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Ferre
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject: Christians for Cannabis - Purpose? Reply with quote

To open this discussion, here's what I posted on their forums a couple of days ago...

Ferre on Christians for Cannabis Forums wrote:
What is the purpose of this website?

This is something I wonder since years. This website is like an abandoned house in the desert and it seems like no administrator ever bothers to respond to actualities or even bother to approve links that members add to the links section.

WHY is this site online? What is "Christians for Cannabis" ACTUALLY DOING FOR THE CAUSE??

Why do I fail to find a GOAL and a PURPOSE on this site?

WHY DOES CHRISTIANS FOR CANNABIS DOES NOT SUPPORT ANY CANNABIS BASED MINISTRIES!!! WHY DOES CHRISTIANS FOR CANNABIS NOT EVEN MENTION THE POSSIBILITY TO UNITE!!!

Please answer these questions, I'm de founder of THC Ministry Amsterdam and we work very hard to get some communication going with Christians for Cannabis but untill now with no success.

Why do you guys have this website if you don't even bother about what is happening around you?

Regards,

Ferre


Posted here:
http://christiansforcannabis.com/e107/forum_viewtopic.php?3.110

I posted that at Jan. 28 and untill today, no one has replied to that post.

For years now, I fail to see what that site or organisation is contributing to the internet that isn't available anywhere else, or is doing for Christians who use Cannabis.

Do I miss something? Is it just me? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:26 pm    Post subject: Christians f-o-r Cannabis, or? Reply with quote

Ferre wrote, "For years now, I fail to see what that site or organisation is contributing to the internet that isn't available anywhere else, or is doing for Christians who use Cannabis.

Do I miss something? Is it just me?"

Aloha. It's me, too, my Brother. I have sensed for years now that Jini, the Founder of Christians for Cannabis, does NOT - yet - realize that cannabis is the s-a-c-r-a-m-e-n-t of the early Hebrews and Christians in their holy anointing oil and is STILL and FOREVER the 'tree of life' mentioned in the Bible they respect so much. Why? I can't imagine how this can be missed, but, come to think of it, it took me a while to understand it, too.

Christians for Cannabis seems to be a place where Christians are only 'forgiven' for their use of Cannabis. It's so much more than that, in our opinion.

Maybe a gift of holy anointing oil for Jini might do the trick and 'release the yoke of her bondage', too. Hmmm... :-}

All the best,

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad you see that too. Man, they have so much potential to really DO something, to really make a difference, they are ranked high in the search engines and get a ton of traffic and all they do is waiste all that, and point people to NORML, who are the same kind of energy obsorbers and leeches on the efforts of real activists.

I simply don't get it, or it is purposed to slow down any movement? Perhaps it's that, the more I see I more I suspect faul play.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, still no replies at that site. I wonder why their forums are hidden for public. Are they ashamed of something?

Rolling Eyes

Maybe we should make a bid on their site, we could make it into a much more usefull tool to fight prohibition and serve Christians who use Cannabis than they have done the past years.

Maybe we should buy it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ferre wrote:
Maybe we should buy it.


Smart.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, today I received an answer at the Cannabis for Christians forums from Jini, she claims that the website is a "success" because it serves its purpose to give information. She doesn't realize that she is sending her visitors to NORML, who are doing everything they have in their power to sabotage our cause.

Anyone who has read the comments that NORML-chief agent St Pierre has given to the press about religious use of cannabis knows that he is "the enemy" and not on our side at all.

I have not answered her post yet, I know she means well and I don't want to give her a bad feeling, if you read her post you'll see that she hardly has any time for the site.

I do wish we can get to some sort of working together and I hope this will be the start for it, I also hope I wasn't too harsh on her, it's just the whole situation that had me frustrated a bit, like looking at a brandnew sportscar that is rusting away at the neighbours drive-in while you are a sportscar lover... something like that.


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Ferre-
I understand your frustrations. As the one person that maintains this site I am the only one that can answer your questions.

The purpose of this sight is to educate visitors as to what the war on drug users is really about. In that effort this site has been successful. I track all incoming and outgoing links and people are getting to the necessary information to make educacted choices.

In reference to links, I admit I am very cautious about llnks that are endorsed by this site. I mean you no offense, but coming from a conservative Christian background I am aware of what can invalidate the credibility of this site. There are many links that I have not included at this point, but I have been working on a friends page where links to sites such as THC Ministry will be included.

For a one person project, with no non profit status, no budget, no funding, I am extremely pleased with the impact CforC has made and give God the credit.

Additionally, I have been meaning to make my intro in the forum, but life continuously calls - five children, four of them teenagers, two of them homeschooled and a husband to tend to makes my availability somewhat limited. Add to that one phone line and one computer, and the success that CforC is is nothing less than a miracle to me - a mailing list with almost 500 subscribers, the new membership site with almost 150 members and national recognition from ABCnews.com, The WallStreet Opinion Journal, the mention by Jay Leno on the Tonight show and the hundreds of radio interviews leaves me no doubt that the site is making an impact.

I am sorry that you are dissatisfied with the lack of participation on my part, but I have purposely tried not to make this site about me, but about the issue, as it should be.

The forums are only available to the members of this site to avoid the many debates that occur on other forums.

I hope you continue to extend me grace that you feel that I do not deserve and continue to contribute to these forums.

love and peace,
-jini
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today I found an email from Christians for Cannabis in my mailbox, that was send out to all the forum members on that site.

It seems that I did manage to get her attention, but she seems to assume that my critics are "an attack".

Here is the email;

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Subject: C4C: CforC Under Attack

Greetings-
I normally would not bring this to the attention of the subscribers,
but I think it is important to bring this to light. It would seem,
Ferre of THC Ministries and Roger Christie of Hawaii Cannabis Ministry
have been discussing CforC and feel that it contributes nothing to the
Internet,or the cause and have even gone as far as to suggest making a
bid on the site. Ferre is also upset that I have not put up a link to
THC Ministries.

"Maybe we should make a bid on their site, we could make it into a much
more usefull tool to fight prohibition and serve Christians who use
Cannabis than they have done the past years. Maybe we should buy it."
-Ferre

Additionally, NORML is slandered and CforC is actually suspected of foul
play.

"...point people to NORML, who are the same kind of energy obsorbers and
leeches on the efforts of real activists.
I simply don't get it, or it is purposed to slow down any movement?
Perhaps it's that, the more I see I more I suspect faul play."

Below are the links to where it has been discussoned on THC Ministries
Forum and on ChristiansForCannabis.Com forum.
http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6208
http://christiansforcannabis.com/e107/forum_viewtopic.php?3.110#117

I have my own opinions on this subject, but I would sincerely like to
know how you feel about these topics. Please responsed with whatever
comments/suggestions or criticisms you may have to offer.

love and peace,
-jini



Funny how she did read our boards, but desided to ignore my last post, above this one, in which I state that I whish we can work together.

Mobilizing the members against an "attack" is not very productive in my opinion, but let's see how this will develope.

BTW Jini, I am not upset that there is no link to the ministry, I am amazed that there are NO LINKS to any other religion that regards Cannabis as a sacrament. Are they too much "heathens" to link to?

I had a link to Christiansforcannabis on this .net site for years untill I didn't want to direct my visitors to a NORML supporter anymore, and found out that christiansforcannabis was not supporting any other religious groups whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Christians for Cannabis seems to be a place where Christians are only 'forgiven' for their use of Cannabis
Oh the old absorption from guilt thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After she send out that email to all the members, a few have replied, Jini did reply to those posts and desided to totally ignore me in that topic.

I hope to get some communication going soon, for now it's only a few people who come to defend her because of the "I'm attacked" message of her.

Funny that, she could be thankful that at least I draw some people to her forums, the most read forum post ever on those boards has only 60+ pageviews, and that's the topic I just started.

Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are finally evoking response, I just gave them some thoughts to mull over myself, as the post of one particular member somewhat disturbed me and illustrated just how little CoC in its current form is doing to promote and share information actually related to the topic of cannabis in Christianity.

Perhaps we should calm the waters a bit though, and see what happens, as this could lead to a beautifull partnership, or a flame war that would cause nothing but harm to both our oraganizations. I have the utmost respect for you brother Ferre, you know that, but perhaps we should give the admin some time so that cooler heads may prevail. I take great inspiriation from Roger in situations like this, 'lets find the blessings in this'.

Peace and love,
Rev. Brian
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are right brother Brian. I'll go back into my normal gentle mode.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately they seem content to offer no useful content, and I don't really see the use in continuing dialog with them. The answer to the first post is clear:

"What is the purpose of the website"
To provide links to information that can be found on any other pro-cannabis site.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you are right.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"Maybe we should make a bid on their site, we could make it into a much more usefull tool to fight prohibition and serve Christians who use
Cannabis than they have done the past years. Maybe we should buy it."
-Ferre


I wonder how much the price has gone up since this topic was started?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I do know that their forum has had more pageviews for that one topic in four days than their entire forum has received since it started.

(I checked)

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