Evidence of God?

**Ferre** · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:12 am Post subject:

Good article by Deepak but that Alex Grey dude's article below it makes assumptions that are totally non scientifical, putting it in the same context is a flaw in my view, too many assumptions in there.
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**Mystic Power** · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject:

Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

I don't do rabbits. http://www.motley-focus.com/death.html
This image is "Dying" by: Alex Grey. This is what the webpage is trying to display when that text appears

This string of text "Dying" by: Alex Grey seems to have discredited the document which was written entirely by Deepak Chopra. The reason the text appears is because the image was not displayed. This has something to do with how the web pages are formated, but the text is ligitimate. I have the original article in my Email but I don't know how to post it to the forum and have it remain intact. I can forward the original Email to anyone who may want to see it.

**Ferre** · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject:

I see, well in that case I think that Deepak, in the second part of the article, is making too many assumptions, again we see someone who explains "I have no clue" with assuming it is 'god'.
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Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

Hercules was mentioned earlier as was santa, if only there were a weed fairy. Who is to say that he never existed? What if powerful aliens have been to Earth in the distant past and presented themselves as gods? What if many of the ancient gods like Hercules did exist, but we didn't realize what they really were? The progress of humanity has been knocked over a number of times in the past. The library of Alexandria, the dark ages and other times lost to history no doubt. Perhaps there was more credible evidence of Christ then exists today. The loss to humanity from the book burnings is incalcuable. The bias shown by the athiests against Christianity prevents them from making a credible judgement. In archeology the scientist rarely examines ancient texts or tablets from say the Sumarians or or others with such bias as the athiests view the Christian scriptures. The scientists never demand that a civilization prove they existed.

You dismiss Chopra's account as assumption but you are using a false standard, in reality, the possibility of anything can be quantified, but there are situations whereby you deny this. I'm not talking about santa here. By denying God's existance, you have already acknowledged the possibilty of it. A question has been asked, does God exist and you have answered it. you have inserted yourself into a system which has two possible outcomes, god exists or he does not. Some things are not a matter of opinion. you have dismissed a respected scientist with a one sided logic, one which does not allow for all posibilities in a limitless universe and is not usable by the scientific community. you can dismiss anything you want with that kind of thinking, it happened in America and Russia when the governments dismissed the scientists and the proliferation of nuclear weapons went unchecked, now we have the threat of nuclear terrorism. Such closed mindedness has never helped the world. All your points about Christianity are well taken, but you have gone so far in the opposite direction of it, not evil but just totaly so antiGod that you become as irrational as you accuse the christians of being.
In this quantum mechanical universe there even exist dimensions where you are the frothing Christian and I am the blaspheming heathen. Laughing

. If there is a "Next step" beyond quantum mechanics, from the trend I see there is a very good chance that it will include recognition of the soul and of God himself.

**Ferre** · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:22 am Post subject:

Well, the possibility of aliens visiting in the past is something that I do not think as being impossible, the existence of other dimentions is easy to accept too, I doubt that evidence of god would have been destroyed with the library of Alexandria, the reason they destroyed the library had other reasons, namely to destroy the evidence of the existence of all non-christian cultures and their knowledge, if there had been evidence of the existence of god, it would not have been destroyed, the library was destroyed because it was a treath to 'christianity' and evidence of god would have been the opposite of a treath.

Just to make it clear, I do not 'believe' in the biblical explaination of 'god' and certainly not in the doctrines and dogmas that this book containes. As I have stated before, only because we do not understand the life force in nature doesn't make me believe it was fabricated by some sort of almighty entity who wants us to obey 'his/her' rules and doctrines. And in my view, any scientist who replaces the 'I have no clue' factor with 'god' doesn't make himself much credible.

The god story and its 'prove' is like newspaper horoscopes, you always find something related in those stories but that doesn't make them absolute.
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**Ferre** · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject:

The problem that will always exist with finding an explaination and/or evidence of a 'god' is the simple fact that if there was such a thing as 'god', it would have popped up out of nowhere.

The therory that there would be a god popping up out of nowhere to make this universe, nature and all in it makes no sense to me because in this line of thinking it's more plausible that the universe popped up first out of nowhere and nature evolved from that.

If one blieves that there was a god who 'made' the universe
WHO would have "made" a god to make the universe? Another god perhaps, if so, who/what 'made' that other god then? this is a flaw in the religious stories that hardly ever gets addressed and which is avoided to mention by all the representatives of religions who believe this 'god theory'
The only references to this god is cited in the judeo-christian literature, which is historically proven to contain enormous errors and is also proven to be a human invention for the gain of world domination/power.

What's so difficult in admitting that science has not evolved enough yet to give those answers?
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**Mystic Power** · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject:

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**Torkel** · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject:

MP wrote:

Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

Science is an incredible tool but scientists can and have lied to the world many times. This is a problem with science, it is so difficult to simply dismiss the scientists but sometimes they do lie. They lie to prove a point, they lie to make a name for themselves, they lie to discourage and they lie to keep research funds flowing. But usually they don't lie, usually, at least often enough they are right on the money so we must trust them, just not 100%, but which percentage, how do we know when they lie? Confused

I think I see what your getting at now. The concept of God as we know it and the only reference to a supreme being anywhere is from the Judeo/Christian tradition. Any discussion which entertains the concept of a supreme god automaticaly infers reference to this God. Wow, thats a dificult thing to work around. I have never found the concept of a creator to be a hindrence when I try to understand the things. Actually, sometimes it helps. Theories like the big bang are interesting but make no attempt to reconcile the existance of spacetime, which is possibly where everything comes from anyway. Theories abound but all start with infinite energy which is by law imposible to create.