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prntrkmt
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 Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: Horus |
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| IntrepidEZJ wrote: |
(Taken from www.nobeliefs.com)
The Egyptian mythical Horus, god of light and goodness has many parallels to Jesus. [Leedom, Massey] For some examples:
Horus and the Father as one
Horus, the Father seen in the Son
Horus, light of the world, represented by the symbolical eye, the sign of salvation.
Horus served the way, the truth, the life by name and in person
Horus baptized with water by Anup (Jesus baptized with water by John)
Horus the Good Shepherd
Horus as the Lamb (Jesus as the Lamb)
Horus as the Lion (Jesus as the Lion)
Horus identified with the Tat Cross (Jesus with the cross)
The trinity of Atum the Father, Horus the Son, Ra the Holy Spirit (Trinity)
Horus the avenger (Jesus who brings the sword)
Horus the afflicted one
Horus as life eternal
Twelve followers of Horus as Har-Khutti (Jesus' 12 disciples)
Not to mention, if you examine closely, that Osiris, Hercules, Mithra, Hermes, Prometheus, Perseus, and others, also compare to the story of Jesus. |
That should be Anpu rather than Anup. And strange to use the native name (Anpu) rather than the Greek name (Anubis) when you otherwise used the Greek name (Horus) rather than the native Egyptian name (Heru Sa Aset).
Also, while the ancient Egyptians had hundreds of trinities, I am not familiar with Atum, Horus, and Ra. The most common trinity involving Horus was Horus (Heru Sa Aset), Osiris (Asar), and Isis (Aset).
| Bamaman wrote: |
Intrepid, I'm on my way out the door but, I wanted to address a couple of things.
The way my beliefs sit those things hold no obstruction to my faith. Jesus may have come after horus but horus came after Christ. The appearance of Christ was prohecied in the Old Testament, and simply fulfilled in the New.
I believe most religions have aspects that were taken from the true religion, and that they were split up from Babel. anyway more later, hope that will inspire more questions... |
The earliest surviving writings about the Christos are from approximately 350 B.C.E. and scholars believe that Christianity was first split off from Hermeticism around 700 B.C.E.
The Jewish Torah is from approximately 1330 B.C.E. to 1000 B.C.E. The Jewish Torah mentions Messiahs, which is a Hebrew word with a similar meaning as the Greek word Christos. The Jews recognize more than a dozen Messiahs, starting with Moses. Other famous Jewish Messiahs include Daniel and Solomon. The Jewish Messiah was any person whom the Jewish God granted authority over both the religion and the civil government -- a very different meaning than the use of the same word by Christians.
The earliest surviving artwork depicting Heru Sa Aset (Horus) is from approximately 4,500 B.C.E.
Horus was being worshipped for at least 3,000 years BEFORE the existence of Judaism.
Yes, I am aware that many Christians do not believe that the world existed 6,500 years ago, but the archeaological and scientific evidence is overwhelming that the Egyptians were worshipping at least 12,500 years ago. I respect and support the right of Christians to believe in a young earth even though I personally can't understand why someone would believe that.
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IntrepidEZJ
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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In a similar vein, I remember reading that Hercules was worshipped for roughly 2000 some odd years before the people finally wised up.
I'm sure we are looked upon, prm and I, as "religion bashers", but I am confident in speaking for prm that if good evidence was presented to change our knowledge, we would certainly adjust it.
A label such as that could not be farther from the fact when it comes to seekers of truth.
"Faith" may be important. But "Blind Faith" is extremely dangerous to a human world. |
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IntrepidEZJ
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Another thing I would like to throw into this religious talk is something I found quite interesting in the middle of last year.
I haven't done the proper study, but maybe PR can help.
IS-RA-EL
Is-Moon
Ra- Sun
El - Jupiter? (Or is it Saturn?)
I heard it was formed from 3 ancient "cults" from the past. |
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prntrkmt
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| IntrepidEZJ wrote: |
| I'm sure we are looked upon, prm and I, as "religion bashers", but I am confident in speaking for prm that if good evidence was presented to change our knowledge, we would certainly adjust it. |
I am a strong advocate of religion. I am a Sesh Per Ankh Witch. I practice my religion even though the Jewish Torah, Christian Bible, and Islamic Koran all specifically and unambigiously call for believers of those three religions to murder me on sight.
While economic powers certainly had an influence on outlawing cannabis, the reason that the Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, Orthodox Church, and other Christian churches of the Burning Times outlawed cannabis with the death penalty was because cannabis was a certain sign of Witchcraft.
Even today you hear powerful Christian politicians calling for the death penalty for growing cannabis.
The Saudi government executes innocent persons for Witchcraft if they are found in possession of even a single cannabis seed.
One of the greatest challenges of our times is whether or not we will have freedom of religion.
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| coupled, with freedom from religion. |
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The written gospel is but one source, there was obviously understanding of God's plan, laws and wishes from the beginning. All the fallen angels have also been with this world from it's founders time. They surely have better understanding of everything regarding God's plan than humans.
Thus enabling them to produce false religions that mimic a current one, or mimic one that will evolve. Would you not agree that creating counterfeit religions is a very productive way to muddy the true one? |
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| Bamaman wrote: |
| Would you not agree that creating counterfeit religions is a very productive way to muddy the true one? |
"Kindness towards all things is the true religion." - Buddha.
Of course, THC Ministry is the only true religion. 
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| Bamaman wrote: |
The written gospel is but one source, there was obviously understanding of God's plan, laws and wishes from the beginning. All the fallen angels have also been with this world from it's founders time. They surely have better understanding of everything regarding God's plan than humans.
Thus enabling them to produce false religions that mimic a current one, or mimic one that will evolve. Would you not agree that creating counterfeit religions is a very productive way to muddy the true one? |
All religions were created by humans.
All religions are equally valid.
The oldest continuous religion still in existence is the ancient Egyptian religion.
Your personal favorite religion, Christianity, borrows heavily from the ancient Egyptian religion, as well as from Hellenism, Mithraism, Judaism, Hermeticism, Zoarastrianism, and other religions. Does that heavy borrowing make your religion counterfeit? Of course not!
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No, it doesn't make my religion counterfeit. It makes all other religions counterfeit.
My point still stands, if there are fallen angels it could easily be the cause for all the similarities that are mentioned. You don't have to believe in my faith to acknowledge that, you simply have to accept that if I am right about the fallen angels, then it could easily resolve the disputes you have in the similarities. |
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Hey.
What is that sound?
Someone just set up a straw man, and then destroyed it himself.
Of course, I would never do that to make a point. 
(Referring to the "Fallen Angels") |
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