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rainbowbeamer
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Brother Adam
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All you need is to posess the full ministry sanctuary kit so that you can fully understand how this ministry works, and be able to share that meening in the proper way with others. All the other stuff is not necessary. You don't need any tax id's or have to do any filing. That's what religious freedom is all about. You don't have to ask to form a church. That is not the IRS or the govt's business at all. You just need to know all the things that make this ministry what it is. Get a full sanctuary kit from Roger and get recruiting. What are you waiting for? 
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rainbowbeamer
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IntrepidEZJ
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
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This has always been my beef here, and I am not the least bit afraid to be vocal about it.
This ministry is a wonderful invention.
It has potential, and a diversity, that is simply un-matched by other religions.
Yet, as an organized, cohesive group, we fail miserably.
There are no clear guidelines on how to get things started.
There is no "action" plan, so to speak.
We are not shaking the foundations with the power that we possess.
You can not tell me, with an organized, cohesive effort, that we could not raise more money than a Catholic or Christian church!
Does that sound absurd?
Perhaps it does.
But, consider this.
Of all the issues on the table between Conservatives and Liberals, there is one issue that many of them CAN and DO agree on.
Cannabis is not harmful.
As for the religious side of things, they simply need to be educated, and have it intertwine with their current belief systems.
Much evidence exists on these very boards, proving that Cannabis is deeply entrenched with spirituality and religion.
I would like, very much, for this ministry to be the dagger.
Instead, it seems more like a limp penis, that is in some need of stimulation.
Feel free to agree or disagree with me, as I do this in the spirit of evoking some thought. |
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Stokes
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
Joined: 28 Nov 2004
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Location: PA
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: |
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I would like, very much, for this ministry to be the dagger.
Instead, it seems more like a limp penis, that is in some need of stimulation.
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That's halarious!
Don't sweat it, bro ... we stiffen up every now and then. 
You just gotta remember, there's alot more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye ... I think ... I mean ... I hope.
Well anyway, I'm sticking around for the orgasm.
So if it happens when I'm 80, that means we only have 38 more years to wait. No really, the best part about being a minister here is the fact that we're already protected by law.
That alone is cause for celebration. Although, as someone who's raised your issue in the past, I can definitely sympathize with you. But I've learned to see it in a somewhat less urgent way.
Over all, I think we're making steady progress ... be patient, Rome wasn't built in a day.
highest regards,
Stokes
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RogerChristie
Cannabis Sacrament Minister.
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
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Location: Hilo, Kingdom of Hawai'i
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: Hungry for progress? Become a "supporting member" |
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Hello everyone,
"It's not a debt that you owe, it's a seed that you sow."
Let's get it up and get it on and sew some seed! We've got a garden to grow here.
Aloha. Thanks for this thread of questions, suggestions and your passion for effective answers. You're right, we need to rock the house!
For those of us who are in need of a measurable and long-lasting "upgrade" of our spiritual freedom and ministry success I have one new way to help get us there faster. It's about nurturing a growing ministry that can 'perform' effectively when called upon, and it's pretty simple. It's an upgrade called being a "supporting member" and it consists of automatically donating $10. per month to our ministry.
We now have an easy way for most of our members to be supportive and helpful to grow this ministry. Please take a look at our new Supporting Member donation page and join it today. Let's use the compounding factor of ministry offerings and get this show on the road.
As a way of blessing you for your offering, the first 100 Supporting Members will each receive a hand-woven hemp fabric prayer shawl from Nepalese Cannabis, the highest in the world. Each "prayer wear" Minister's shawl has "THC Ministry" and green Cannabis leaves custom embroidered on them. (Photos available at another location on this website.) Shawls will be shipped as soon as supporter number 100 signs-up. Mahalo for your help!
http://thc-ministry.org/index1.htm
All the very best to you,
Roger
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rainbowbeamer
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datboyc
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I'm sure one day things might evolve into something along the lines of what you'r talking about. All the examples and things your asking about cannot just "BE" that way. Things will happen just as they should for this community. If you would like, I am positive that Roger and everyone else would be pleased to look over anything that you might want "offer" the ministry. Be it guidelines, a heirarcy chart of some kind, or whatever else your heart would like to see happen.
I have reciently purchased the ministers kit (still waiting, but it has only been a few days) and I had been peeking around for some time before that. When I first saw it I thought it was some group that had no legitamicy. Boy was I wrong!!!!! Within 5 min. of looking, my mind was convienced, and I strove to learn more before making the commitment to myself. This group is as big as you want it to be. After all this is a religion, and in my mind, you should never have to "advertise" in attempts to gain mass followings. Just as they have since the beggining of time, let it happen by "word of mouth". This will provide the strongest foundation for us to be established perminatly in history.
Being patient now, means, never having to wait ever again once we are finished.
I think Roger, and all those who came before me, have done a wonderful job. I for one will not try and fix something that isn't broke.
hang arround and keep faith with our leaders, learn more about all of your natural rights and how to use them. I am sure somewhere along the way you will "feel the need" to pass the information you learn here on to others you meet in life. |
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rainbowbeamer
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RogerChristie
Cannabis Sacrament Minister.
