demanded that the United
States identify and punish those responsible for the shooting.
An experienced operator in Iraq, Calipari had made all the necessary
contacts with US authorities in Baghdad, the foreign minister said.
It seems to me necessary that full light be shed on the areas which have
remained in the dark, to determine those responsible, and if anyone is
found to be responsible, to ask and obtain that those guilty are punished.
We ask for truth and justice, Fini said.
Anti-US Sentiment
The foreign minister, however, warned against creeping anti-Americanism in
the country over the incident.
We hope that this is not an opportunity to whip up political campaigns and
to sow anti-American sentiment in public opinion, which certainly have no
reason to exist.
During Caliparis state funeral Monday, hundreds of Italians protested
against Washington and demanded the immediate withdrawal of Italian troops
from Iraq.
US President George W. Bush has promised a full investigation into the
incident, which has fanned anti-American sentiment in Italy and rekindled
opposition to the US-led war in Iraq and calls for a withdrawal of Italy's
3,000-strong military contingent from the country.
Agent Calipari has been hailed as a hero in Italy with thousands of
Italians taking to the streets in a silent protest at his killing.
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In the darkness of the afternoon, they were stopped by a strong light
shone on their car from the side of the road, Fini said, adding that the
shooting began immediately after the vehicle had halted. |
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My truth (La mia verità)
Giuliana Sgrena/Il Manifesto | March 8 2005
I am still in the darkness. Last Friday was the most dramatic day of my life since I was abducted.
I had just spoken with my abductors, who for days kept telling me I would be released. So I was living in wait. They said things that I would understand only later. They talked of transfer related problems. I had learned to understand which way the wind blew from the attitude of my two "sentinels," the two fellows who watched over me every day—especially one of them, who attended to my requests, was incredibly bold. In the attempt to understand what was going on, I provocatively asked him if he was happy because I would go away or because I would stay. I was surprised and happy when, for the first time, he told me, "I only know you will go, but I don't know when."
To confirm that something new was happening, at one point they both came in the room to reassure me and joke: "Congratulations," they said, "you are leaving for Rome." To Rome, that's what they were saying.
I had a weird feeling, because that word immediately evoked liberation but also projected a void inside myself. I realized it was the most difficult moment of my abduction and that if all I had lived yet was certain, now an abyss of heavy uncertainties was widening. I changed my clothes.
They came back: "We'll escort you, but don't give signals of your presence, otherwise the Americans might intervene." That was not what wanted to hear. It was the happiest and also the most dangerous moment. If we ran into someone, meaning American troops, there would be an exchange of fire, and my captors were ready and they would have responded. I had to have my eyes covered. I was already getting used to a temporary blindness.
About what happened outside, I only knew that in Baghdad it had rained. The car ran safely in a muddy area. There was the driver and the same old abductors. I soon heard something I didn't want to hear. A helicopter flying low over the area we had stopped in. "Don't worry, now they will come look for you . . . within ten minutes they will come." They had spoken Arabic all the time, some French and much broken English. Now they spoke in this way, too.
Then they got out of the car. I stayed in that condition of immobility and blindness. My eyes were stuffed with cotton, and covered by sunglasses. I was motionless. I thought . . . what do I do? Should I start counting the passing seconds to another condition, the one of freedom? I had just started counting when I heard a friendly voice: "Giuliana, Giuliana, this is Nicola, don't worry, I've talked to Gabriele Polo, don't worry, you're free."
He took my cotton blindfold and sunglasses off. I felt relieved, not for what was going on, which I didn't understand, but for Nicola's words. He kept talking nonstop, he was uncontainable, a flood of friendly words and jokes. I finally found comfort, almost physically, a warm comfort I had long since forgotten.
The car proceeded on its way, through an underpass full of puddles, almost skidding to avoid them. We engaged in incredible laughter. It was relieving. Skidding along a road full of water in Baghdad and maybe have a bad car crash after all I had experienced would not be really explainable. Nicola Calipari sat by my side. The driver had notified the embassy and Italy twice that we were heading to the airport, which I knew was controlled by the American troops. It was less than one kilometre, they told me . . . when. . . . I remember only fire. At that point a rain of fire and bullets came at us, forever silencing the happy voices from a few minutes earlier.
The driver started shouting we were Italians, "We are Italians! We are Italians . . ." Nicola Calipari dove on top of me to protect me and immediately, and I mean immediately, I felt his last breath as he died on me. I must have felt physical pain, I didn't know why. But I had a sudden thought: I recalled my abductors' words. They said they were deeply committed to releasing me, but that I had to be careful because "the Americans don't want you to return." Back then, as soon as they had said that, I had judged their words to be meaningless and ideological. In that moment such words risked to take the taste of the most bitter truth away. I can't tell the rest yet.
