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Lilli
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 Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:18 pm Post subject: I cant vote for Kerry either |
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After thinking and rethinking I have come to the conclusion that believing In God Christ and the bible. I can not and will not vote for Kerry regardless of what he says he will do for the cannabis issues. He is part of the skull and bones and that alone makes him just as dirty as Bush. That would be the same as voting for Satan in mho.
If we could write in I would go just to write in Kucinich but I suppose there is no place for that on the ballots so i guess im forgoing the election folks. Love Lilli
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject: But... |
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Skull-N-Bones is just a fraternity group that practices the same crap every frat does. It's about picking the lesser of two evils, and IMO Kerry is the lesser. I think he provides for a change in the current situation/administration, because not only does the President change when a new one is elected, but the whole cabinet changes. I am not to sure Kerry is that much better, but I'm willing to give him a chance, since we know what Bush is all about. The only way Kerry will win is if everyone who dislikes Bush, get's out to vote. At least that is my opinion.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:14 pm Post subject: SCARY, SCARY, JOHN KERRY |
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SCARY, SCARY, JOHN KERRY
By Josh Frank 3-27-04 CounterPunch
Finally a reason to get excited, as we now have before us an electable
candidate worthy of taking on George W. Bush and his coterie of neo-conservatives
next November. Well, at least that's what the scared liberals out there would
have us believe. But John Kerry is neither electable nor exciting. He is a
Zionist sympathizer who supports Bush's "road map for peace" in Israel and
Palestine, as well as a corporate Neoliberal, who voted in support of NAFTA,
normalized free-trade with China, and the US's $17.9 billion dollar "aid" package to
the IMF. Not to mention Kerry is also a proclaimed War Criminal, where he
participated in bloody swift boat patrol missions on the Mekong Delta near Cambodia
in Vietnam.
And as he put it in to Crosby Noyes of the Washington Evening Star upon
his return in 1971, "[During those missions] I committed the same kind of
atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I
used 50 caliber machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which
were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions,
in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare,
all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions." However, Kerry's defenders
still claim that at least he's better than George W. Bush.
Under a selective microscope perhaps, but by and large Kerry and Bush see eye
to eye on the critical issues of our times. For instance, Kerry criticizes
Bush for not having enough troops in Iraq and says he will increase the US count
by 40,000 within his first 100 days in office (this statement came prior to
Spain's announcement that they will be pulling out their 1,300 troops by the
end of June). Kerry also chastises Bush for abusing his authority by invading
Iraq, but defends his vote authorizing uni- lateral force and says, "I can
pledge ... to the American people: I will never conduct a war or start a war
because we want to." Looks like he'll just vote for one instead.
Back in 1998 Senator Kerry voted, along with Dennis Kucinich in support
of Clinton's "Iraq Liberation Act," which has served as political leverage for
Bush's Iraq "regime change". And one year after that horrid display Kerry
voted in favor of allowing US air strikes against Yugoslavia, which gave General
Wesley Clark the green light to bomb, as William Blum put it, with "an almost
sadistic fanaticism".
Well at least Kerry is an environmentalist though, right? Not exactly.
Despite John Kerry's cozy relationship with ghoulish green organizations like
the Sierra Club and the League of Conservation Voters, he should not be
mistaken for a friend of nature. Kerry does not support the Kyoto Protocol, and as
he told Grist Magazine in an interview last year, "[The Kyoto agreement]
doesn't ask enough of developing nations, the nations that are going to be
producing much greater emissions and which we need to get on the right course now
through technology trans- fer." Somebody should mention to Senator Kerry that
currently, despite the US accounting for only 4% of the world's population, we
still emit over a quarter of the globe's CO2. But no, Kerry won't call on the US
to set an example to developing countries, that would asking too much of
the US.
And just last year Kerry decided not to cast a vote against a portion of
Bush's chainsaw Forest Plan (HR 1904), which authorized $760 million to thin out
dense national forests under the pretext of increasing ecosystem health. This,
combined with his support for Fast Track legislation, bombing of Afghanistan,
and chemical fumigation in Colombia to counter coca and opium production --
provides us with a clear indication that not only is Kerry not an
environmentalist, he's also not that good at pretending to be.
So how about Kerry on the home front? Let's see, although Kerry did
oppose Clinton's 1996 Effective Death Penalty Act, he embraced Attorney General
Ashcroft's Patriot Act and the expansion of that egregious bill into Patriot Act
II as well as the Homeland Security bill. He also decided not to vote against
Bush's Tax Cuts for the wealthy, and as Public Citizen notes, Kerry has missed
ten crucial Senate votes while campaigning for the Presidency including; an
amendment to prevent energy market manipulation, a medical negligence bill, and
a vital fuel efficiency amendment. So what is all the fuss about? Call it the
real life version of "Fear Factor", where soft-shelled liberals are forced to
swallow empty hopes that John Kerry can save them from the clutches of Bush's
wrath.