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
Posts: 1098
Location: Hilo, Kingdom of Hawai'i
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: We have a Federal injunction to finish and much more to do |
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Hello everyone,
Aloha Mr. Rainbowbeamer man and friends. Thanks for your critique and the suggestions. Yes, I suppose it is like a commercial, but it's not for commerce. It's a small step to ask of you and everyone. It's optional, not mandatory. It's to forward this ministry to serve more people in a higher way than ever before. What's not to like about that?
In my opinion, we need to re-file our Federal injunction ASAP. I've had it re-written and it's a very powerful tool for our entire ministry - and more - to benefit from. To me to re-file will be at least a few thousand dollars to just start the process. (Anyone have that to donate now?) A lawyer might charge about $15,000.+ * Thanks to those of you who contributed to this cause last year. *
It would also be righteous to be able to pay - at least - Ferre's expenses and help to open us a real THC Ministry in Amsterdam where our ministry is already legal. (Do you like some part, or all of this idea, Ferre?)
You make a good point, too. I'm probably more intuitive than linear in my thinking and in the guiding of this ministry. For linear-minded people it might be pretty strange to reason along with me some times.
Do you have any mission statement beyond turning life/home into religous practise or beating a stuck in their ways, very hostile, murderous government FBI and DEA, Local Cop (the protector-not) et. al?
*** I have thought and felt for decades, and still do, that helping to turn people's homes into spiritual sanctuaries for Cannabis, recognized by all levels of government, would of itself build a steadily-growing spiral of powerful 'mana' in an infinite number of individuals all over the world resulting in its own glorious reward. ***
How about a established hiarchy or road to success for individuals or groups, records off accounts to review how funding is applied, definitions of rank like parishioner to minister and what to hope to accomplish at those levels interacting with these people.
Let's see; that would only be peyote and ayahuasca, yes? "An established road to success." Hmmm ... I've been thinking all along that we're the ones making the road! Is there an established route I've missed? Some would say it's in the Bible, for instance. I wonder...
The funding transparency is smart to do. Rank and duties? ??? That's a possible step to take. * Anyone out there (besides you, Mr. Beamer) want to earn a ministry rank and carry-out a ministry mission, or duties?
Where is a church directory. Like to find one on Oahu. Need security and Sancuary and Sacrament.
I can help you with some of that request on Oahu. Let's talk.
I feel like these ministrys are clubs of some kind not open houses of the Holy. People always seeking but finding just business hour type treatments.
Well, yeah. We're just opening the door to Cannabis liberty, my friend. There is work to do and progress to make. As far as I know, the only THC Ministry building and real life sanctuary open to members and to the public is mine here in Hilo. All others are private homes not open to the public, yet.
I thought that we would be much more able by now to fund projects and legislation, etc., etc. with kit orders, grants, donations, offerings and tithes. It has NOT happened that way. That's my inspiration for the new 'commercial' for steady, monthly donations from all of you. It's a very simple, easy and practical method to measure the "support" for this ministry - by its own members. By the way, have you signed-up, yet? If yes, then I sincerely thank you. If not, why not? I'd really like to know.
Sacrament is $400-$600 an ounce blackmarket. How is the fight (do not want to be dragged into fight-evil wins again) blackmarketteers in conjunction with the govermnent doing behind the scenes?
I'm thinking that you want to know where you can find some free Cannabis in your neighborhood, right? If only it were so.
It makes me think that prohibitionists, and those who benefit from prohibition, both want it to continue, yes? At virtually any horrible social cost, obviously. Sad.
Where does a section 8 apartment dweller or any other go to grow own Sacrament. Indoors at huge expense. What is the real cost per gram to produce. Outdoor starts the rip off thing.
Get a kit, build your defense as we recommend, apply to the government agency in charge for a "religious exemption" for Cannabis sacrament and be prepared to stand for the fight. If you can handle this action, great. If not, please donate more to me here so that I can do the job I've been working on for all of us and you don't have to do.
Or what does a leading ministry do or any ministry do to supply the Sacrament to those that for lack of better term NEED IT for emotional balance or releif from the bummer mentality of continuous exposure to money serving people and governments.
I hear you, my friend. Your prayer is at least partly answered in the positive. This ministry, through me, provides all kit-holding members with the option of ordering and receiving Cannabis sacrament in the form of holy anointing oil and sacramental tincture. As far as I know, I'm the only person in the USA (possibly the world?) providing this service for you. Our next service to you will be seeds and sacrament itself, with private, door-to-door delivery. It can be a beautiful world.
The church is a rallying point in my mind. But not open 24/7, just stays with in a budget so to say. Any church that closes is a joke. God does not have reduced hours or expects to get the job done in current terms of no money, no nothing. Barter was the former exasmple of no money service. Money was a ok idea until it became God and interestingly enough a perfect design to corrupt and steal before it provides sancuary.
