Bush Is About To Attack Iran: Why Can’t Americans See It?

stavros · Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:48 am Post subject:

Nice post.

The majority do see it. But the majority voted last november and so far have gotten nothing that wasn't politics as usual.

I wish for no mans death .... so for now I'd settle for an impeachment.

Peace to all

Nachtschattenreich · Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject:

I wonder whether they had this map at the Davos meeting.

I for one do not believe that the power lust of the Persian theocracy would suddenly cease when it achieved regional domination, as they seem to do in Davos.

Does this writer take into account that Persia itself says America can cause no damage?

What do you suggest to do about these missiles?

PS: In other news, 14 killed during drug trafficking sting in Iran

john s revealer · Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:

One of my fiends on athoer site was just reactivated and has to report to Ft.Bragg this week. He also beleives this build up is a ruse to invade Iran My Friend is SF green beret and says that he wont even be in uniform he is replacing a guy who has been there for two years living in an Iraqi village as one of the natives.
I recently did some disturbing reading at http://www.outlawjournalism.com/
site that states the republican lead congress approved of the use of tactical nukes as a safe alternitive for use against Iran over four years ago. GW, Bush has little credibility after his deception of WMDs in Iraq. An the American People are fed up. But we have no legal way to Remove this power mad individual as President And amilitary coop is not fesible with out a total colaspes of the Goverment
Our only recourse is in the court of public aapeals and the Growing antiwar sentiment is growing. Sadam Husein may have been a despot but his influence only affected his own people not the security of the entire world. but there are some who believe that Gw is trying to bring on Armagaddon. Let us pray this isnt so.

datboyc · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:59 am Post subject:

most likely America will attack everyone. Our President, kinda has this thing where he is, well he's above the law.

I know, you say no cuz of all the checks and ballances, and blah blah blah.

he can do what he wants, and who is really going to stop him? That's right, until someone stands up and tells us we can't and then has the go-nads to enforce their word, then the prez will do what it is he does. It might seem like americans dont know what is going on. But we do! Our problem is that the government keeps us from really having a say in what happens to our nation. The deal is, our government is full of killers. We can do about as much as any one person (with little to no political or financial influences) from another country can do.

we live here, and we give them lots of our money. In return we get privilages, like no armed military shooting in our streets, or we can give them more of our money and do them favors, like strengthing the economy, and then end up oweing even more money and being in poverty!

Like stated above, i believe that as long as you are not hindering anyone else from doing what makes them happy, then there's no problem. The government hinders me from being happy, even though i am not doing anything to hurt/hinder anyone else. If anything I'm trying to help, by growing something that produces breathable air, relaxes one from a days stress, and lightens mood (among many other things).

but yeah, it wouldn't supprise me if we used weapons that did unimaginable damage to people and land alike. When placing a bullit in a 4" square over a mile away, became something that most people can do I lost hope in not having an extreamly violent war. The only thing that concerns me, is that there is a posiblilty that it might be a civil war. That is unless this government can make some logical decisions, not ending in death!

Johnny J · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:33 am Post subject:

stavros · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:18 am Post subject:

Johnny J

Rant with me about the perils of the world.

America needs to learn to take care of itself. What right do we have to tell the world how to run a nation into the ground like we have let it be done to ourselves. Those within the threat and those outside should be carefull. Harm no person. Teach.

Sometimes the optimist.

Peace to all

Nachtschattenreich · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject:

Well I hope you have found my location on this map...

I think the main reason why this crisis is not entirely an internal development of the Old World is because we share a single oil market. The OPEC cartel includes member states from both hemispheres. A Monroe Doctrine is not an option these days.

Persia must ratify the Additional Protocol to the Nonproliferation Treaty. This would create a permanent legal basis for IAEA inspections as in any normal country. The Additional Protocol to the Nonproliferation Treaty is more important than the Kyoto Protocol at this point.

Like oil , uranium resources are limited. If it does not change its current plans, Persia will again make itself vitally dependent of an energy source that is naively expected to last forever while in fact it may only last a few decades in planless or some centuries in reasonable consumption. Why would somebody make the same mistake twice?