This was the most dramatic moment. But the month I spent as a kidnap victim has probably changed my life forever. One month alone with myself, prisoner of my deepest belief. Each hour was a pitiless test of my work. Sometimes they kidded me. They even asked me why I would leave and asked me to stay. I pointed out that I had personal relationships. They led me to think to such priorities that too often we put aside.
"Ask for your husband's help," they told me. And I did so in the first video, the one I think you all have watched. My life has changed. Same as Ra'ad Ali Abdulaziz's, the Iraqi engineer from "Un Ponte per" who was abducted with Simona & Simona. "My life is no longer the same," he told me. I didn't understand. Now I know what he meant. Because I have experienced the hardness of the truth, I realize the difficulty of communicating it, and the weakness of trying to.
In the first days of my abduction I didn't shed a single tear. I was simply mad. I told them directly: "How can you abduct me, if I am against the war?" And they started a fierce debate. "Yes, because you want to speak to the people, we would never abduct a reporter who stays shut in the hotel. And then the fact you say you're against the war could be a cover up." I would reply, almost provoking them: "It's easy to abduct a weak woman like me, why don't you do it to the American officers?" I insisted that they couldn't ask the Italian government to withdraw its troops; that they had to address the Italian people who were and are against the war, not Italian government.
It was a month of ups and downs, moments of hope and moments of deep depression. Like when the first Sunday after my abduction, in the Baghdad house where I was prisoner and where there was a satellite television dish, they let me see the EuroNews. I saw my poster on the Rome city hall building. I was relieved. Soon after, however, a claim from the Jihad announced I would be executed if Italy didn't withdraw its troops. I was frightened. But they reassured me that it wasn't them, that people should have mistrusted those proclamations, that they were a "provocation." I often asked the one who seemed more approachable and who looked more like a soldier: "Tell me the truth, you will kill me". Nonetheless, many times, we talked. "Come see a movie on TV," they told me, while a Wahhabi woman, covered from head to foot, hung around the house taking care of me.
The abductors seemed a very religious group, constantly praying the Koran verses. But on Friday, at the time of my release, the one who seemed the most religious and who used to wake up at 5 o'clock every morning to pray, "congratulated" me and incredibly shook my hand—it is not a usual behaviour for an Islamic fundamentalist—adding "If you behave, you'll leave soon." That was followed by a rather humorous episode. One of my two guards came to me astonished because the TV showed my photographs displayed in European towns and also on Totti. Yes, Totti (the Rome football team player, T.N.). The guard said he said he was a Rome team fan and he was amazed that his favourite player had taken to field with "Free Giuliana" on his T-shirt.
I now live with no more certainties. I find myself deeply weak. I failed in my belief. I had always claimed there was need to go tell about that dirty war. And I had to decide whether to stay in the hotel or going out and chance being abducted because of my work. "We don't want anyone any more," the abductors told me. But I wanted to tell about the bloodbath in Falluja through the refugees' tales. And that morning the refugees and some of their "leaders" didn't listen to me. I had in front of me the evidence of what the Iraqi society has become with the war and they threw their truth in my face: "We don't want anyone. Why don't you stay home? What such interview can be useful for?". The worst collateral damage, the war killing communication, was falling on me. On me, who had risked it all, challenging the Italian government that didn't want reporters gong to Iraq, and the Americans who don't want our work that gives witness to what that country has really turned into with the war, despite what they call elections.
Now I wonder. Is their refusal a failure?
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/march2005/080305mytruth.htm
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| That was moving. I hope the western press will carry her story. Okay, I'm in touch with reality, I know they won't. |
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| That was moving. I hope the western press will carry her story. Okay, I'm in touch with reality, I know they won't. |
The Western press does carry this story brother, maybe the American press isn't but here in Europe no one doubts that this was no accident.
It just adds up to all the other lies we know the US government is telling the world.
In fact it is hard to find anyone outside the US who doesn't think the US government is lying as soon as open their mouth. Too many lies already and their credits have worn out. Those government officials are too dumb to realize that and they just go on and on.
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Very well said Ferre. This is indeed a touching story, and an extremely sad incident.
It's frightening to the core to realise what lengths the people controlling our gov't. will go to for the purpose of thier own personal gain. I mean come on, everybody here thinks a boeing 757 hit the pentagon regardless of the videos and photos readily available that blatantly prove otherwise.
Even more frightening is how people will blindly follow and fiercely defend a gov't. that is based on freedom yet sees it fit to bestow it's beliefs on the rest of the world. This is an oxymoron in it's purest form.
