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AP: Gitmo Soldier Details Sexual Tactics
Thu Jan 27, 2:07 PM ET
By Paisley Dodds, Associated Press Writer
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico
- Female interrogators tried to break Muslim detainees at the U.S.
prison camp in Guantanamo Bay by sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt
and thong underwear and in one case smearing a Saudi man's face
with fake menstrual blood, according to an insider's written account.
A draft manuscript obtained by The Associated Press is classified
as secret pending a Pentagon review for a planned book that details
ways the U.S. military used women as part of tougher physical
and psychological interrogation tactics to get terror suspects to talk.
It's the most revealing account so far of interrogations
at the secretive detention camp,
where officials say they have halted some controversial techniques.
"I have really struggled with this because the detainees,
their families and much of the world will think this
is a religious war based on some of the techniques used,
even though it is not the case," the author,
former Army Sgt. Erik R. Saar, 29, told AP.
Saar didn't provide the manuscript or approach AP,
but confirmed the authenticity of nine draft pages AP obtained.
He requested his hometown remain private so he wouldn't be harassed.
Saar, who is neither Muslim nor of Arab descent,
worked as an Arabic translator at the U.S. camp
in eastern Cuba from December 2002 to June 2003.
At the time, it was under the command of Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller,
who had a mandate to get better intelligence from prisoners,
including alleged al-Qaida members caught in Afghanistan.
Saar said he witnessed about 20 interrogations
and about three months after his arrival at the remote U.S. base
he started noticing "disturbing" practices.
One female civilian contractor used a special outfit
that included a miniskirt, thong underwear and a bra
during late-night interrogations with prisoners,
mostly Muslim men who consider it taboo to have
close contact with women who aren't their wives.
Beginning in April 2003, "there hung a short skirt
and thong underwear on the hook on the back of the door"
of one interrogation team's office, he writes.
"Later I learned that this outfit was used for interrogations by one of the female civilian contractors ... on a team which conducted interrogations in the middle of the night on Saudi men who were refusing to talk."
Some Guantanamo prisoners who have been released
say they were tormented by "prostitutes."
In another case, Saar describes a female military interrogator
questioning an uncooperative 21-year-old Saudi detainee
who allegedly had taken flying lessons in Arizona before
the Sept.11 terror attacks. Suspected Sept. 11 hijacker
Hani Hanjour received pilot instruction for three months
in 1996 and in December 1997 at a flight school in Scottsdale, Ariz.
"His female interrogator decided that she needed to turn up the heat," Saar writes, saying she repeatedly asked the detainee
who had sent him to Arizona, telling him he could "cooperate" or "have no hope whatsoever of ever leaving this place or talking to a lawyer".
The man closed his eyes and began to pray, Saar writes.
The female interrogator wanted to "break him," Saar adds,
describing how she removed her uniform top to expose
a tight-fitting T-shirt and began taunting the detainee,
touching her breasts, rubbing them against the prisoner's back
and commenting on his apparent erection.
The detainee looked up and spat in her face, the manuscript recounts.
The interrogator left the room to ask a Muslim linguist
how she could break the prisoner's reliance on God.
The linguist told her to tell the detainee
that she was menstruating, touch him, then make sure
to turn off the water in his cell so he couldn't wash.
Strict interpretation of Islamic law forbids physical contact
with women other than a man's wife or family,
and with any menstruating women, who are considered unclean.
"The concept was to make the detainee feel that after talking
to her he was unclean and was unable to go before his God
in prayer and gain strength," says the draft, stamped "Secret."
The interrogator used ink from a red pen to fool the detainee,
Saar writes.
"She then started to place her hands in her pants
as she walked behind the detainee," he says.
"As she circled around him he could see
that she was taking her hand out of her pants.
When it became visible the detainee saw
what appeared to be red blood on her hand.
She said, 'Who sent you to Arizona?'
He then glared at her with a piercing look of hatred.
"She then wiped the red ink on his face.
He shouted at the top of his lungs, spat at her and lunged forward"
— so fiercely that he broke loose from one ankle shackle.
"He began to  like a baby," the draft says,
noting the interrogator left saying,
"Have a fun night in your cell without any water to clean yourself."
Events Saar describes resemble two previous reports
of abusive female interrogation tactics,
although it wasn't possible to independently verify his account.
