Becoming An "Ordained Minister"

Rev. Jack · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 242

Dearest Family

Namaste
This is subject I have been thinking about for a very long time. I have made mention of it in the past And it has come to a point that I must ask you to voice your opinion

It has been the practice to send new members to the ULC for ordination because of their victories in court. "THEY" do not support the Cantheist Movement, nor do they support the Sacramental use of Cannabis.

I believe it is disingenuous and foolish for us to depend on our "Good Standing" in a Church that does not support us or Our Beliefs.

The Right, the authority and the power to Ordain a person in most churchs is comes for 3 sources:
1)GOD wants you (see Saul/Paul and Jonah)

2)You want the job and have done the study and First Source says (see John the Baptist and the other old covenant prophets)

3)The ordained Minister or Ministers of a church confirm you want the job and have done the study and they do it.

Ok so maybe its 2 sources, maybe just One and we just bear witness to make it official.

My point is We are our Church. We should be the ones ordaining Our Ministers. Not someone else.

Sincerly
rev.jack

**RevErikM** · Shaman Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 235

It doesn't matter to me; ordaining in my viewpoint is little more than bestowing a title and recognition upon someone. I've met loads of ordained people in the xtian community who really touted their title of "reverend" or what-not and they didn't even really know or follow what they said they followed...(for instance, the church down the street has a sign up at the moment that says "seek ye first the kingdom of heaven in 2007," which makes me say, "WTF?" I'm not even a xtian and I know the verse says "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness;" there's a huge difference between the two kingdoms - you can't hit up the buffet bar in the kingdom of heaven until you're dead, but the kingdom of god is established while you live...lol...so what they're saying to me is "let's hurry up and kill ourselves/each other/earth so we can party at the river and get our treasure!")...but I can see your point here.

I think that before I can vote on this, I need to hear more information on what the point of even being ordained is...it just doesn't hold any value for me, personally, anymore.
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**Ferre** · Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject:

Well, since the ULC turned into a complete farce a couple of years ago I already turned my back on them. The members of the First Universal Church of Kantheism in Amsterdam do not need to be 'ordained', all they need is to BE. We have no Christian affiliation whatsoever and therefor also don't need to practise Christian based ordain processes.

Having said that, I do feel that if there has to be any ordaining going on within the THC Ministries, we are very well capable of doing that ourselves and don't need the ULC to 'give us credibility'.
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Stokes · Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject:

I was under the impression that becoming a Cannabis Sacrament Minister with the THC Ministry was an ordination process in and of itself. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Stokes
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Rev. Jack · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 242

The reason I bring this up is this Email forwarded to me by one of my parishener.

From: Roger Christie <rogerchristie@yahoo.com>
Date: January 8, 2007 1:41:51 PM PST
To: deborah .com>
Subject: Re: can't join online - :-}

Hello Debbie,

Aloha. Thanks for the heads-up about joining.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Our tech
guy knows of the problem and is having trouble fixing
it permanently.

I suggest you become ordained online for free at
www.ulc.org and then join the THC Ministry by ordering
our basic 1-2-3 Kit online for $50. That's the BEST
way to join because you receive our id cards, etc.

All the very best to you!

Roger Christie, Founder

THC Ministry

P.S. Please say high to Rev. Jack for me! Thanks.

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--- deborah @.com>
wrote:

Hi, Sorry to bother you.
When I try to join online I get an error message.
Reverend Jack Here in
Las Vegas sent me. Thank you Debbie

Rev. Jack · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 242

Dear Ferre and RevErikM

I agree with you both! One of the things I Love most about THC-M is that we understand that each person must come to the Universal Consciousness as they and only they can know is right. And we respect each others paths. While I, because of the Urantia Papers follow the teaching of Jesus, I have had the most wonderful experiences practicing what some would call, something I'd rather not say. Confused

The info at http://thc-ministry.org/practitioner.html points me to understand that a Minister/practioner of Cantheism is licenced to administer the Cannabis Sacrament. This is our legal foundation.

the term Reverend defined as:
1. (initial capital letter) (used as a title of respect applied or prefixed to the name of a member of the clergy or a religious order): Reverend Timothy Cranshaw; Reverend Mother.
2. worthy to be revered; entitled to reverence. vomito

3. pertaining to or characteristic of the clergy.

I personally take great pleasure in pointing out to people the real meaning is one who feels reverent to GOD/GODDESS i.e. whatever.
We use this word because it is accepted in the Matrix. I wish we had another term, maybe Gardener:lol: Such would require a near unanimous consensus.
Laughing

Thank you all for your input onthis important subject

**Ferre** · Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject:

**RevErikM** · Shaman Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 235

Rev. Jack, you put the tie that binds us together in a nutshell - and I think that I'll draft a piece on it to explain it in greater depth and pop it up here for everyone to review and comment on. I won't promise a time line on it though, I just started college again, and for the sake of financial aid, my gpa, and over-all success, that has to come first, lol.
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**Ferre** · Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject:

Yep, druids too. Very Happy

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**Brother Adam** · Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:04 am Post subject:

TashiDelta-9 · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 9

Ordination comes from recognition of Our Divine Nature. Humans need theatre though, to quantify and qualify.

