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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Axis of Evil gets real Reply with quote

The state-controlled Persian news agency reports today:

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FM urges new ground for cooperation with NKorea

Tehran, May 11, IRNA

Iran-NKorea-Meet

Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki here Thursday night stressed the importance of removing certain obstacles and preparing new ground for cooperation with North Korea.

Mottaki was speaking in a meeting with the visiting North Korea's Vice Foreign Minister Kim Yong Il, who is currently in Tehran at the head of a delegation.

"The Iranian government is interested in expansion of ties with North Korea in various political, economic and cultural fields," he said while pointing to determination of the two countries' senior officials to continue amicable relations and cooperation.

He added the issue of North Korea's debt to Iran is among obstacles in the way of promotion of bilateral cooperation, saying, "The two countries can find a formula to remove the obstacle." The minister expressed Iran's support for cooperation between North and South Korea as primary steps for establishment of unity between the two states.

Kim, for his part, assessed as friendly and deep-rooted mutual relations between Tehran and Pyongyang.

North Korea is aware of the importance of bolstering ties with Iran and will support Tehran at the international circles, he said.

He stressed Iran's right to access to nuclear energy for peaceful purposes and voiced his country's readiness to further boost cooperation with Iran in various economic fields.

At the end of the meeting, Kim and Mottaki signed a memorandum of understanding on expansion of cooperation between the two countries' Ministries of Foreign Affairs.

Based on the MoU, the two sides are committed to exchange delegations at the level of deputy foreign ministers every year and hold consultations on different international issues.

Such as missiles that can reach Amsterdam, Berlin and Copenhagen.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That doesn't make any difference to our 'safety', we allready have nuclear warheads pointing at us from the fascists in America, better bother about those, they are much closer, and REAL, unlike the Iranian and Nkorean missiles that are not even existing yet, or in a very early testing state.

I personally feel much more treathened by the US than by any other nation. Other nations don't have troops on our soil and point nuclear warheads towards us 'for our safety'.

I suggest to worry about real treaths first before you start to shout about imaginary treaths that 'might' happen somewhere in the undisclosed future.

And that "axis of evil" is a load of bullcrap invented by another religious extremist lunatic who believes that god talks to him.

I'm also getting a tad tired of all that stupid propaganda against a couple of countries that do not want to submit to will of the fascists that control our world, in case you didn't notice.

Do me a favor and post a list of countries that have US military bases at their soil, Like The Kingdom of Hawai'i, a souvereign nation that's still occupied by the US because of a military base, or Haiti, or a couple of hundred other countries.

...And you act as if the US media are not state controlled, even WIKImedia blocked US government Ip's because they edited every single article on US and foreign policies and countries with propaganda crap, they gave up blockiong because the US government employees use proxis to edit WIKI now, everyone knows that WIKI lost its credibility long time ago because of this. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The U.S. spends more on Defense (contractors) than all the other nations on earth put together.

War is our #1 export.

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother Nachts is a good example of the effectiveness of the propaganda machine of the American Neocons and their global cohorts. After 11 Sept 2001, the new fascists have had an easy time of brainwashing the masses into believing that an unholy holy war is pending, but they always point the finger at everyone else while ignoring their own efforts to start it.

The problem with paranoia is that it is an irrational fear that is not based on facts, however the paranoid will find 'evidence' everywhere they look. As such, it is nearly impossible to get the afflicted to see outside of the psychological cage they have locked themselves into, thus it does no good to try to make an Islamaphobe aware of their phobia. Only he can open his own mind.

Unfortunately, this can give the ministry a black eye as guests and visitors may mistake one person's comments as representing the community as a whole. I can attest to the fact that this has already been occurring as I have encouraged cannabis users of various backgrounds to join our site, only to have them visit and read some comments like the above mentioned, then ask me why I would recommend them to join the site.

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you believe that America wanted to use nuclear weapons against Europe, why hasn´t it already done so? What are they waiting for?

The truth is, the government of the U.S.A., even though they are prohibitionists and have an intelligence hydrocephalus, is not suicidal. They use their weapons to pursue their interests, and if these interests cannot be achieved by using these weapons, they do not use them.

In contrast to that, the governments of Persia and North Korea openly talk about turning their populations into martyrs, and in fact this is the very core of their ideologies. They are death cultists who are not interested in their own benefit, only in the demise of others. (And they are prohibitionists too.)

This is why I worry more about a capability that has not materialised yet than about the one that had been there all the while. It is intent that matters above anything else, read up about intent in the Rishi writings.

And as far as fascism is concerned, just find out where in our world Mein Kampf is leading the bestseller lists these days. It is not America, it is the so-called moderate Muslim nations. In fact, the only problem I do have with the aforementioned country is that it is still stuck on prohibition, although this is detrimental to its rational interests. Although these days it is cheerleading prohibition, it has not invented it, Europe has.

To put things into perspective, I am writing this from a place which is about as close to Mecca and Medina as San Francisco and Los Angeles are to Washington and New York. And since I have seen this phenomenon eat out the soul of my own country from the inside, I do not give the ideological heirs of the Nazis any benefit of the doubt. I do not mind whether some may take my skepticism as a prop for their inverted reality projections, I only do care about practical solutions to elevate our species above the level of barbarianism.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nachtschattenreich wrote:
To put things into perspective, ...I do not give the ideological heirs of the Nazis any benefit of the doubt.


To put things into perspective, the author of that article you link to, as a confirmation of your statements on muslims, is written by Matthias Küntzel, a Jew, member of several Jewish ant-semitism organisations and one of the most notorious flamers of Islam for the Jewish zionist lobby. In fact he is one of the guys who made a living of feeding hatred and distrust for the whole muslim community and advocating the US and Israel's policies in the middle east. Guys like Matthias Küntzel are rightwing fascists themselves and cover it up under an aura of pseudo science.

