Iran's 'Divine Mission' -

RogerChristie · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: Iran's 'Divine Mission' -

Holy moly, this looks like it's getting close at hand! Here's the Iranian leader's point of view. It's as crazy as the Christian/Jewish scenario. See what you think. Where's the blessing in this?

All the best,

Roger

'Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader
By Anton La Guardia
(Filed: 14/01/2006)

As Iran rushes towards confrontation with the world over its nuclear programme, the question uppermost in the mind of western leaders is "What is moving its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to such recklessness?"

Political analysts point to the fact that Iran feels strong because of high oil prices, while America has been weakened by the insurgency in Iraq.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
But listen carefully to the utterances of Mr Ahmadinejad - recently described by President George W Bush as an "odd man" - and there is another dimension, a religious messianism that, some suspect, is giving the Iranian leader a dangerous sense of divine mission.

In November, the country was startled by a video showing Mr Ahmadinejad telling a cleric that he had felt the hand of God entrancing world leaders as he delivered a speech to the UN General Assembly last September.

When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."

The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return.

One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about £10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well.

All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a "contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and sent it to Jamkaran.

Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect believes this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan, regarded as the 12th Imam, or righteous descendant of the Prophet Mohammad.

He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the ninth century, at the age of five. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed. After a cataclysmic confrontation with evil and darkness, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.

This is similar to the Christian vision of the Apocalypse. Indeed, the Hidden Imam is expected to return in the company of Jesus.

Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events are close at hand and that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable.

The prospect of such a man obtaining nuclear weapons is worrying. The unspoken question is this: is Mr Ahmadinejad now tempting a clash with the West because he feels safe in the belief of the imminent return of the Hidden Imam? Worse, might he be trying to provoke chaos in the hope of hastening his reappearance?

The 49-year-old Mr Ahmadinejad, a former top engineering student, member of the Revolutionary Guards and mayor of Teheran, overturned Iranian politics after unexpectedly winning last June's presidential elections.

The main rift is no longer between "reformists" and "hardliners", but between the clerical establishment and Mr Ahmadinejad's brand of revolutionary populism and superstition.

Its most remarkable manifestation came with Mr Ahmadinejad's international debut, his speech to the United Nations.

World leaders had expected a conciliatory proposal to defuse the nuclear crisis after Teheran had restarted another part of its nuclear programme in August.

Instead, they heard the president speak in apocalyptic terms of Iran struggling against an evil West that sought to promote "state terrorism", impose "the logic of the dark ages" and divide the world into "light and dark countries".

The speech ended with the messianic appeal to God to "hasten the emergence of your last repository, the Promised One, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace".

In a video distributed by an Iranian web site in November, Mr Ahmadinejad described how one of his Iranian colleagues had claimed to have seen a glow of light around the president as he began his speech to the UN.

"I felt it myself too," Mr Ahmadinejad recounts. "I felt that all of a sudden the atmosphere changed there. And for 27-28 minutes all the leaders did not blink…It's not an exaggeration, because I was looking.

"They were astonished, as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic."

Western officials said the real reason for any open-eyed stares from delegates was that "they couldn't believe what they were hearing from Ahmadinejad".

Their sneaking suspicion is that Iran's president actually relishes a clash with the West in the conviction that it would rekindle the spirit of the Islamic revolution and - who knows - speed up the arrival of the Hidden Imam.

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Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

Great post roger. I read about this very thing earlier today and now I see it here. I am surprized that no one else has replied to this. I find it curious that the Islamic messiah is set to appear about the time that the antichrist of the appocalypse is set to appear.

Another interesting thing is the denial of the Jewish holocaust. As far as I can tell, this was Hitlers greatest triumph, the thing of which he would be most proud and the I_ranians are denying it. I remember reading, at the end of WWII, Ike visited one of the death camps. After seeing the camp, he ordered all the people from the local towns as well as the Allied troops to march through the camp and observe everything that had happened. Why? Ike said I know damn good and well that fifty years from now they are going to deny this ever happened.

The obligation of clarification falls on Germany. Please, nobody jump on the anti American bandwagon here. Germany needs to help Iran understand that the Jewish holocaust of Germany did in fact happen and that a holocaust may be brought down on Iran if they continue this kind of aggression. There is no anti American argument that applies here. Iran is an aggressor nation and no peace has ever been won as a result of Iran's military influence, not once. Iran did not fight the nazi's, Iran did not stand toe to toe with the communists. They want these weapons for no other reason than to wage aggressive war against Humanity. Please no anti American sentiments here. They are not learning the secrets of the atom, they are not doing peacful research. they are not trying to help Humanity in any way shape or form. Rather they are actively trying to bring about the most devastating war the world will ever know. In all fairness to America and Russia, our wars never turned nuclear. Someone cry

for me now about those poor peace loving Japanese who only wanted to expand there sphere of influence (at the expense of 20,000,000 Chinese)

Some may claim that America needs to mind it's own business. Sorry to sound like the big mouth American, but nuclear weapons in the hands of any power is Americas business. America let the nuclear genie out of the bottle and we have an obligation that no one can relieve us of. An obligation to police (ugh) Mad

the world for as long these weapons exist. If Iran wants to bring the end times, they may have found an effective way to bring it for themselves.

