getting an i.d. card

cinasman · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject: getting an i.d. card

I recently registered, how do I get an i.d. card? Is there more that I must do in order to get one ?
thanks
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**Torkel** · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject:

Welcome aboard, cinasman Smile

Here is some info from another post by Ferre:
More details here:
http://www.thc-ministry.org/kit2.htm

you also have the possibility to receive a "1-2-3 kit" for a donation of $25 + $5 shipping costs, total $30. Details here:
http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1881
and here:
http://www.thc-ministry.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=218#218

Peace & stay safe, Torkel
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**Ferre** · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject:

First of all and most important is to be registered here:

http://www.thc-ministry.net/register.html

Being registered at our forums is not an official registration at THC Ministry, the above link is for the official and only global THC Ministry members db. Before we can provide you with your THC Ministry ID card you will need to be registered as a member.
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King Green · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 13

I registered first at Rev. Ferre 's link then later at this web site and I got no id card .

The way it is .......is to get a card you must send money ??????

Right.

I know there are many tv ministeries that want money to prove you are a member who cares ........... oh you can beg them.Its about power submit

What about the poor? Who don't have 25+ 5 shipping and handeling to get there cards??????

Why not allow a new member to print a card upon registering???????

I've been told by people at OG it's about dollars$$$$$$

So to get that card you need to pay. or BEG how humilating

The proper way is to offer it upon registration !

I registered but will not pay or beg to join a religion, so I guess I'm ........

Rev.Holden Greene · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:54 am Post subject:

you are are part of our religion if you signed up you do not need proof to be a part of our religion

however if somone doesnt belive you it may be usefull to have

you are not required to order a kit to be a part of the ministry

if you order the kit you get a real id not a computer printout & much more

we cannot afford to send materials to thousands of people all over the world for free
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**Rev. Rodger L. Poole** · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:09 am Post subject:

You dont see the ULC handing stuff out for free. They will ordain you for free of course, but you have to pay for ordination certificates and stuff. Youre not paying to join their religion when you do that, are you? Of course not. There are expenses attached to all of the material you receive. We dont owe anyone anything just because they joined our ministry. Im sorry if you feel this is about money...But I think there are easier ways to get rich, dont you?
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King Green · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 13

I logged on to delete that post because it was negative and just doesn't matter.But I fell I must reply since my post has been addressed.

I don't need an id card what good would it really do ? nothing it's just paper. Kind of silly of me to care about a card right.

I was not asking for a kit nor do I expect kits be sent out for free.

I don't know anything about the ULC I have not been able to log on to the site since I first came here.

I do understand there are cost associated with material things.

"We dont owe anyone anything just because they joined our ministry. Im sorry if you feel this is about money...But I think there are easier ways to get rich, dont you?"

Never said you or anyone owed me or another member anything for free.

I rely only on myself I don't ask others for material goods nor do I ask the state for assistence.

I'm sorry I felt the card was money related.

I know nothing about getting rich. Money invoked a responce from me as it did in you.

Thank you for taking the time to answer and remind me I don't need a card ,if I needed it The Great spirit ,Consciousness of the Universe, God would provide Very Happy

peace bro,KG

King Green · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 13

http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2070

If you are a sincere and legitimate religious enjoyer of cannabis sacrament, in private - at home, and are NOT 'in commerce' with the herb, then you have a built-in religious 'defense to prosecution' provable by having the plants tagged IN ADVANCE. Nice work. In addition, hopefully you have a SANCTUARY sign posted inside the home, and wallet id cards from the THC Ministry and the ULC. Enjoy! <<< Roger C

I may be one of the few members here who has stood before a judge an recieved a prison sentence for growing about 15 years ago.

I pray I ( or others ) never find out how useful tags and id cards are, after all its religion.

Cards and tags along with a sanctuary sign should not be needed for religion.

KG

Rev.Holden Greene · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject:

they are not needed to practice the religion but can be used to show the scincerity of your beliefs

they can be usefull if the law ever persecutes you for practicing that religion

the court will want to make sure that you are not a just a user trying to hide behind it

you should check out our defence to prosecution & present court case threads to get an idea of what the courts want to see
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**Rev. Rodger L. Poole** · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject:

King Green,

Thank you for taking the time to read these posts, and consider what we were saying. I think its very clear now that you understand the way this ministry functions. Your apology is very much accepted...