An interesting detail about the Persian missile tests is that they are presented as a spiritual endeavour.

Nachtschattenreich · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject:

And one more thing about the impeachment issue. The last German chancellor Gerhard "I won't click my heels for Bush" Schröder has impeached himself two years ago. He had got enough, and is now happily clicking his heels for Putin.

The German supreme court in Karlsruhe had to judge the issue and decided that a German chancellor is allowed to impeach himself because such a choice is "of a prognostic nature". If the pilot thinks leaving the ship was the wisest choice he may do so.

You can view the result here.

Bubba · regular contributor Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

Like I have been telling people before 9/11!
Afgan, Iraq then I had a toss up between Iran, North Korea, Somalia.....
It all comes down to are we going to EVER get this President out of Office.
Americans say yes its his last term!

Lets go down a scary hypothetical journey for a min ok.

We invade Iran, while in Iraq and Afgan. Our forces are getting spread thin...We have to call up the Draft again!
Then the worst happens, a Terrorist Attack in America... On the scale that the President calls for Martial Law. If you do not know about Martial Law please look it up! As long as Martial Law is Declared there is no Elections, there is no REMOVAL of the President!

"The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion; the public Safety may require it."

We would be in a world of hurt if Habeas Corpus was suspended!

Bubba

Johnny J · Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:47 am Post subject:

In some ways we are already living under a form of martial law.

Despite all the screaming and shouting, Bush has never relinquished his right to survey telephone conversations AND e-mails. Whatever communication he decides is in the national interest, he can look at it. Remember, he said "he's the Decider."

Any American CITIZEN can be detained for a long as he wants, without cause, WITHOUT Habeas Corpus, once he's deemed by him to be an "enemy combatant." That's what the Jose Padilla case was all about.

For instance, I might be considered an enemy combatant for posting this message. Son of Sam gets to find out who wrote this, in the name of national security, and then he gets to "deem" me to be an "enemy combatant." He's the "decider."

Good thing we don't live in a dictatorship.

Best Regards,

!!jOhnNy J!!

Nachtschattenreich · Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject:

The fragility of the world calm (dare I call it peace?) works out differently for different cultures.

European culture is a bit like the old man who goes his used ways, ignoring many of the severe threats in the situation as well as his own defenselessness.

American culture is more like the young man who pumps his chest and brags how he will clean it all up, more to convince himself than to impress others.

Is the political culture these days safer than at the time of the Reichstag fire? When the Nazis used the Marinus van der Lubbe incident to construct a Communist conspiracy, this convinced everybody else that there had been a Nazi conspiracy. There are echoes of these events in the geopolitical discourse up to the current day.

One point in this complex situation is that you, gentle reader, may be some government agent on the job, and will now wonder what to make out of this little Shamanic conversation. Haha, if government agencies collect their information intake in such a primitive way, they will end up coloured all over like the kid which has pinched the blackberries. Embarassed

Nachtschattenreich · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: Update

Here is an example how the leaked High Representative memo is discussed by Bush voters: Too late to stop...?:

Johnny J · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:45 am Post subject:

That forum is a good sampling of how many Americans think. It reflects an insularity from and ignorance of the global community.

Yours,

!!JoHnNyj!!

Nachtschattenreich · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject:

The mindset that caused the U.S. parliament (Senate) to deny the ratification of the climate control treaty is also present in Persia where it causes the parliament (Majilis) to deny the ratification of the additional protocol to the NPT.

In the Tehran Statement of 2003 there was a declared diplomatic intention: "The Iranian Government has decided to sign the IAEA Additional Protocol and commence ratification procedures." Yet the local media explain it was a bargaining chip:

"The implementation of the additional protocol to the NPT before its approval by the Iranian Parliament was a bargaining chip given to Iran's nuclear officials by MPs who favor a rational settlement of the issue. This privilege remains in the hands of parliamentarians, who can change their decision if Europe wavers in its commitments."

Insularity and ignorance indeed are good words to describe the mentality present in such decisions.

A significant difference between the two cases, the U.S.A. never pretended they would implement Kyoto.