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Brother Adam
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 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: Did Osama claim 9-11 attacks? |
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OK...interesting question I'm sure someone can find links for me. Did Osama in fact claim responsibility for 9-11? Where are the video tapes. I was told he spelled out his plan in a video interview with a famous reporter months before 9-11. I was also told that he has made several claims that he is responsible for the attacks since. Funny part is, that doesnt jive with what I've read everywhere. Someone please post links showing where Osama claims the 9-11 attacks. Thank you.
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Brother Adam
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Hey thanks Mystic....I found the stuff I was looking for at www.whatreallyhappened.com somewhere. I knew it was out there. Someone was arguing with me that Osama had in fact claimed responsibility numerous times for the attacks.
It gets old watching people blindly support things they don't understand, and then refuse to have any cognitive thought process about the facts when they are spelled out in black and white.
It's like somehow the nuerological mechanism that made mankind so great, individual thought processes, has been erased from our collective psyche. PFF!
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Torkel
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Read this article, bro:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
It contains the answers to your questions with documentation/research to back it up.
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Here is an excerpt from:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
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FRAMING BIN LADEN
Within minutes after the attack, a parade of politicians and "terrorism experts" appeared on every TV channel all claiming that the attacks were the work of Osama Bin Laden. The Bush administration claimed that it had evidence linking Bin Laden to the attacks which it would release to the public in a matter of days. They never did. Just like they never provided any evidence that he blew up the US embassies in Africa in 1997. The entire case against Osama Bin Laden was based on nothing but the repeated claim that he was the culprit for the embassy bombings and for 9-11. Demands were placed upon the Taleban government of Afghanistan turn Bin Laden over to the US or face an attack (we established earlier that US military action had already been planned since June). 116A ,116B The Taleban offered to turn Bin Laden over to a neutral party if the US provided any evidence to them that he had anything to do with the 1997 US African embassy bombings or the 9-11 attacks. The evidence was never presented to the Taleban for two reasons:
1. There was never any evidence, not even circumstantial
2. The war to replace the Taleban with a US puppet government was already in motion. The 9-11 attacks served as the perfect excuse, the "incident" to win the support of the American people and kick off the war.
Three months after the attacks, and with the bombing of Afghani peasants in full swing, the US had still not provided one shred of evidence to link Bin Laden and his Al Qaeda "network" to 9-11. People in foreign countries were beginning to ask questions. Then one day, the Pentagon claimed that some unnamed source found a video tape in Afghanistan. The Bush gang began dropping hints in the media that this video shows Osama Bin Laden bragging and admitting his role in the attacks. How convenient! And how improbable. The "mastermind" of 9-11, who was so brilliant that he pulled off 9-11 without being detected, was careless enough to leave a "confession video" laying around to be discovered by the US!
The video was shown on the news with English subtitles. Bin Laden's voice was so barely audible that even viewers in Arab nations had to rely on the Pentagon’s translated subtitles! An obedient American (Zionist) news media accepted the Pentagon story and translation without question. A few Arab media whores were even trotted out to vouch for the tape’s authenticity. Aha! This is the "smoking gun" they assured us. But this too is another vicious lie.
On December 20, 2001, the German TV show Monitor (the "60 Minutes of Germany") found the translation of the "confession" video to be not only "inaccurate", but even "manipulative". 117 Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini and Professor Gernot Rotter made an independent translation and accused the White House translators of "writing a lot of things that they wanted to hear but cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it." 118
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Take a look at this while you're at it. The next quote is from here.
http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html
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Bin Laden: AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW
by Carol A. Valentine
Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
http://www.Public-Action.com
Copyright, October, 2001
May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes.
October 16, 2001-- An interview with Osama bin Laden was published in a Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper, Ummat, on September 28, 2001. In this interview, bin Laden says of the September 11 attacks in the US:
"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.
"It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people . . . " Everyone familiar with the content of the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
http://www.Public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum
knows bin Laden is telling the truth.
News of this Ummat interview was suppressed in the US. Between the time of its publication and October 7, the US apparently spent its time creating a fake "bin Laden" interview, using either a stand-in or morphing. Or was the fraud produced by the Brits, as a favor to the US? No, the Taliban Home Video was a ham-fisted effort. The Brits usually have more subtlety.
You can read about the US fraud, "The Taliban Home Video," at
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/hvideo.html
Attached to "The Taliban Home Video" you will find a copy of a March, 1977 CNN interview with bin Laden, conducted by Peter Arnett. Compare the content and the style of bin Laden's remarks in the 1977 CNN interview with the content and style of bin Laden's remarks in the September 28, 2001 Ummat interview. Yes, it is the same man, all right. It appears to me that the Ummat interview is authentic.
Here is a copy of the Ummat interview, which you can find at this URL:
http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392&TagID=2
I am grateful to InfoTimes <infotimes@rcn.com> for passing this information along to me.