The external form of how this was obtained, is Ultimately unimportant.

When one arrives on top of mountain out of the midsts of ignorance, the Glory dispels all the darkness.

When an individual Recognizes and Reveres Cannabis Sacrament as their means of Communion with their Divine Nature, the sickness of doubt Ends.

However, we live in a relative world. Where mazes of ignorance and sloth beget a need to regulate and verify authenticity, and empirical data and observation are arbitrarily and mandatorily necessary to perpetuate this madness.

So, Declare your State of Being, with unshakable Conviction and Trust in your true nature, the Divine Spark, and surf with the Big Kahuna, it's as simple as that.

Ordination Complete

We, THC-M, IMHO, must consider being supportive of our fellow members by recognizing their Ordination, in and of THC-Ministry without a need of out-sourcing Ordination as Reverends, etc.

Excellent thinking Rev. Jack Very Happy

Roger, what can be done about this which would be Legally Viable?

Rev. Jack · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 242

I am disapointed at only 7 votes.Please give a loving KICK IN THE ASS. to those who have not responded.

Has everyone read the new newsletter?
"Very exciting times" Tank to Neo from The Matrix I

TashiDelta-9, Ferre, RevErikM, David, Stokes:
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN,

"Ordination comes from recognition of Our Divine Nature"
I was ordained a quarter of a century ago, and have been playing Jonah until I came here to THC.

Druid, Shaman, Reverand, E.C., Shepherd, Pastor, Gardener etc. etc. etc. (not Priest I hope) We all work for the same Universe Consciousness.
And we will respect each other, cause "Love is the answer and you know that for sure" John Lennon party

datboyc · Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:05 am Post subject:

Howdie!

As much as I hate to have to bring it up I feel someone needs to bring up the long-term, possible, downside.

If we are made to ordain our own freely, without question, what is to stop people with "alterier motives" to become "Ordained Ministers" and could ruin our leit standing as a religion.

Oh I know, it pained me to type.

I doubt that we as a group would let that happen, but as long as I bring it up, my mind will be soothed of the doubt

RogerChristie

Yo howdy,

Aloha. Great roll here. Thanks for every input. It's Saturday and I'm just catching-up on the week's posts on this topic.

I'm reminded of, I think, Thomas Paine who (might have:) said something like, 'my own religion is inside of my own head'.

As far as I know, ordainment is the private and internal agreement one has or might have with their own concept of spirit. It's our unconscious and or conscious direction to go in life. It's our promise of service to God. Who do we choose to be? What do we choose to do while we're here? What's our purpose and how may we fulfill it?

Who are you and what are you doing here, anyway?

Who am I?

What am I doing here ... right now ... on planet Earth?

If you have one more day to live - how do you want to live it?
If you might have twenty more good years - what would you choose to do then?

Are you an ordained minister? "ORDAINED"? What does it mean?

Encarta World English Dictionary; From Latin, 'ordinare', to set in order.
Oxford Dictionary of World Religions says of ordination, "The conferral of office in a formal and often ritualized manner. Succession."

Examined and approved for higher service by one who is already on the path. Appointment by a church to carry-on the functions of celebrating the sacraments. Sometimes a laying-on of hands happens upon the newcomer. Often a ministerial gift, a symbol of office, is given to indicate the new role taken. A Bible, a ring, a staff ... a vaporizer?

I've most often thought that ordination is (y)our own personal agreement with spirit and only you get to define it. That's partly why I've guided people to the ULC all these years. They leave the deciding and navigating, the direction, to YOU as to what you do and where you go with 'it'. ???

[ The History Channel is playing the 'Anti-Christ' now on cable tv. So far, neither the narrator nor one scholar out of the many interviewed has mentioned that the word 'anti' translates simply as 'against', and 'Christ' as 'anointed'. ]

And this:

"Howdie!

As much as I hate to have to bring it up I feel someone needs to bring up the long-term, possible, downside.

If we are made to ordain our own freely, without question, what is to stop people with "alterier motives" to become "Ordained Ministers" and could ruin our leit standing as a religion.

Oh I know, it pained me to type.

I doubt that we as a group would let that happen, but as long as I bring it up, my mind will be soothed of the doubt."

You're cracking me up here, bro. Someone needs to be Donnie Downer, eh? Alright, matey. Give us hell to think about for our own good, yes?

That might easily be a description of the Universal Life Church. They allow ordainment of virtually anyone who can type a few simple things on the website and click 'submit'. As far as I know, they're still going pretty strong with 20 million ('strangers') ordained.

As I see it, part of what we're doing here - at this THC Ministry forum - is making manifest a shared dream that each of us has about an ideal Cannabis reality. It's a work in process, influenced by how things have been done in the past and what we can imagineer here and now.

How has our ordainment method been for you so far? Our 'letters of good standing' certainly convey an authority is being granted to the newcomer. Is that effective? Is it useful? Does it work? How do you want to see it changed? In a more ideal world would there be ordainments at all? Do you care, and/or is it time for another puff?

My thinking mind is checking out. See ya.

Roger

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