Kind of smart and kind of crazy ideas, and equally smart and crazy comments. I think money is a pretty terrific human invention. the distribution needs some work, but the idea is brilliant. How many cows do you want to bring to the airport to trade or barter for a simple airline ticket to the mainland?
Money. I like it. Please show me a better way if you know of one, to trade. If people were truly compassionate and loved each other more we would take better care and life would be spectacularly fine to live for all.
I, not sure anymore that spirituality is real, just a ploy to seperate people even more.
In my opinion, spirituality is really real and is just 'there', or 'here', for us to notice and play with, or not. We're spiritually connecting right here, right now, by the way. Religion, on the other hand, brings the ploys and the many other human actions that both works for some people and doesn't work for others. At least they try to advance the human condition, and in many cases they succeed.
Feel pretty rambly here. Appreciate it if a better writter can pick it up from here and get to the bottom of what I'm try to convey.
Eloah Rabammnah Ohulawi'i
Any Patriots left or just Pay Tree Idiots, even in the churchs, due to moneys long standing presence in the world, that is wicked because of it, it being the acquisition of money as prelude to power and prestige imballances in whatever guise instead of peace on earth through equality as a goal not real justice and sancuary for life on earth.
You ramble about mostly thoughtful things, I must say. Thanks.
As to the money thing you're so critical of, may I remind you that you are the recipient of a free and very amazing 1-2-3 Kit and a free bottle of authentic, kaneh bosm holy anointing oil. If there's a better deal on this planet for a man desperately hungry for Cannabis sacrament and spirituality and connection please let me know of it.
And you're most welcome, too. Enjoy!
Love, Roger
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rainbowbeamer
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Ferre
Cannabis Sacrament Minister.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, with all respect, but chill out. looking at your reactions you totally misunderstand Roger and this ministry
For one, we are not an activists organisation, second, we can only do what we can with the means available and that's what we are doing.
Third, building takes time and the effort of many people, we achieved a lot in only a few years and we do realize we still have a long way to go but your whining doesn't help us one little bit.
Don't forget that it took other religions some 2000 years to get where they are today, we are young and still developing, please realize this before you critisize what's not done yet.
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rainbowbeamer
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Rev. Jack
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject: The ministry |
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namasta rainbowbeamer and all
We understand your frustration, remember that in the mortal realms ideals grow expontially while ablity to achieve ideals grow arithmeticly.
8 months ago I started vounteering at [url]http://www.regulatemarijuana.org
[/url] 2months ago I went to work as a full time canvasser.
we had our 6th weekly gathering last sunday with 15 attendees, today we have one grower next week we will have 3 and are working on getting 2 more up and running. Each has commited 1/3 of there grow to HAO.
In the last 3 weeks I have introduced at least 10 people to Cantheism while canvassing.
I know what Rev. Roger is going through, so much to be done so few resources to do it with. But like the sacred herb good things take time to germenate, then to grow (vegitate) then to mature. I can attest to Rev. Roger's generosity Last year our family of 4 tax return was $5000 over poverty level. Roger sent me a 1-2-3 kit at his own expence and has done so for, i believe "majority of the membership".
Rev. Roger knows as I do that many hands make light work. And that one only receives what one asks for. Jesus asked for the support of his apostles and those who believed but were not chosen for the ministry. and he shared the what he was given with all who were in need dispite their ability to financialy aid the ministry. Just like Roger.
Many have said Rev. Roger is a conman, if it is true he is the WORST conman of all time. He gives like rich men should on a poor mans budget.
I suggest you try to do some of what we have done for 6 months and return with your experiences to share. It is easy to lead a horse to water, it is quite another thing to make him drink. And still harder to cough up $10 a month. go and walk a mile in his shoes. |
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RogerChristie
Cannabis Sacrament Minister.
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Location: Hilo, Kingdom of Hawai'i
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: You misunderstood me, Rainbowbeamer |
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Aloha. I obviously need to be a better communicator. I apologize for hurting any of your feelings, it was not intended at all.
Anyone but ME ??? ZUP there ???
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What's up is that I wrote, " Anyone out there (besides you, Mr. Beamer) want to earn a ministry rank and carry-out a ministry mission, or duties?"
I meant that we already know that YOU obviously want rank and a purpose and I'm stoked that you do! I should have said anyone else in addition to rainbowbeamer who wants ... Sorry. No offense meant at all.
Your initial efforts in this ministry have been numerous and smart and pretty well-received by me and others. We like you here. I like you here. I think this ministry is good for you and you for it. Capiche?
I feel the 'scorpio' in your personality like I did in a former partner of mine. It was love, love, love, STINGER! Love, love, love, STINGER! Ouch! Plus, there might be another element of your life that is a wild-card for you and for others who deal with you.
I have some ministry connections for you on Oahu to fellowship and work and commune with. I'm on your side here and have proven myself to assist you in your times of need.
This cyber-world is an imperfect and amazing way of communicating, and we do our best with the technology at hand and our personal abilities.
Thank you for who you are and how you want to grow with us and personally. We're here for you.
Love and respect to you and everyone,
Roger
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