Not that the beliefs or principles that america was founded upon are truely the reason for this nonsense. It's plain to see the motives of those in control. Gee, two big oil millionaires with ties to the Saudis take over Iraq and award billions of dollars in contracts to the company that the VP was CEO of and nobody questions it. INSTEAD, they re-elect them both!
The power of the nievity that we all face is the most staggering part. You know, almost ALL of Germany was behind Hitler and the third reich. They believed in the propoganda spewed forth by thier leaders and never once stopped to think for themselves. Look how dangerous they were. Yet, here we sit, the world's largest super power a mere 60 years later turning in to what it once despised. |
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| The power of the nievity that we all face is the most staggering part. You know, almost ALL of Germany was behind Hitler and the third reich. They believed in the propoganda spewed forth by thier leaders and never once stopped to think for themselves. Look how dangerous they were. Yet, here we sit, the world's largest super power a mere 60 years later turning in to what it once despised. |
Amen, Rev. Adam... I keep reminding people not to look for cosmetic similarities with the Hitlerian era. The truth is much different than any superficial similarities.
American fascism looks and smells just like bubblegum and hamburgers.
BTW, historically speaking, the allies may have won WWII...but, somehow, the Nazis seem to be in charge.
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| Look how dangerous they were. Yet, here we sit, the world's largest super power a mere 60 years later turning in to what it once despised. |
Not turning, brother. We've already turned.
My only question is ... who's going to take on the job of straightening 'us' out? 
A daunting task, indeed.
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US troops did target journalists!
March 9, 2005 — The recent shooting incident in Iraq involving freed Italian hostage Giuliana Sgrena has shed some new light on the conditions under which journalists in Iraq operate. In fact, observers have raised the possibility that Giuliana may have been targeted for her critical coverage of the US occupation.
The accusation of US military attacks on journalists is not a new one. And the forgetful corporate media would be well advised to reconsider the pillorying of Eason Jordan just mere weeks earlier.
Eason Jordan is a CNN executive who recently accused US troops of deliberately attacking and killing no less that 12 journalists in Iraq. The ensuing furor resisted his dubious retractions, and within two weeks he had resigned his position at the network.
But, in reality, overrated bloggers, credited with his demise, offered nothing more than organized indignation to the development of this story. And as you will see, it would have taken little investigative effort to discover that Jordan was actually telling the truth.
Without dispute, for example, is that US troops are guilty of killing journalists in Iraq, with one figure (1)placing their share at a full one-third of the media death toll. Included among these victims are Al Jazeera journalists killed in US bombing raids (2), and Al Iraqiya journalists shot (3)immediately after interviewing Iraqi police in Baghdad.
Indeed the inconsolable survivors had no doubt about the motive (4)of their attackers: "We were targeted because the Americans don't want the world to see the crimes they are committing against the Iraqi people."
But as extreme as it sounds such an assessment is very much in line with US policy as articulated in the recent past. Both Iraqi and Serb state television, in fact, were bombed because, according to officials (5), they were " . . . full of government employees who are paid to produce propaganda and lies . . . we see that as a military target.".
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AAHH, THE "OFFICIAL EXCUSE" IS IN!!
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Troops Who Fired On Hostage Were Protecting U.S. Ambassador
POSTED: 7:13 am PST March 10, 2005
UPDATED: 7:59 am PST March 10, 2005
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- U.S. troops who mistakenly killed an Italian intelligence agent last week on the road to Baghdad's airport were part of extra security provided by the U.S. Army to protect U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte, a U.S. official said Thursday.
Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari was killed March 4 when U.S. troops opened fire on a car carrying him and Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who had just been freed from insurgents.
"The mobile patrol was there to enhance security because Ambassador Negroponte was expected through," U.S. Embassy spokesman Robert Callahan said, confirming reports in Italian media. The newspaper La Repubblica reported Wednesday that the checkpoint had been "set up to protect the passage of Ambassador Negroponte."
It was not known if Negroponte, who was nominated last month by President George W. Bush to be the new director of national intelligence, had already passed through the checkpoint.
The shooting took place about 8:55 p.m., about two hours before Baghdad's 11 p.m. curfew. No civilian cars are allowed on Baghdad's streets after curfew.
There was no immediate comment in Rome by Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's office or the Foreign Ministry.
Senior U.S. officials such as the ambassador, who is by far seen as the most important American in Iraq, normally travel by helicopter to avoid roadside bombs and insurgent attacks along the airport road, which are frequent. But U.S. officials in Iraq often vary travel routes and methods so as not to be predictable.
The U.S. Army has launched an investigation into the shooting, which has become a point of contention between the United States and Italy.
Berlusconi has questioned the U.S. Army's version of events, including a claim that the car was speeding and ignored signals to stop.