**Ferre** · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject:

The Iranian president is being MIS-TRANSLATED ALL THE TIME.

- He DID NOT deny the holocaust.

What he said was that it are the Europeans who committed and who are guilty for the holocaust and that Europeans should have given the Jews land in Europe instead of dumping them on the Arab world.

This is what you get when CNN&co bring you 'news'. Rolling Eyes

What he said is that the Europeans de stabilized the area when they implanted Israel in the Arab world and that this has caused problems ever since.

Off course, the USA and Israel want the Iran oil and invade Iran as soon as they can find "justification" and that explains why the Iranian president is presented as a raving dangerous extremist by the Western (USA+EU) press.

Do not believe everything you hear from the press, the press is nothing more than a propaganda tool nowadays.
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Johnny J · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:44 am Post subject:

Hello All:

I'm not going to debate what Ahmadinejad did or didn't say, or whether the Iranians want or don't want nuclear weapons, or why I would or would not want to live in Iran, etc. etc. That I can leave for another time. Those points are more open to interpretation and more on the subjective side.

I'll stick to objective facts. If that's anti-American, what would you have me do, just shut up?

In 1953, a democratically elected President of Iran, Mossadegh, was overthrown by the CIA, and the Shah of Iran was installed. Mossadegh was overthrown because he had the nerve to nationalize the oil industry.

For the next 26 years one of the most brutal regimes in the history of mankind ruled Iran. The dreaded secret police Savak tortured opponents routinely. The Shah ruled by fiat. As questionable as some of Iran's political processes may be today, its legislature is far more pluralistic than anything during the Shah's rule.

After the Shah's regime was overthrown, the U.S. sided with Hussein and did nothing to discourage (in fact, there is evidence that they encouraged) him to attack Iran. In the brutal world of international power politics, this is called the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The war raged on for 8 years, during which time Hussein gassed the Kurds.

Additionally, Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty, which was promoted by the U.S. in the 60's. The deal: all countries renounce nuclear weaponry, and they are allowed the right to nuclear power, while the big powers work to disarm. Israel, Pakistan & India are not signatories, yet they have America's blessing to have these weapons.

The overriding factor in how to view U.S. - Iran relations is to view it through this history, by these facts, in this context, and most definetely not by what is or is not happening internally in Iran. Any over analysis on what Ahmadinejad did or did not say is a diversion from what really needs to be analyzed. It is highly suspect, especially if one dwells only on the internal situation and makes no mention of the last 50 years of history. It is identical to the whole 2003 WMD hoo-ha, as well as Gulf of Tonkin, the sinking of the Maine, etc etc.

Peace

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**Ferre** · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:43 am Post subject:

Indeed.

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RogerChristie · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: Correction appreciated.

Hello Ferre and Johnny J,

Aloha. Thanks to you guys for helping to keep the media in perspective for me and others who appreciate your insight.

I love this ministry forum! Mahalo plenty.

All the very best to you and yours,

Roger

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zero · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject:

He did in fact question the existance of the holocaust.
It was no mistranslation.
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**aeroplane** · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:27 am Post subject:

1924.

A very important year in modern middle-eastern history. It was the year european and amerikan powers decided to carve up the middle-east for control of the oil. Before then, there was no Iran, Irak, or other modern 'nations' with puppet governments.

1924 was also when europe and amerika decided that zionism would help their cause in maintaining & exerting control over the region. They also knew that it would have to come at a high price to make the world go along with their skeme.

250.

By conservative Pentagon estimates, Israel has at least 250 nuclear warheads with missiles capable of delivering them to Europe.

250 illegal nuclear warheads developed under the nose of the IAEA and with America help creating a permanent imbalance of power in the region. Why aren't they being refered to the UN's security counsel for sanctions?

I would rather that all nuclear weapons be dismantled and the knowledge of these horrible devices be forever forgotten.
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indicaspice · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject:

The U.S. has always meddled in the affairs of countries they had no business meddling in. Now it's backfiring. If any country is going to bring the world to a nuclear armededdon it will the United States.
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Stokes · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject:

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**Ferre** · Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject:

Look at it this way; bullying assholes get their share one day or another. There is no nation on this earth that makes so many enemies and even their allies start to back out now, it won't be long and the USSA will find itself the target of those nations who simply had enough of it. They cannot control the world with weapons and blackmail forever.
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**Torkel** · Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject:

Ferre wrote: