Child immunization & vaccination

**aeroplane** · Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: Child immunization & vaccination

Good day everyone,

It's time for my wife & me to take our baby daughter her first for those questionable I & V shots. Years before I thought of having children, I know I read about the dangers of the meds used for immunization & vaccination (such as the use of metals in the sirum). But now I can't find the medical evidence questioning the benefits of I&V. I also read about alternative drugs that contain no metals, but again I cannot find it.

Ironically, many of the links I've found are dead.

Can anybody point me in the right direction? Your help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Brother aero
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**Ferre** · Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:28 am Post subject:

Difficult subject. The vaccines we got when we were kids are not the same vaccines our kids get today. I guess that best is to dig into the subject and I would start here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy
http://www.virology.net/
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccines.htm
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**Torkel** · Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:13 am Post subject:

OMG brother aeroplane, boy does this subject really get my blood pumping, and for good reason.

My wife & I had a son in 1993, who could recite the alphabet, even backwards @16 months old. We and everyone that met our son was simply amazed at his intellect and sense of humor...

until he came back from a routine doctor visit getting the measles, mumps and rubella shots! Twisted Evil

Those bastard pharmaceutical co's used a preservative called "thimerosal", (mercury) in the vaccines. Helps increase their profits.
Thimerosal is still used even in some children's vaccines whether they admit it or not.

I don't have any workable links atm; however search for thimerosal, autism or Robert Kennedy, Jr., and it will shed some light on this subject.

Don Quixote · Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject:

i dont envy you for the decision you have to make.brother Torkels heartbreaking post shows the terrible dilema all young parents have to face about vaccination and immunisation.

it is a terrible thing when you have to worry about doctors and medicines doing harm to the people you love.

i am not a parent so i have no experience of this torment.below are some links from a varity of sources which might cover the spectrum of different opinions.Brother Ferre's links seem to the most informed and un-biased .

all the best to you and your family brother , i hope this helps.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/mmr2.htm
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio2.htm
http://www.vaclib.org/basic/smallpoxindex.htm
http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/mercury.html - mercury , thimerosal
http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/health/mmr.html
http://www.alternative-doctor.com/vaccination/ploys.htm
http://www.alternative-doctor.com/downloads.htm - factsheet.alternative vaccinations.
http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm

PEACE.

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jessica · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject:

Well, I for one got both my daughter and son vaccinated. Out in this area there has been outbreaks of TB, Whooping Cough, and Polio is a worry again. When everyone in the population is immunized against a disease then it will be good prevention, however if someone is not immunized and comes in contact with the germ it can take hold and eventually through its course mutate into something that we didn't vaccinate against. I understand your concern, but History has proved the effectiveness of Vaccines. Any argument would come from someone who never had to see Polio take hold of America almost a century ago. Or the children in Africa begging for the very same vaccines we are conversing about in this forum. Sure there are mistakes, side effects, and evildoers, but that is not why most folks choose the Medical community. My first "Booster Shot" the nurse made a mistake and the needle shattered. They couldn't find all of the pieces. There is still good medicines, good Doctors, and good Nurses. Regardless of your choice I pray your child is happy and healthy always.
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sara · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 29 May 2003 Posts: 448

my choice was not to vaccinate my kids.
I have given it lots of thoughts and I think that when a baby immune system
is not yet developed I will not do anything preventive beside good care.
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**Torkel** · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject:

jessica · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject:

Wow! I tried to choose my words carefully so that I would not offend, apparently that is impossible. Peace. Embarassed

I will not bother your forum again.
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indicaspice · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject:

If I had to do it over I would not have my children immunized either. Of course then they wouldn't be able to attend public school, but that wouldn't be a deterrent.
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Don Quixote · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject:

hey Jessica !dont be offended.Torkel didnt mean any harm.this is just a VERY painful subject for many people and we are all pretty plain speaking people on here.

anyway we need intelligent people like you and Torkel on here.

i think it was Ferre who pointed out that vaccines have changed since we were young and i have to admit , there are too many question marks above these 'combination ' vaccines.

my mother was a nurse and my dad was working in the labs. back when there were polio and TB outbreaks in england and what they describe is hard to imagine.the only way to eradicate any disease is pro-actively.you have to hunt it down and destroy it (isolation) AND deny it the ability to find new hosts.(by vaccination)

the problem comes when you get greedy pharma-corps cutting corners and putting thing like mercury and other heavy metals in these vaccines.or when they vaccine contains a 'permitted' number of live organisms.pumping live diseases into babies is a bad thing in my book.