Time will tell whether or not swing voters see any real difference between
Kerry and our sitting president. And as Kerry continuously fails to challenge
the US's global Empire or its domestic fractures back home, he will continue to
fail the American people -- not to mention the rest of the world.
Josh Frank is a writer living in New York. He is the co-author with Sunil K.
Sharma of an upcoming book on the rise and fall of Howard Dean to be out this
summer, as well as the author of the forthcoming book Left Out, How Liberals
Helped the Bush Administration, to be published by Common Courage Press in
December. He can be reached at: frank_joshua@hotmail.com
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CrookedEye
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:59 pm Post subject: a few things... |
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Kerry voted to give Bush the power to go to war, but Bush had said they would build a coalition with UN countries. Kerry is no saint but if you don't vote for him, then we keep Bush, is that really what you want? I think the SNB crap may be something but I also think that in Kerry's service to the military, he learned a lot about life. He came back to protest the war. He, I believe, is a better candidate and the only one that stands a chance in beating Bush, so he's got my vote. I guess it's like, anyone but Bush, for me. I mean I'm sure there are worse, but I don't think Kerry is any worse and he may be a bit better. Only time will tell, but if we don't vote because we don't like either candidate, then we can't even complain about it, since we did nothing to change it.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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I don’t like Kerry either. But, I HATE bush. And consider this... Bush would like those on the fence about Kerry to not vote at all. That plays right into his hands. So if you dont vote at all, you are really just helping bush...
Is Kerry the best man? Hell no.
Do we need bush out? Hell yes.
Am I going to vote Kerry if that’s my only choice to get bush out? You can count on it.
Will I just not vote at all if I don’t like the choices? NO WAY! that is what bush wants.
So don’t give up your vote, just because you don’t like the choices. We have so few actual rights anymore that allow us to make a difference. Don’t throw away one of the precious few you still have, just because you don’t like what the guy did in college.
I mean consider this... in college, it was considered a "status" thing to be allowed into a secret organization. Just because he joined, doesn’t absolutely mean he follows any allegiance to it now. And he did have some activist time after the war that he put in.
Lets not talk about what bush did(nt) do.
Really, there are just 2 facts that really matter, as I see it.....
Important Fact #1: bush needs to go!
Important Fact #2 Nothing else matters until #1 is completed.
Peace 
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, I hear ya Chaz and I guess you're right. Anything is better then Bush and first priority is to get rid of his administration.
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It's like damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:45 am Post subject: |
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yeah no shit!
A choice between those 2 is like a choice between either:
a) Having your butthole sewed up tight and getting fed meal after meal after meal, after meal, after meal, or
b) being stuck your entire life stuck in a giant cannabis-free hamster ball made for people, with no toilet!
A decision I'm glad I don't have to make, being canadian and all! LOL
But hey.................
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!!!!!! (I feel as though I'm wishing good tidings on a terminally ill patient about to go under to have their nose removed or something!)
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Lilli
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Isnt that the truth. I know an I hear you too Chaz I just cant in good consciense vote for him. Like I said Ill go and write in Kucinich if theres a place but I will not vote for the devil no matter how inviting he makes it look.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:04 am Post subject: Well... |
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I hope Bush doesn't win by one vote! 
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Lilli
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Well if he does please dont blame me. I sit behind this comp mailing dozens a letters of letters to government officals and other important ppl. I have been an activist for 35 yrs I have put in my time and still putting in my time for the cause. I got 7 ppl registered to vote this year. How they vote is up to them. I personaly am just saying no thanks to the devil.
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CrookedEye
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:19 am Post subject: I understand... |
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Not saying that you aren't an activist because I know of much of the good you do. I just want Bush out worse than I want Kerry in, and with no other choices, then Kerry will get my vote.
I just hope not too many people decide not to vote. I think it will be close, so I think Kerry needs as much support as he can get, regardless of his college affiliations. Kerry was a much different person before he went to war and I am willing to bet that he can do a better job than Bush, just on the way he handles himself.
I know when I watch American Idol sometimes I don't care enough to vote, but then I get mad when someone I like get's booted. Then I feel like I am to blame because I didn't do anything. As long as you can live with your decision then that is all that matters.
Peace!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Lilli wrote: |
| Isnt that the truth. I know an I hear you too Chaz I just cant in good consciense vote for him. Like I said Ill go and write in Kucinich if theres a place but I will not vote for the devil no matter how inviting he makes it look. |
You have a right to vote as you will... I will just say that to vote for somebody who has NO chance is the same as not voting. As far as him being the Devil... If you base that on his being a member of a secret society in college, then I think you are missing part of a bigger picture.
Its a free vote though so do as you feel best. But bush was also in that group in college, and we know hes bad. So if you dont vote, or toss away your vote, he stays in and the very thing you dont want(which already exists) will remain for another term.
Just think about it is all I say.
Peace
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