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Usama bin Laden Says Israeli Regime is Behind the 9-11 Attacks
KABUL, Afghanistan (Ummat): Prominent Arab mojahed (freedom fighter) Usama bin Laden or the Al-Qaida group has nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the Bush Administration, according to an Usama bin Laden interview with Ummat, the Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper. In his interview, Usama bin Laden pointed out that the Israeli regime is behind the 9-11 attacks. He expressed gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging the Pakistani people to continue their jehad against dictators, tyrants, traitors, crooks, criminals, dictatorships and tyrannies. Following is the text of Usama Bin Laden's interview conducted by a "special correspondent" and published in the daily Ummat on Friday, 28 September 2001. [The place and date of the interview was not given by Ummat.]
Daily UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?
USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (saw) for our guidance. I am thankful to The Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims. |
There's more at the link above this quote.
Peace,
Torkel 
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Brother Adam
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Thank you Torkel! I really appreciate the links. Sadly enough though, when I open my mouth about things like this, then back it up with mountains of evidence the discussion just......STOPS. Must not be worth replying when it's obvious I'm right. It also seems that people would not like to admit or even think for a minute that what happened is not exactly the story we were told by the media.
I can't stand the ignorance so I'll have to go start more topics elsewhere till people are sick of it...It's kinda fun stirring the bowl of shit while everyone else swims in it!
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Well, that was only fun while it lasted. I put a thread up somewhere (not important where) about all this stuff because of all the mis-information flying around where I was. Guess what kind of response I got???????????
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I have to curb myself from anger in these situations, but I tend to get irate with ignorance.
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Well, that was only fun while it lasted. I put a thread up somewhere (not important where) about all this stuff because of all the mis-information flying around where I was. Guess what kind of response I got???????????
DELETED!!!!!!!!
I have to curb myself from anger in these situations, but I tend to get irate with ignorance. |
Well, I got banned from the ULC.net forums because I posted the truth there. Somehow the administrators there can not handle that. They said I was an 'American basher'. 
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Hehe! More like an idiot basher....keep slapping my country men around Bro. Ferre...They could use your wisdom! 
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| Ferre wrote: |
| Rev. Adam wrote: |
Well, that was only fun while it lasted. I put a thread up somewhere (not important where) about all this stuff because of all the mis-information flying around where I was. Guess what kind of response I got???????????
DELETED!!!!!!!!
I have to curb myself from anger in these situations, but I tend to get irate with ignorance. |
Well, I got banned from the ULC.net forums because I posted the truth there. Somehow the administrators there can not handle that. They said I was an 'American basher'. |
Isn't ULC where everyone is getting their ministry certification from?
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Yes it is. The ULC has changed a whole lot (and NOT for the beter) since Rev. Hensley passed away.
Btw, I have emailed the ULC headquarters once about ULC.net being contrary to the basic principles of Founder Hensley and all I got as a reply was that ULC.net is independent and their views do not represent the official ULC.
That made me wonder about the integrety of that organisation in the whole to be honest. I find it rather deceiving to call that site 'ULC.net' while it is run by narrow sighted idiots who ban every single voice that doesn't comply with their own personal (Xtian-puritan) views.
In the time I was a member there I have witnessed several blatant cases of banning people because of their views.
that dude murphslaw who runs the ulc.net forums is an ex militair who loves power and using it to dictate 'what's best for the ULC members' and if they don't like it they get banned.
Btw, our brother njweedman is banned there as well, and so are many other brothers and sisters who happen to be a little more progressive than 'allowed' and made the mistake of voicing themselves on the ulc.net forums.
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Yes it is. The ULC has changed a whole lot (and NOT for the beter) since Rev. Hensley passed away.
Btw, I have emailed the ULC headquarters once about ULC.net being contrary to the basic principles of Founder Hensley and all I got as a reply was that ULC.net is independent and their views do not represent the official ULC.
That made me wonder about the integrety of that organisation in the whole to be honest. I find it rather deceiving to call that site 'ULC.net' while it is run by narrow sighted idiots who ban every single voice that doesn't comply with their own personal (Xtian-puritan) views.
In the time I was a member there I have witnessed several blatant cases of banning people because of their views.
that dude murphslaw who runs the ulc.net forums is an ex militair who loves power and using it to dictate 'what's best for the ULC members' and if they don't like it they get banned.
Btw, our brother njweedman is banned there as well, and so are many other brothers and sisters who happen to be a little more progressive than 'allowed' and made the mistake of voicing themselves on the ulc.net forums. |
I had to qoute this whole thing because I thought it bared repeating before I comment. That being said, I'm tempted to be the "wolf in sheeps clothing" and go inside and learn more about them. They sound very hypocritical to me. Who knows, maybe I could use some of my former ultra-conservative xtian training to trip them up. 
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Bro Rodger Poole recommends "ULC Seminary" .... they seem to be more true to Hensleys' vision...
www.ulcseminary.org/
By fluke of circumstance....not to be confused with fluke of circumcision... I met Bishop Hensley back around 1981 when he was visiting Denver.
A very interesting man.
Ben
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