In November, in response to an AP request, the military described
an April 2003 incident in which a female interrogator took off
her uniform top, exposed her brown T-shirt, ran her fingers
through a detainee's hair and sat on his lap. That session
was immediately ended by a supervisor and that interrogator received
a written reprimand and additional training,the military said.
In another incident, the military reported that in early 2003
a different female interrogator "wiped dye from red magic marker
on detainees' shirt after detainee spit (cq) on her,"
telling the detainee it was blood.
She was verbally reprimanded, the military said.
Sexual tactics used by female interrogators have been criticized
by the FBI, which complained in a letter obtained by AP last month
that U.S. defense officials hadn't acted on complaints by FBI
observers of "highly aggressive" interrogation techniques, including
one in which a female interrogator grabbed a detainee's genitals.
About 20 percent of the guards at Guantanamo are women,
said Lt. Col. James Marshall, a spokesman for U.S. Southern Command.
He wouldn't say how many of the interrogators were female.
Marshall wouldn't address whether the U.S. military had a specific strategy to use women.
"U.S. forces treat all detainees and conduct all interrogations,
wherever they may occur, humanely and consistent with U.S.
legal obligations, and in particular with legal obligations
prohibiting torture," Marshall said Thursday.
But some officials at the U.S. Southern Command have questioned
the formation of an all-female team as one of Guantanamo's "Immediate Reaction Force" units that subdue troublesome
male prisoners in their cells, according to a document classified
as secret and obtained by AP.
In one incident, dated June 19, 2004, "The detainee appears to be genuinely traumatized by a female escort securing the detainee's
leg irons," according to the document, a U.S. Southern Command
summary of videotapes shot when the teams were used.
The summary warned that anyone outside Department of Defense
channels should be prepared to address allegations that women
were used intentionally with Muslim men.
At Guantanamo, Saar said, "Interrogators were given a lot of latitude under Miller," the commander who went from the prison in Cuba to overseeing prisons in Iraq, where the Abu Ghraib scandal shocked
the world with pictures revealing sexual humiliation of naked prisoners.
Several female troops have been charged in the Abu Ghraib scandal.
Saar said he volunteered to go to Guantanamo because
"I really believed in the mission," but then he became
disillusioned during his six months at the prison.
After leaving the Army with more than four years service,
Saar worked as a contractor briefly for the FBI.
The Department of Defense has censored parts of his draft,
mainly blacking out people's names, Saar said. He needed permission
to publish because he signed a disclosure statement
before going to Guantanamo.
The book, which Saar titled "Inside the Wire,"
is due out this year with Penguin Press.
Guantanamo has about 545 prisoners from some 40 countries,
many held more than three years without charge or access to lawyers
and many suspected of links to al-Qaida or Afghanistan's
ousted Taliban regime, which harbored the terrorist network.
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EDITOR'S NOTE: Paisley Dodds is an Associated Press reporter
based in San Juan, Puerto Rico, and has been covering
the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since it opened in 2002.
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the interrogator left the room to ask a Muslim linguist
how she could break the prisoner's reliance on God.
The linguist told her to tell the detainee
that she was menstruating, touch him, then make sure
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That's one of the sickest, most disgusting tortures I've heard of!
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How can AMERICAN GOVERMENT masquerade as true Christians? Half America is blind and deaf to these antics. WHAT A DISGRACE TO HUMANITY EVERWHERE! 
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| Half America is blind and deaf to these antics. |
They simply do not want to know.
When I was a little kid, World War II was still somewhat fresh in the grown-ups minds. I would hear them wonder aloud "how the German people could allow such things...?"
Well. That's easy enough to figure out. Just look around.
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Gruesome details emerge of Iraqi torture methods
Sunday, March 23, 2003
By Barry O'Kelly, Crime Correspondent
Torture victims in Iraq have been blindfolded, stripped and suspended from rotating fans as electric shocks were applied repeatedly to their bodies, according to Amnesty International.
Victims described how they were beaten with canes,whips, hosepipes and metal rods, and how other victims were forced to watch as their family members were tortured in front of them.
