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Pateticus
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 Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject: I've got plenty of ideas... |
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It's like the Rainbows say...all you need is a place to do what you do...
That's exactly the control the United States Government has on it's people...you have to have money to have a place...and they tell you what you can and can't do with that place...(unless you file the right paperwork, that is...)
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Ferre
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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The paperwork official you need is provided by the ULC and THC Ministry brother. That's all the paperwork you need.
Those 501 tax papers are meant for those who do not have an automatic 501 status.
Every church has this status automatically by law, a church/minister has to be able to show documents that state they are legally entitled by their 'headquarters' they have "all the rights and privileges to perform all duties of the religion/church" and those documents can only be provided by the church, NOT by any government.
In my country it's the same. I went to lawyers, notaries, the government and they all told me I didn't need anything but the documents provided by my church's head office.
See, a religious organisation is just as good an "official authority" or "legal body" as any government and documents given out by a religious organisation are just as official and legal.
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Pepper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Don't expect your local government officials know that you that you have the right to exercise your religion for free. I believe there's no need for an EIN number unless you have employees or are selling taxable goods.
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Lilli
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:03 am Post subject: |
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The purpose of the fundraiser is to collect the $375 in legal fees that will be required to file for 501c status with the IRS and to meet and greet me to see what I'm all about.
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You seemed gung ho to rasie the money for the government.
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What you're suggesting cuts my initial expenditures in half, but $200 is still a lot when you're making $0...
I'll certainly keep my options open...when you got nothing, you got nothing to lose... |
Then seem a bit discouraged when you learn all you need is the large kit.
Dont be disheartend that WAS the GOOD news.
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Mystic Power
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Hiya Bro Pateticus... this is from another thread:
http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2453&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
It's one of those Gee, I wish I'd said that things. It's from Dan of the Church of Cognizance. He's been at this a while and knows his stuff. Hope it helps....
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
Is there a law against placing a Church anywhere? What are the Law's "respecting an establishment of religion"?
Do not incorporate or ask the state permission through their normal channels. You then have become a State Church and must follow the laws of the State, and not the Church. Check out IRS publications on Non Profit Status, it is only "recommended" that you apply to them for such status, but it is "not required" of Religious Institutes to ask the state, because the state can make no laws respecting an establishment of religion.
In a FREE Church, which maintains seperation of Church and State the most you have to do is raise a flag that you exist and this can be done by recording, at the county recorder, documents that establish your "Church"
That is what we did in 1994 the property can be deeded to the Church with a fall back clause that if the Church dies by having no supporters, or has turned to a mission against it's original purposes, then the property reverts back to the closet living relative or who every else you would want to recieve the property in such an event, or else the property escheats to the State.
If you are a "State Church" through Incorporation or Corporate Sole you still have to request permission from the State to become established. You have to have a "Constitution" or "Charter" that establishes what you will and will not teach or do, and you are prohibited from violating any laws of the state or to enter into the political arena of the state. "NO ACTIVISM ALLOWED BY STATE CHURCHS"
Also just as a note, I believe it was Arkansa the Rev. Tom Brown of "Our Church" around 1995-96??? donated some of his farm land to a church, which he thought he had done everything right on, until the system took a sudden turn and arrested him and took his property including the "Church Property"
We just need to force those in the Highest positions to give us their interpretation of the State Constitution they have Sworn to uphold.
Below are some important parts of Arkansas Constitution
Here is a link to another thread in this forum where I ask arizona's governor to uphold her oath of office.
http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2490
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ARKANSAS DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
(Article II of the 1874 Constitution ofArkansas)
As amended to 1975
ARTICLE II
DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
Sec. 1. All political power is inherent in the people, and govern-
ment is instituted for their protection, security and bene-
fit; and they have the right to alter reform or abolish the
same in such manner as they may think proper.
Sec. 2. All men are created equally free and independent, and have
certain inherent and inalienable rights; amongst which are
those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; of acquir-
ing, possessing and protecting property and reputation; and
of pursuing their own happiness. To secure these rights,
governments are instituted among men deriving their just
powers from the consent of the governed.
Sec. 3. The equality of all persons before the law is recognized and
shall ever remain inviolate; nor shall any citizen ever be
deprived of any right, privilege or immunity; nor exempted
from any burden or duty on account of race color or previous
condition.
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Sec. 15. The right of the people of this State to be secure in their
persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be violated; and no warrant
shall issue, except upon probable cause, supported by oath
or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the person or thing to be seized.
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Sec. 18. The General Assembly shall not grant to any citizen, or
class of citizens, privileges or immunities which, upon the
same terms, shall not equally belong to all citizens.
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Sec. 22. The right of property is before and higher than any consti-
tutional sanction; and private property shall not be taken,
appropriated or damaged for public use, without just compen-
sation therefor.
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Sec. 24. All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship
Almighty God according to the dictates of their own con-
sciences; no man can, of right, be compelled to attend,
erect, or support any place of worship; or to maintain any
ministry against his consent. No human authority can, in
any case or manner whatsoever, control or interfere with the
right of conscience; and no preference shall ever be given,
by law, to any religious establishment, denomination or mode
of worship, above any other.
Sec. 25. Religion, morality and knowledge being essential to good
government, the General Assembly shall enact suitable laws
to protect every religious denomination in the peaceable
enjoyment of its own mode of public worship.
Sec. 26. No religious test shall ever be required of any person as a
qualification to vote or hold office; nor shall any person
be rendered incompetent to be a witness on account of his
religious belief; but nothing herein shall be construed to
dispense with oaths or affirmations. |
Peace and best regards
dan |
As regards attracting celebrities and other notables. I think that's a MIGHTY idea! THC Ministries have been around for over 4 years and have thousands of members and ministers world-wide. We are as real as any other religious organization and need no government approval.
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Fyrefly1
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"Badgers, we don't need no stinking badgers"....
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