The Army has acknowledged the checkpoint was temporary but has provided no details about why it was set up.
The day after the March 4 shooting, a spokesman for the 3rd Infantry Division in Baghdad, U.S. Lt. Col. Clifford Kent, said the checkpoint where the shooting occurred had been set up temporarily and wasn't permanent.
Asked at the time about how easy it would be to see American troops at such a checkpoint at night, he said: "Depending on where it is, that could be difficult. But if you're seeing soldiers in military uniform with military equipment, if you know it's a dangerous area, then ... you need to maintain your awareness."
Berlusconi told lawmakers Wednesday that Calipari had informed an Italian liaison officer, waiting at the Baghdad airport along with an American officer, that he was heading there with a freed hostage. He said the car was traveling slowly and stopped immediately when a light was flashed at a checkpoint, before U.S. troops fired on the car.
The top U.S. general in Iraq has said he had no indication that Italian officials gave advance notice of the route the Italians' car was taking. In a statement released after the shooting, the U.S. Army's 3rd Infantry Division, which controls Baghdad, said the vehicle was speeding and refused to stop.
The statement also said a U.S. patrol tried to warn a driver with hand and arm signals, by flashing white lights and firing shots in front of the car.
Though the U.S. and Italian versions of what happened March 4 do not match up, "I'm sure that in a very short time every aspect of this will be clarified," Berlusconi said.
The idea that Calipari was killed by friendly fire is painful to accept, the premier said. But he reassured lawmakers: "The United States has no intention of evading the truth."
Berlusconi is a staunch supporter of President Bush and the U.S.-led campaign and has been struggling to balance his decision to keep 3,000 troops in Iraq against heavy anti-war sentiment in Italy.
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BULLSHIT!!
They make one mistake though: Only a few Americans are brainwashed enough to believe this bullshit. No one in Europe or the rest of the world is buying their lies anymore, specially not when it's bullshit like this story.
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The incompetence starts from the top down....
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I'm one of those americans who isn't so easily pacified by thier lies. What's funny, and sad at the same time, is that I actually fear Bush and his group of zealots more than I ever feared sandle wearing Osama. Come on, can you even run through the rocky mountain terrain in frickin sandles?
Oh yeah, Osama slipped away...We can capture the ruler of an entire country cowering in a hole in the ground within a few weeks of starting the search, but we can't catch a guy hiding in a hole in the mountains with nowhere to run? Somehow with coalition aircraft pounding the area he was hiding in with bunker busters he is able to escape and continues to roam free. Not to mention the 30,000 troops on the ground actively looking for him allow him to easily slip out the back of the mountain pass...Come on now, one apache helicopter could take out all of the camel riders using infrared technology, and still the little hot bodied terrorists waltz right out of Afghanistan like it's nothing..
They will NEVER catch Osama....If anything they will kill him because I think he knows too much about this whole bullshit 9/11 deal where a bunch of guys who can't even fly a cesna pilot HUGE and extremely complicated 757's with pinpoint accuracy. Not only that but, 4 planes wander around aimlessly and completely off course for over an hour with no response from military aircraft that could be in effect within minutes and were more than likely on patrol or training missions all around these areas as they are any other day of the week. |
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Ferre
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What Osama? The CIA has shown us at least four different versions of that man the past years.
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Lilli
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| They make one mistake though: Only a few Americans are brainwashed enough to believe this bullshit. |
I am afraid thats wrong Brother Ferre I am afraid it should read,
Its's sad but MANY Americans are brainwashed enough to believe this bullshit. ( the pentagon 9/11 proves that.)
It is MANY bro if they really new they would be in the streets demanding justice and truth.
I think the proverbial shit may hit the fan tho when codex goes thru and we cant get over the counter medicines and homiopathic remedys.
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Lilli
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 on the lighter side, heres a guy that aint brainwashed.
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Anti-Bush Driver Accused Of Road Rage Against Pro-Bush Driver
POSTED: 9:57 am CST March 10, 2005
TAMPA, Fla. -- A Tampa, Fla., man is facing a felony charge after he allegedly got upset at a woman with a Bush-Cheney bumper sticker and chased her for miles.
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Police say the man told them he got angry after the woman made an obscene hand gesture. They say the woman claims he then chased after her and tried to run her off the road.
The woman tells the St. Petersburg Times that she only gestured after the man started honking at her and pointing to a sign he had that read: "Never Forget Bush's Illegal War Murdered Thousands in Iraq."
The man is now facing a charge of aggravated stalking.
His father says, "I know that he's very anti-Bush. But I don't see him doing anything like that."
The woman also says she is a registered Democrat who voted for President George W. Bush in the 2004 election.
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/irresistible/4271913/detail.html |
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