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**Ferre** · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject:

Yeah, things have indeed changed, I remember getting my anti-polio vaccine when I was a kid and it wasn't injected, it was a drop of some stuff on a sugar cube that we had to eat.

Today the number of "combined" vaccines has quadrupled and you really need to be very informed on what exactly they (want to) inject your children with.
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**Torkel** · Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:29 am Post subject:

**aeroplane** · Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:42 am Post subject:

Hi everyone. First I would like to thank everyone for your input (keep it coming, I'm still trying to decide what to do). Second, I would like to thank the ladies for also participating. I was beginning to feel like our forum was becoming a bit too unbalanced with the testosterone/estrogen ratio. Laughing

I understand brother Torkel's anger, but it not was pointed at you Jess. Don't you believe he has a right to be angry over the deception used for I&V (immunization & vaccination)?

Only as recently as 1999 did many countries ban the use of Thimerosal (a mercury based preservative that has been linked to autism) in I&V's. However, since Jess mentioned 3rd world countries, it is important to note that heavy metals are still being used in their vaccines. My personal medical doctor (who also practices alternative medicine) is very much against immunization before the age of 5.

Other metals are still used in our vaccines as well. For example, aluminum. Why are we injecting our children with metals and viruses? Mecury was banned from child thermometers about 25 years ago in the US, but injecting it wasn't banned until 1999???? Sense make not does that.

I am not a gambler. If the odds are 1:1,000,000 that my child might become autistic from something that is supposed to prevent an illness, those odds are not good enough for me. Unfortunately, the odds are not even that good. My sisters worked for a state run hospital that specialized in caring for autistic children. In a community of 5,000 there were over a hundred of autistic children. IMHO those odds suck!

I recommend that every with children or about to have children should read this article from Rolling Stone, here's just an excert.

Don Quixote · Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject:

brother Aeroplane

i seem to recal that an isolated , small , group of Mormons was forced to vaccinate their kids.i cannot remember the vaccine used or name of the community as i am recaling this from memory.

anyway , a series of childhood illnesses started popping up and i distinctly remember cases of autism suddenly appearing in large numbers.

the study was used to as ammunition against the new pharma-corp combined MMR jabs.Even though the news report accused the Mormons of 'inbreeding' , most people (with an I.Q. bigger than their hat size) realised that the cause of these diseases sudden appearance was the vaccines and not inbreeding.

i have tried to find stuff about this community and their story but i cant . if anyone else can ??? please post here.

all of our paid , corporate representatives , or M.P.s and ministers as we call them , refused to poison their kids with this crap , but were on T.V. every night promoting it.

what the didn't tell anyone is that there were older , single , vaccines which were known to be perfectly safe and had been used for years.
What brother Ferre said here is true.i remember those old polio vaccines , and i think these pharma-corps are only marketing their latest 'money spinner'.

there are alternatives , both natural and pharmaceutical.

brother , i do not envy you your choice.i wish you and your family all the very best and i am sure it will work out right whatever you decide.

PEACE

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jessica · Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject:

Thank you, for your words Torkel and aeroplane. I admit this is the first I have heard of the vaccines, I mean I just included the steroids, antibiotics, the genetic engineering, and all of these wonder pills, in the Poison category. I mean the basic concept of vaccines, is pretty straightforward, I guess unless your priorities of helping others is lower in your mind than the Bottom Line. I guess I have been lucky, I have had 4 complete series of shots required by the US Government, because they lost my records more than once. When I was a kid we lived in Saudi Arabia and South Africa with other countries in-between, we were always getting shots. I remember getting sick with some, but the worst was the Anthrax series, I still have a little knot in my arm and the shot was in 2000. My husband actually had a little black square chip looking thing come out of his arm after a shot once, he told me the kid giving it to him didn't know what is was.
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