In a report dated February 11, Amnesty said other methods of physical torture de-scribed by victims include the use of falaqa (beating on the soles of the feet), extinguishing of cigarettes on various parts of the body, extraction of fingernails and toenails and piercing of the hands with an electric drill.
Some victims - both male and female - were sexually abused. Others had objects, including broken bottles, inserted into their bodies.
In addition to physical torture, detainees have been threatened with rape and subjected to mock execution. "They have been placed in cells where they could hear the screams of others being tortured and have been deprived of sleep," said the Amnesty report.
Some were kept in solitary confinement for long periods. "Detainees have also been threatened with bringing in a female relative, especially the wife or the mother, and raping her in front of the detainee. Some of these threats have been carried out."
Many victims of torture have been Shi'a Muslims suspected of anti-government activities. The February 1999 murder of a prominent leading Shi'a cleric and his two sons in the town of al-Najaf sparked off riots in predominantly Shi'a districts in Baghdad. Protests in Saddam City resulted in the killings of dozens of protesters by the security forces and the arrests of hundreds of people.
A month later, riots erupted in Basra for three days, during which the local headquarters of the ruling Ba'ath Party was attacked and several government officials were killed by armed Shi'a Muslims. During and following these events, hundreds of followers of Ayatollah al-Sadr were arrested and tortured. Amnesty said the victims included:
* Al-Shaikh Nazzar Kadhim al-Bahadli, a 29-year-old theology student, who was detained in June 1999 in the building of Saddam Security Directorate.
His wife, father and mother were brought to the building in August and tortured in front of himtoforcehimto confessto being one of those responsible for the disturbances in Saddam City. They were released following his confession, but he was later sentenced to death, andexecutedinearly 2001.
* Al-ShaikhYahya Muhsin Ja'far al-Zeini, from Saddam City, a 29-year-old former theology student. Security men blindfolded him and took him to the Security Directorate where he was taken to a room and his blindfold removed.
He told Amnesty International: "I saw a friend of mine, al-Shaikh Nasser Taresh al- Sa'idi, naked. He was handcuffed and a piece of wood was placed between his elbows and his knees.
"The two ends of the wood were placed on two high chairs and al-Shaikh Nasser was being suspended like a chicken. This method of torture is known as al-Khaygania (a reference to a former security director known as al-Khaygani).
"An electric wire was attached to al-Shaikh Nasser's penis and another one attached to one of his toes. He was asked if he could identify me and he said`This is al- ShaikhYahya'.
"They took me to another room. I was then left suspended in the same manner as al-Shaikh al-Sa'idi. My face was looking upward. They attached an electric wire on my penis and the other end of the wire was attached to an electric motor. One security man was hitting my feet with a cable. Electric shocks were applied every few minutes and were increased. I must have been suspended for more than an hour. I lost consciousness. `'
* Niyyad Taresh Sajet al- Sa'idi, a 25-year-old former student at Baghdad's Institute of Fine Arts,was arrested with three of his brothers, Salem, Hamid and Fahd, in June 1999. Each was made to watch the torture of al-Shaikh Nasser. They were tortured separately in front of their brother.
Methods of torture included being left suspended and electric shocks being applied on their bodies, including their genitals. They were tortured every two or three days during the first three weeks.
Al-Shaikh Nasser was sentenced to death in May 2000. At the beginning of 2001 he was transferred to al-Radhwaniya detention centre,where he is reported still to be on Death Row.
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If karma serves true, Maybe the victims of the first mentioned tortures were the purpatrators of the second mentioned tortures.
If only this world were that perfect.
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[quote="Mystic Power" I would hear them wonder aloud "how the German people could allow such things...?"
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well they were refering to mass homicide in the nazi death camps, not about letting women question men, or touch men.
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Gruesome details emerge of Iraqi torture methods
Sunday, March 23, 2003
By Barry O'Kelly, Crime Correspondent
Torture victims in Iraq have been blindfolded, stripped and suspended from rotating fans as electric shocks were applied repeatedly to their bodies, according to Amnesty International.
Victims described how they were beaten with canes,whips, hosepipes and metal rods, and how other victims were forced to watch as their family members were tortured in front of them.
In a report dated February 11, Amnesty said other methods of physical torture de-scribed by victims include the use of falaqa (beating on the soles of the feet), extinguishing of cigarettes on various parts of the body, extraction of fingernails and toenails and piercing of the hands with an electric drill.
