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420reverend · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: precedent cases

every conviction i found their is always the question of when u joined the church many peoples proof showed that they joined after their "bummer", and #2 it is hard to say it was sincere religious belief, if ur got any selling charges churches work for free and donations keep us growing
when u join after the bust the "blessing" reefered to is for future use. You probably cant find a case were it worked out right because the da doesnt pick up cases it cant win, if u r legit and didnt join after the fact, and arent busted with any thing to be construed as selling, they will drop a simple possesion ticket to save time and money and even MORE IMPORTANT NOT TAKE THE CHANCE OF AN NOT GUILTY VERDICT ON RELIGIOUS MARIJUANA USE.

google "new jesey weed man" for the most indepth post to this subject and all legal paper work pertaining to it
or

i got a link on my website www.greenfaithministry.com
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David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

**Ferre** · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:46 am Post subject:

420reverend · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: precedent cases

here s a link to the spiritual marijuana case that has the most info, state and fed hopefuly u can use it, he made some mistakes but if u fix his holes on ur case it should be an open and shut dismisal

http://www.njweedman.com/smokeout
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Stokes · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:38 am Post subject:

**Ferre** · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:58 am Post subject:

The Amsterdam Cannabis Ministry is not a "multi-faith" ministry Stokes. The Amsterdam Cannabis Ministry is a Kantheist ministry. Our members are Kantheists, not christians, muslims, hindus or otherwise.

We started out with the idea that people with other religious dominations were welcome but that didn't work out. Christians can't handle "multi-faith", they kept on evangelizing as soon as they joined and attempted to "christianize" this ancient religion and this caused many of our members to turn their back on us, sick and tired of being confronted with evangelizing posts full of bible scriptures from christian infiltrators who do not come here to learn from others but to teach their christian gospel.

Christians apparently believe that "multi faith" means that they can dominate a community and christianize it. They have their tactics, they usually clutter the boards with bible quotes and even use bible quotes to reply to people's questions and create an atmosphere where ONLY their fellow christians feel comfortable with, thus pushing all other people away. Whether they are willingly and calculative doing this or out of other reasons doesn't matter, fact is that they behave in such a manner that only their fellow believers can stomach them and we do not accept this any more. We found that Christians, as a group, have too much disrespect for others and can't behave socially in a multi faith environment, they take over, dominate, and anyone who dares to critisize this disrespectful behaviour becomes the target of a campaign painting the critic as a bigot and the christians as poor victims of discrimination and violations of their freedom of speech.

Besides, christianity is in conflict with our basic tenets which INCLUDES MODERN SCIENCE. Modern science proves that their core believe system is based on irrational thought, the believe in imaginary friends and imaginary torture in an imaginary place for eternity as a punishment for not accepting their delusions. We've had one-too-many of them telling us we are "lost" and need to be "saved", let them go save somewhere else, there's no place for them here. Their believe system is based on fear; The fear of being punished for eternity when one does not submit to enslave one's mind to christian doctrines. This sort of emotional blackmail and indoctrination goes beyond any reason and sense of morals, it's just plain wrong.
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Stokes · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject:

Ferre,

I understand the difficulties you mention, and I thank you for the explanation.

... although I must admit that some confusion still exists for me and for many others as well.

Allow me to explain.

"Hello Friend, whoever and wherever you are ..."

The above words are from the first line, in the first post, on the 'welcome' thread of these forums ... and how true are they?

You are advertising 'THC Ministry' at the top of these forums, but your words in the last post you made on this thread make known, in no uncertain terms, that you want absolutely nothing to do with the Christians that may be included in that THC Ministry group.

Maybe to avoid any further confusion in this area for new and prospective members, you could eliminate the words 'THC Ministry Amsterdam' at the top of your page and change them to what you've more accurately described as 'The Amsterdam Cannabis Ministry' or 'TAC Ministry'.

Also, there is a clear link directly to 'The Hawai'i Cannabis Ministry' at the bottom of your pages that claims you are an affiliated 'member' of THC Ministry. And if I'm not mistaken, The Hawai'i Cannabis Ministry is still a multi-faith/non-denominational ministry that does not exclude Christians or any others.

If I were a new member here (Christian or non), I would be a bit confused by this approach to say the least. In fact, recently I noticed a welcome post from you to a new member, 'McCool', where that person's obvious Christian style was welcomed by you with open arms. Yet, between Yourself, David, and Adam (3 of the primary posters on these forums) there exists an undeniably strong tendency toward anti-christian/anti-THC Ministry opinions.

How long were you planning on waiting to share your real feelings toward Christians with this new member, McCool ... or any other new members for that matter? After the last post you made in this thread, you certainly can't expect to hide the truth of your feelings for much longer.

If you wish to remain affiliated with Roger and the THC Ministry for whatever reasons, maybe the only honorable thing for you to do in this kind of situation would be to waste no time sending obvious Christians directly to the Hawai'i Ministry forums so that they are not left with a bad feeling for our organization as a whole.

It's simply a matter of doing the right thing, for unselfish reasons. So please don't exercise your right to hurl insults and accusations at me after reading this, because I'm only trying see things as all new members would ... and hopefully to make things more amicable for everyone involved.

peace and love (no Jeebus) to you,

Stokes
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David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

Please Stokes,
Don't bring me into your confusion.
Multi faiths will never live in harmony, I believe in freedom and christianity believes in serving. Jews hate christians, muslims hate christians.
Christians do not believe in freedom.
Anyway as far as I know everyone on the hawaiian site arn't christians either they are more like christ himself, which if you listen to a true christian they would take that as an insult, no-one is allowed to claim being an image of the holy one. Maybe because they would need to be free which christians are not allowed to be, they must serve.

It's all too confusing to me. rather just not talk about a book that was written to make you obey by fear.

malloryjade · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject:

Stokes with all due respect, If you don't understand by now I doubt you ever will. Thats ok. you can still show respect for people without understanding and just move on. Some questions in life just go unanswered and the best thing to do is just let it be. Thats why you have your God .when there is something you can't deal with or know how to your supposed to give it up to him. You do know the serenity prayer? anyways I don't want to see this place get turned upside down again. Mallory Jade no Jeebus for me either thanks! Cool

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