A few thoughts I had after reading your post(s):

Signs and tags are not necessary for this religion. They may however make things easier at the time of the confrontation. If you prove who you are now, you may not have to do it later in a court of law. Does that make sense?

If you would like to get in contact with the ULC , just click the link at the bottom of this post that says Universal Life Church....it is a hotlink that will take you right to the ULC Seminary, which is up and running strong. I think you will find it an improvement over the old site, but thats just my opinion. We encourage every member to become ordained through the ULC, to help further show their legitimacy and sincerity....They ordain you for free. You may get some kind of print out certificate at the time of ordination, I dont know if they still do that. Send them the $5 and get an ordination credential, though. Its worth it, because you can use it later on for other things, like getting a license to marry in your state if you wanted to...and you dont have to worry about it getting messed up or torn. They are nice heavy stock paper, and are suitable for framing. I think for an extra buck, they will even put a nice big foil seal on it for you. If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
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Stop being a slave to Cannabis, and do something with your life! How much is smoking weed going to cost you before you will WAKE UP?

Put down the bong

and pick up a book every once in a while for Pete's sake.

"Compassion to those that deserve it, and Justice for all others."

Pepper · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject:

**Ferre** · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:54 am Post subject:

Exactly what brother Pepper says.

It has a practical function too. You will always find corrupted, or ignorant people in the police force. When you tell people, also police officers, that you are an ordained minister with a religion who use cannabis as sacrament there always be those who will not only not believe you, but even start laughing because in their minds this is a joke and not possible. If this happens when explaining this to police officers when they are confronting you with for them illegal substances found in your possesion there will be a possibility that what you say will not even be documented by them. However when you produce the visible evidence of your statement and demand this to be documented they will have to add the documentation that you bring in (or copies) to all the other evidence in their report and this way it will be impossible for a court to deny religious defence.
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RogerChristie · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: It's about effectiveness

Hello King Green and everyone,

Aloha. Thanks (really!) for the questions about our id cards and kits. I often wonder how to improve what we do here in an effort to become more effective in our mission - and to be self-sustaining. Skeptics and questioners truly help me to re-organize my thoughts and accept or reject their critiques. It's healthy!

Free kits, free id cards and free holy oil have been a part of this ministry for years. Is it righteous to provide ministry things and services for money? Is it in integrity to ask for a donation? Is living 'poor' the way to go? Do we want to help the poor and needy, or do we want to be the poor and needy?

The Bible makes a case for 'tithing', or 10% of your crop or your earnings off-the-top, so to speak, goes to the ministry or church that nurishes you. Is that 'righteous'? Does it work? Is it effective and is it sustainable? Would people prefer that? Would you?

ULC takes care of free ordainments for anyone. I think we present a balanced approach to giving and receiving. What do you think?

Probably 98% of our registered members don't contribute or donate anything...zip, nada, nothing. What does this say about me? What does this say about our ministry? What does it say about the membership? It's all worth discussing to some degree.

I want to be even MORE effective. I want to be part of a dynamic, growing ministry where MOST members participate, donate and invest time and money. Of course we take care of the poor and needy. We do it every day! (You should see my local street ministry here in Hilo.)

All the very best to you,

Roger

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Rev.Holden Greene · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject:

hey roger iv been tryin to get ahold of you i ordered a sanctuary kit you asked me to remond you of my info ive sent pms to you here in the hawaii forums + i sent an email can you confirm if you got my info + my kit has been sent out im sorry if i seem impatient but im anxious to check it out + start building my defence
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ctbdad · Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject: just a tip

if you are new to the ministry and are "low income" such as my self, you might find the cheapest easiest way to get through till you can afford either kit would be to be as cautious and carefull as possible. use sacrement indoors , don't carry it unless it is safely stashed in a place no one would or could look, be smart and avoid any possible confrontation you can, and if a cop stops you, don't, i repeat, don't lose your cool, cops are bloodhounds trained to detect fear ,nervousness, and lies. i've been using cannabis sacrement for 26 yrs. and have only gotten a misdomeaner possession charge which i wouldn't have even gotten if i had not had a bench warrent out for an unpaid traffic fine. playing it low key and being watchfull and aware of everything going on around me plus having god's hand in my life has helped me out alot. that charge cost me a yr. and $1000.00 for .8 grms of cannabis and 1 job french light rolling paper!!! this has helped me, may it help others too. but as soon as possible get the 123 kit at least.