Some victims - both male and female - were sexually abused. Others had objects, including broken bottles, inserted into their bodies.
In addition to physical torture, detainees have been threatened with rape and subjected to mock execution. "They have been placed in cells where they could hear the screams of others being tortured and have been deprived of sleep," said the Amnesty report.
Some were kept in solitary confinement for long periods. "Detainees have also been threatened with bringing in a female relative, especially the wife or the mother, and raping her in front of the detainee. Some of these threats have been carried out."
Many victims of torture have been Shi'a Muslims suspected of anti-government activities. The February 1999 murder of a prominent leading Shi'a cleric and his two sons in the town of al-Najaf sparked off riots in predominantly Shi'a districts in Baghdad. Protests in Saddam City resulted in the killings of dozens of protesters by the security forces and the arrests of hundreds of people.
A month later, riots erupted in Basra for three days, during which the local headquarters of the ruling Ba'ath Party was attacked and several government officials were killed by armed Shi'a Muslims. During and following these events, hundreds of followers of Ayatollah al-Sadr were arrested and tortured. Amnesty said the victims included:
* Al-Shaikh Nazzar Kadhim al-Bahadli, a 29-year-old theology student, who was detained in June 1999 in the building of Saddam Security Directorate.
His wife, father and mother were brought to the building in August and tortured in front of himtoforcehimto confessto being one of those responsible for the disturbances in Saddam City. They were released following his confession, but he was later sentenced to death, andexecutedinearly 2001.
* Al-ShaikhYahya Muhsin Ja'far al-Zeini, from Saddam City, a 29-year-old former theology student. Security men blindfolded him and took him to the Security Directorate where he was taken to a room and his blindfold removed.
He told Amnesty International: "I saw a friend of mine, al-Shaikh Nasser Taresh al- Sa'idi, naked. He was handcuffed and a piece of wood was placed between his elbows and his knees.
"The two ends of the wood were placed on two high chairs and al-Shaikh Nasser was being suspended like a chicken. This method of torture is known as al-Khaygania (a reference to a former security director known as al-Khaygani).
"An electric wire was attached to al-Shaikh Nasser's penis and another one attached to one of his toes. He was asked if he could identify me and he said`This is al- ShaikhYahya'.
"They took me to another room. I was then left suspended in the same manner as al-Shaikh al-Sa'idi. My face was looking upward. They attached an electric wire on my penis and the other end of the wire was attached to an electric motor. One security man was hitting my feet with a cable. Electric shocks were applied every few minutes and were increased. I must have been suspended for more than an hour. I lost consciousness. `'
* Niyyad Taresh Sajet al- Sa'idi, a 25-year-old former student at Baghdad's Institute of Fine Arts,was arrested with three of his brothers, Salem, Hamid and Fahd, in June 1999. Each was made to watch the torture of al-Shaikh Nasser. They were tortured separately in front of their brother.
Methods of torture included being left suspended and electric shocks being applied on their bodies, including their genitals. They were tortured every two or three days during the first three weeks.
Al-Shaikh Nasser was sentenced to death in May 2000. At the beginning of 2001 he was transferred to al-Radhwaniya detention centre,where he is reported still to be on Death Row. |
sounds to me like the Us government is a lot nicer that They former Iraq Governemt was. hmmm having my toenails riped out, or having a pair of firm breasts rubbed on my back......hard to decide what is more degrading and inhumane if you ask me (insert sarcasim here)
the thing that REALY ticks me about this is how the US set up this camp, off US soil to allow them to break US laws. That makes me as sick as the coperate scum bags that have a PO pox in St Corix as thier "head quarters" to avoid paying thier share of federal taxs Living and working in the US the whole time. Legal? yes, Ethical? it fucking makes me sick.
Too bad no one has goten a hard copy of the Red Cross's report leaked yet, I would love to read whats happening to these men through impartial international eyes.
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Behind it all there are some sick minds. And those people are among us, go back to their families and tell them they had a hard working day. PIGS!