Funny how you keep posting links to CIA and Israeli government funded websites and opinions to prove your point btw.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even our own Corporate media has folks regularly pointing out that Bush is detached from reality, manifestly irresponsible and possibly insane.

Grandpa Prescott Bush was a Nazi supporter. No surprise, there.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ferre - This is insane what you´re saying. As far as I know, he is an atheist.

Matthias Küntzel is a leading expert on German history and the Nazi foreign policy towards Islam. There are many who do not like his research, and they tried to prove him wrong and failed because he got the facts right. If you hate him, then count me in too. When I have to chose between being a Muslim and a Zionist, I will be a Zionist all the times.

Brother Ferre, from your comments I do increasingly get the impression that the THC Ministry Europe as represented by you was all about wallowing in hatred and false accusations, and not about finding a way to end prohibition. You´re in a dead end, get out. The commercial media have been lying to you. Everybody else, click the link and read what Küntzel is writing, it´s an eye-opener.

Remember, the Nazis were stopped by the civilised world only short of taking over the Middle-East. In the early 1940s, Europe was occupied, Persia renamed itself to Iran ("the Aryan one"), the British empire was losing ground in North Africa, a pro-Nazi government performed a coup in Iraq, and Hitler was invading Russia. Had not these foolish Japanese awakened the Americans from their slumber, the Nazis would have succeeded taking over the Middle East and all its resources, nothing in the world could have stopped them any more.

And I might have been a war criminal (if ever born at all). Pause a moment, would you prefer that to the current situation?

Read the secret Nazi plan here (in German)

"In the moment German tanks and planes descend southward from the Caucasus, we can go public with this plan to the Arab world"

This document is allso discussed in this videoclip (in English):

Adolph Hitler Meets with Grand Mufti Amin Al Husseini
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic Power - I never cease to be amazed that the accusations the U.S.A. were too late with their economic sanctions against Nazi Germany comes from the same people who also criticise them for the economic sanctions against Baathist Iraq.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I never cease to be amazed


How's that working out for you?
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic Power - Well, there´s a name for the source of the amazement, it can be said that those individuals who produce those contradictory statements are in a state of cognitive dissonance.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nachtschattenreich wrote:
Mystic Power - Well, there´s a name for the source of the amazement, it can be said that those individuals who produce those contradictory statements are in a state of cognitive dissonance.


F. Scott Fitzgerald observed: “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.”

Cognitive dissonance, on the other hand, is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort -- or uncomfortable tension -- felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation.

This discomfort might be experienced as being in a state of permanent bewilderment in some, or, more pleasantly, as ceaseless amazement in others.

In this, you may count yourself lucky, my friend. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nachtschattenreich wrote:
They are death cultists who are not interested in their own benefit, only in the demise of others.

If we are in the habit of throwing around wikipedia terms, how about another one? Doublespeak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

The U.S. has two naval armadas in Persian Gulf, are armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons there, have killed over 600,000 Iraqis, yet it is the Persians who are the death cultists.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(BACK ON TOPIC) Mystic Power - Do I assume correctly, that by criticising business partners of the Nazis, you´re saying that the U.S.A. should have been doing no such business, i.e. the government should have imposed economic sanctions against Germany as early as 1933?

Well, this was done in the case of Iraq from 1990 on, there were economic sanctions. And still the same people who criticise the lack of economic sanctions in the case of the Nazis also criticise the presence of economic sanctions in the case of the Baathist offspring of the Nazis, even to the point of blaming the government that enacted these sanctions for the crimes of the Baathists.

It appears that whatever is being done by the U.S.A. against a fascist regime, no sanctions, or sanctions, is wrong in the eyes of the critics. This is what I call a contradictory position. It does not make any sense to have a double standard between one fascist regime and another.

I did not mean to say that I was busy with looking at this all the time. But when I do, I always wonder how those who hold these opinions manage to ignore that this is a contradictory position.

BTW, I looked up your quote, and it turned out the next sentence is:

Quote:
The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise.


That´s what I do, I think those who use my country´s history as a prop are hopeless, and still I am trying to convince them not to do so.

Johnny J -

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The U.S. has two naval armadas in Persian Gulf, are armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons there, have killed over 600,000 Iraqis, yet it is the Persians who are the death cultists.


That´s right. My argument is not about hardware (weapons), but about software (ideology). One side has the supreme weapons arsenal, but will only kill to achieve a defined purpose. The other side is only beginning to build weapons, but has a record of killing for the sake of itself, with no purpose.

And if you need to blame the genocides in Iraq on anyone else than the fascist regime that was there, why not on the United Nations? They were blocking any change to the better for more than a decade.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nachtshattenreich, you keep forgetting that it's all ONE of the same.

The Baath party was supported by the CIA, not by any muslim organisation in Iraq and so was Saddam. Fundamentalist islam in the region was supported by the British intelligence and the CIA to destabilize the middle east, they actually created muslim terrorism because it was convenient for them. Also, both muslims and christians are in fact the same religion, devided in a war for world power, nazism and the Abrahamic scriptures go hand in hand and allways have been very closely connected on both christian and muslim side of the isle.

As we speak, the US government is funding mulsim terrorist organisations that bomb people, kidnap people and the like on Iranian soil to 'destabilize' Iran, the same muslim terrorist organisations that support El Quada (el CIAda) btw.

If you find the time to read other than US and Israeli funded propaganda sites you might do some searches on "GOOGLE" and read up on what is really going on around us.

You might want to start with viewing this very educational, and at the main time very entertaining video:

History of oil
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