Did the Nazi's really lose WWII?

**aeroplane** · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:50 am Post subject: Did the Nazi's really lose WWII?

Did the Nazi's really lose WWII?

Have you noticed any disturbing trends over the years since Bush seized control of the White House in 2001?

Racism is being encouraged in America.

American's are being encouraged to spy on one another.

American's are encouraged to call the imposter occupying the oval office "Our Leader".

America was once the world's shining example of liberty, freedom and peace; now that has been replaced with a clown mask over the brutal face of totalitarianism.

Globally, fascism is on the rise at a rate unseen since WWII.

I'm sure this list could go on an on, (please add to it). But it brings me back to my original question: Did the Nazi's really lose WWII? Or was it all a subterfuge as people behind the scenes in Europe, America, & Russia gave refuge to Nazi's?
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zero · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject:

god dammit mystic, you keep that son of a bitchin evil clown away from me.

I almost shit my britches for christ sakes.
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**Mystic Power** · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject:

It's pretty creepy.

I never did like the circus...
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zero · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:02 pm Post subject:

I dont even like 'family circus" or "circus circus" in vegas, or "the circus of the stars" whatever the fuck that is.

ok, I take back the second one. but all the others are evil.
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Paramatrix · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject:

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When it comes fascism, we can be sure it did not disappear back then. By the way, did you know during the WWII some powerful individuals supported nazi's, which 'might' be a reason the US was in a passive state before Pearl Harbor (something that the current government was aware of and did nothing). In fact, it was a grand father of George Walker Bush himself who was a banker of nazi investments and so. Prescott Bush. From him to GWB we can see how the membership of the wellknown Skull&Bones society comes from father to son. A miracle?

The bank of New York dealt with the nazies until 1941 when Trading with the enemy act ended at least officially such activities. They must have had such nice business at the time. It is from this business the Bush family grew the wealth. But they of course are just another hand of puppets telling us what they are being told, the hierarchy behind and above this level does not want us to know anything about them. Democrazy mostly, is just a scene, as we can see.

Add to this, at the end of WWII the nazi mind control specialists and other scientists fled to Americas, one of the fruits of this operation was Hollywood (still wondering the violent mediaculture?). Of course, we see lots of fascist symbols in the flags and statues of different governments, as they have been passed on via myriad different societies and parties and cults. The power belongs to the people, all the rest is a side-show run by the puppet masters who are soon to be exposed and dealt with.

The very nature of fascism, is to be destroyed by its own power. Its very idea does not support the idea of contiunity, which life is all about.

Farewell fascism, you never was nothing else but an illusion mankind was fooled to dream of.
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BroRo · Banned Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 85 Location: here

Firstly, that clown pic is one hell of a scary image. The scariest image I remember when I was a kid was from some made for TV BBC spook movie with a sinister clown in it. Gave me nightmares . I mean he was so threatening---like some kind of trickster archetype from the depths of the collective unconscious.

I reckon fascism wasn't defeated in 1945. It just experienced a temporary setback-- a lost battle in an ongoing process that started back in Babylonian days( or before). It's like pushing someone underwater and they keep bobbing back up. I mean you can defeat it in one particular conflict but it doesn't just go away and leave human consciousness. It just switches abode.

The Nazis were just a recent manifestation or embodiment of seriously bad energy that took advantage of the right conditions for growth at that time in Germany. It's always been around and still is, seemingly rearing its ugly head here and there on the present world stage.
It's always one thing though, no matter what form it takes ,and that's a totalitarian and ideological mind set,whether it's a religion, nationalism or corporate greed.

I figure the only way out is consciousness transformation through entheogens. Time is short and of the essence!
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**Mystic Power** · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:16 pm Post subject:

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Don Quixote · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:46 am Post subject:

a dis-shevled , mutering loon rides into town on an old beat up nag.people who see him roll their eyes towards the heavens "here we go again , he's back" they say as they gather up their loved ones , clear the streets and lock their front doors!

on the subject of 'did the nazi's loose the war'

nope!they had a plan did those top nazi's.a plan that went something like this :-

in the final days , just before the Allied armies and Soviet armies over-ran Germany , the top industrialist , who were the real and hidden face of nazism, decided to gather up all the hundreds of billions of marks , dollars , swiss franks and pounds earned from the british American and other european companies that had financed the nazi party and to disperse into the 'western world' .

they were sheltered and protected by their 'sister' companies in britain and America , people like dupont , ICI , the company that is now BP the international and swiss banks , and national banks , engineering , chemical , pharmaceutical , arms and all the other great institutions on which our societies are based.the very people who run our countries and own our governments.

the same people responsible for prohibition of our sacrament.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this was a plan which was , in fact , written down and it was called , in english ,

the New World Order - the Thousand Year Reich.

it detailed how German , European and American corporations would dominate the earths resources and enslave the 'untermensch' , forcing them to work for their Aryan (anglo-saxon) masters or the 'Ubermensch' as the nazis called them.

of course this plan called for total obedience from the citizens of their own countries and of course our own.this would be achieved by a scheme not dissimilar to the 'Homeland Security' model now being rolled out in britain and America.

also it may interest you to know that Bushes grandfather (on his mothers side ) was indicted for war crimes after WW2 because his bank the Harriman bank (i think?) had been instramental in funding the nazi party before and during the war.

also he funded a series of tours by the nazis in America before the war , in which they appeared in full uniform to speak at various venues and halls.these appearances were filmed and are still available if anyone is interested . i got coppies from bit torrent. but i lost them the last time my Microsoft corp computer seized and crashed.

of course the American people utterly rejected these nazi philosophies , unlike the british aristocracy who welcomed them with open arms.

you will notice that at the Nurenberg trials not one of the top industrialists or even the architects of nazism was ever caught and tried.they all 'escaped''.their is documented evidence of the british SOE (now called mi6) agents smuggling people like joseph mengele (the white angel of death and father of modern genetic engineering)onto british ships and submarines out of places such as southern spain.mengeles documents on human experiments (he left Germany with them in a briefcase)later turned up at ICI archives.

etc ... etc ... etc ... still awake ???

funny old world aint it ???

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HighRising · Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject:

I guess you can say they "Lost" as in Hitler is dead and a swastika doesn't fly over the Reichstag anymore... but the things they represented have always been around, they just have a different face to them right now.
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**Mystic Power** · Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject:

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BroRo · Banned Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 85 Location: here

The sixties. Most important decade in history. Like it or not. Just think of it. Decrepit, rotten institutions challenged and questioned...state, church, war and the military industrial complex. Consciousness expansion using entheogens on a mass scale,taking the fear, guilt and hypocrisy out of sex, the resurgence of romanticism and a love for the earth, rights for blacks, some damned good music, a discovery of Eastern spiritual paths, a new sense of community as an alternative to the semi-detached nuclear family suburban prison---the counter culture!
I'm really fed up with reactionary smart asses knocking the sixties when they know nothing about the time . OK it was messy too, but that's the process( it made short work of marriage and monogamy, which hasn't really recovered---but look what came before). The price of freedom is what freedom brings.