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| ...blah...blah...blah....well they were refering to mass homicide in the nazi death camps, not about letting women question men, or touch men...blah...blah...blah...sounds to me like the Us government is a lot nicer ...blah...blah...blah... hmmm having my toenails riped out, or having a pair of firm breasts rubbed on my back (AS IF...)......hard to decide what is more degrading and inhumane if you ask me (insert sarcasim here) ...blah...blah...blah...the thing that REALY ticks me about this is how...blah...blah...blah... |
Your clarity of vision, wisdom and unique grasp of international events prompts me to ask Bro Ferre if you can have your very own forum on these boards. We'll call it...
POSTCARDS FROM DUMFUCKISTAN
You are actually doing us a service here. This, being an international forum, allows non-americans to see just how badly addled approximately 50% of the U.S. population really is.
Many have only heard rumors. Their greatest fears and misgivings have, now, been confirmed. For this, we can only thank you, Sir.
Bliss Off!
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(Note: My apologies to all for my uncharacteristic rudeness. I'm nuturing my INNER GRUMP who has felt neglected of late. We now return to your regular programming.)
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Bliss Off!
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maby I missed somthing in the post "Gruesome details emerge of Iraqi torture methods " or did you missunderstand and think this was a report of what Americans did to them?
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Many victims of torture have been Shi'a Muslims suspected of anti-government activities. The February 1999 murder of a prominent leading Shi'a cleric and his two sons in the town of al-Najaf sparked off riots in predominantly Shi'a districts in Baghdad. Protests in Saddam City resulted in the killings of dozens of protesters by the security forces and the arrests of hundreds of people.
A month later, riots erupted in Basra for three days, during which the local headquarters of the ruling Ba'ath Party was attacked and several government officials were killed by armed Shi'a Muslims. During and following these events, hundreds of followers of Ayatollah al-Sadr were arrested and tortured. Amnesty said the victims included:
* Al-Shaikh Nazzar Kadhim al-Bahadli, a 29-year-old theology student, who was detained in June 1999 in the building of Saddam Security Directorate.
His wife, father and mother were brought to the building in August and tortured in front of himtoforcehimto confessto being one of those responsible for the disturbances in Saddam City. They were released following his confession, but he was later sentenced to death, andexecutedinearly 2001.
* Al-ShaikhYahya Muhsin Ja'far al-Zeini, from Saddam City, a 29-year-old former theology student. Security men blindfolded him and took him to the Security Directorate where he was taken to a room and his blindfold removed. |
Please explain for the other 50% of us Mystic Power what I said that has upset you so much that you stoop to childish name calling and adding words to my post then still using the [/quote]'s ? Put the pipe down for a minut and check back into reality before you reply please.
I know a native born German man, and have spoken to him about WWII and his thoughts on what happened. He says the German people did not belive thier were any death camp for years after the war. but as a child he learned about that grusome bit of his countrys history.
I have spent hours talking to young men and women going to, and coming back from Iraq. Listened to how the "thugs" are trying to over run the little security they have because they are afrade that the country will alow Laws that are not dictated by 1 vision of Gods law.
I am dumbfounded that you feel the need to attack my coments with such ignorant methods.
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These same guys were talking about here in these camps so offended by the treament they are getting from the opposite sex, are the same guys who beat thier women and force them to cover themselves in public.
lets not forget who we are talking about here.
My mother was beaten in front of me while I was a small child. Call me uncompassionate, but I say they deserve whatever they get.
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Torture is torture. If you use torture and try to get excused for it because someone else has done worse... it's a way get us out of focus.
Mr White is a serial torturer and has tortured all of his neighbours and has killed a few of the people in his village Tearsland. To bring Mr White to justice, Mr Black goes to Tearsland and kills a few he suspects to be Mr White's friends. In the way some innocent people get killed too. The ones that are not killed are tortured. Mr Black does not know whether they are real bad people or not, but who cares? Mr White has done worse.
Erm....
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Torture is torture. If you use torture and try to get excused for it because someone else has done worse... it's a way get us out of focus.
Mr White is a serial torturer and has tortured all of his neighbours and has killed a few of the people in his village Tearsland. To bring Mr White to justice, Mr Black goes to Tearsland and kills a few he suspects to be Mr White's friends. In the way some innocent people get killed too. The ones that are not killed are tortured. Mr Black does not know whether they are real bad people or not, but who cares? Mr White has done worse.
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Its sick how the world works, isnt it?
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