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john s revealer
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BROTHERS AND SISTERS HERE IS A PETITION FOR PROTECTING OUR RIGHT TO THE SACRAMENT OF CANNABIS PLEASE GO THERE AND SIGN http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/892482048
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CaptDoug
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Ferre
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Signatures: 135
Goal: 5,000,000
Deadline: 12-2-2006
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RevErikM
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Isn't that the same Rev. Meyers hosting the petition as the one from whom's case the religious Meyers test came?
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Ferre
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That Meyers test is an idiocy. Only in a backwards country like the USA this could be set up as a reference point to judge a religion.
All that this Meyers test does is compare religions with the major overall tenets from the main, politically correct, religions and only when they can be compared (read= only when a religion applies to the main tenets) the American justice system will 'approve'
It's totally insane and holds no rational grounds whatsoever.
Shamans have no scriptures, no buildings they call temples, no believe in men being holy, no gods, Shamans just 'ARE' and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.
Every sincere Shaman will flunk the Meyers test, simply because that test is totally inadequate, in fact, the fact that the USA uses this test only proves it is a backwards nation.
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Rev. Jack
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RevErikM
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Shamans have no scriptures, no buildings they call temples, no believe in men being holy, no gods, Shamans just 'ARE' and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.
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Heh, yeah, that Meyers test is pretty stupid - and it's difficult to gauge what makes a religion and what doesn't because of the differing opinions on just what constitutes a religion. In response to what you listed, though...
Shamanism is a completely unorganized religion, where the title of Shaman is assumed by the Shaman and not gifted upon him/her by another, due to their experiences with the Spirit world. It isn't possible to have a church hierarchy with Shamanism, though we may take students from time to time; hiearchy in rituals is a completely different story. One of the reasons there's no organization in Shamanism is we're a paranoid lot because on the one hand we're physically healing people and defending them against hungry spirits, and on the other hand we're devouring spirits ourselves and launching spiritual offenses against those that offend us, and some of us even launch spiritual-into-physical offenses against those who's powers we wish to sap. (Details of this are presented in my book, which are obscured, because they're not for the stupid...I'm not for handing cocked and loaded handguns to spider monkeys.)
Shaman's can't possibly have a physical, material scripture for a couple of reasons. First off, none of us that I know of believe that language, be it verbal or written, is anywhere near adequate to convey experience. You can only convey portions of the experience at a time, and the sum of descriptions doesn't add up to the whole of the experience. Not only that, but what do we need some material record for, that will waste away anyways? We can connect with the Universal Consciousness and derive direct experience from it, when we are in the proper state of spiritual acceptance.
Material items and places can only remain sacred/holy as long as we determine to keep them that way - it isn't the material appearance or location that makes the place holy (though there are wells of ether set up by the natural transference of terrestrial and cosmic ether) it's the Will of the Shaman binding the forces into the material at that point which makes it holy. Thus, our sacred spaces do not exist on this physical plane or point of time, and it's possible for us to "bend" space around our spiritual selves so we can stand spiritually on multiple physical locations at the same time. When I'm harnessing power, for example, I seek out several of the most powerful ether-wells in the area and ripple the ether so their output all moves through me. When I'm doing this, the area encompassed by my spiritual "bubble" is sacred, but when I stop, it's no longer sacred because the thing making it sacred has left.
And to cover the part about men being holy and gods...well, to me, the word "holy" means to be at the point where all things are one, and god means the point where all things are one. At times I'm holy and one-with-god, and at other times I'm consumed by emotions, which allow me to create. Once again, the severe limitations of language are expressed here in my inability to properly convey my experiences to others - and "holy" and "god" most certainly bring forth differing ideas in the minds of those who hear or read me speak those words, which is why a lot of my writings seem exceedingly redundant.
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Ferre
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Hehhe, I'm glad that at least you know how to word it, I usually can't find the proper words to express what you just did. I also think that when you ever get the chance to come to Amsterdam we definately need to hook up and share some experiences.
Every year at the summer solstice many of us gather in a remoted nature area near Amsterdam for four days and we combine our energy during those days, I'm sure you would feel at home there.
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RevErikM
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If I'm ever able to travel to Amsterdam, I'll let you know. I'd much rather spend my time with other shaman than bounce between coffee shops and museums, lol
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