Attacks on cannabis

David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

I love the new angle by the press and other anti cannabis lobbyists by injecting cannabis. Personally I would not try it to hard core for me, but some people are so determined to attack they will go to dangerous levels.
Anyway the fact is that if you inject cannabis (or pure THC) you will still live, if you inject alcohol you could die, no grey area there.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080229090503AA5kajH

When I first met my doctor he said that every time I saw him he would discuss cannabis.
Then he realised I knew more than he did, and now he moves away from the subject.
He keeps asking how much I drink and if I inject other drugs, with the claim that all the cannabis users he has come across use other drugs. Why don't they just leave me alone?

DdC · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:39 am Post subject:

Reefer madness across the pond

**Brother Adam** · Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject:

Injecting cannabis? Get fucking real. You mean you would stab yourself in the flesh rather than suck on a sweet, aromatic doobie? Or, better yet, inhaling some sweeeet flavorful high grade full melt, clear dome bubble hash? Yeah fucking right.
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DdC · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:42 am Post subject:

Brother Adam

You should probably address the person your ranting over.
That would be the lame ass reporter.
Not the messenger bringing it here...
DdC

I don't shoot nothing or nobody.

Is Nicky Taylor's On-Air Session Good Journalism or Bad Judgment?

David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/25/ndrugs125.xml

**viper** · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject:

I'd like to know how they managed to produce an injectable version of THC as it is only soluble in fat and alcohol.

Sounds and smells like alarmist bullshit.

......................... and if there is such a thing - I want to try it.

Lets go Nicky, jack me up, film me. Lets see if it does to me what it does to you.

A further thought; are we talking about THC only, or a whole compound solution ?

Marinol was rejected by patients who complained that the 'pure THC' compound was too trippy. They had no dificulty however with the high from inhaled whole compound cannabis.
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David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

Viper they're talking about pure THC and they've been doing it for years. We all know that injecting it makes you sick. It's a combination of the whole chemicals within the plant that works, That why I don't like this type of advertisement, all it proves is that the pharmaceutical companies can't mess about with it.

Pass the needle upon the left hand side, just doesn't have the same ring to it Laughing

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**Brother Adam** · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

Hey DdC, that wasn't an attack on David, and I'm sure he knows it. It was just my rant about how ridiculous this whole premise is. There is no sense arguing it to the reporter, she knows she is reporting lies. It's what she gets paid to do! Laughing

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“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.”

-James Madison

Police officers acquitted for beating a 64 yr old man recently in New Orleans. In the words of their defense attorney "all he had to do was comply"....and they wouldn't have fractured his face.

David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

Adam,

**Brother Adam** · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:45 am Post subject:

Yup..sorry for confusion....back under the rock I go! Laughing

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“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.”

-James Madison

Police officers acquitted for beating a 64 yr old man recently in New Orleans. In the words of their defense attorney "all he had to do was comply"....and they wouldn't have fractured his face.

David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

Just watched the program and I thought I would share my thoughts.

The program is called 'Should I smoke cannabis' and yet again we have a title that does not get answered. What she does say is that she would now after trying Cannabis "not smoke street skunk" not saying that she would not go back to Amsterdam and smoke. She would stick to her cigarettes and one glass of red wine. I do wonder if that is one glass of red wine, most people I know that drink wine, drink one bottle, and that include doctors nurse's and teachers, you know the people that they say "would you want him/her smoking a jpint

before you or your off spring. Which always worries me, do I want a surgeon that needs meds to keep his hand steady? but as the say 'such is life'.

We have the experts on the program. the kid from the east end of London who tells us not to smoke cannabis because he gets paranoid that the police are going to raid him when he smokes and says "Take it from me, I'm someone who knows what he's talking about".

It's a shame that they showed the owner of Sensi seeds forget, but he should of prepared himself better. Although it was funny our expert forgetting technical terms.

The BBC expert was on the fence, claiming that both those who say cannabis is good for you and the people that say it's the work of the devil are both wrong.

Granny Pat saying "I can't give you any I would then be a dealer, but when I turn my back you can take a cake" absolute madness law we have, it's not a law, it's a game. Thats where we need to attack.

And then there's the injection. Just as I said, pure THC is not a good substance, its the mixer with the Cannabinoids that gives the best best high, but they only tried THC on it's own and with Cannabinoids. OK for the novice but no good for the knowledgeable, to many open ended answers.

What I would like to know is.
What does Cannabinoids on their own cause?
What clears the system first THC or Cannabinoids? This would answer the withdrawal and what type and when you would need to smoke.
Airborne THC. does this affect? What is airborne THC or Cannabinoids or both, this would answer should one smoke or grow near children.
What is her thoughts on Legalisation, it was noted in the program that it is illegal throughout the world, yet people smoke it. as I have said before "it's an all in or all out scenario". Do we legalise or eradicate? and that is a rhetorical question.

So my answer to the program "Not worth watching". It remind me of the bible, full of grey with no black and white.

David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

Here is the BBC reply to the program, which I must add is bias against.

'Month of cannabis terrified me'
Nicky Taylor
Nicky had tried cannabis at university
A mother-of-three who smoked cannabis for a month as part of a BBC documentary has described how the drug left her paranoid and frightened.

She said that the effects of a powerful version of the drug called "skunk" were "absolutely horrendous", though not long-lasting.

Nicky Taylor, from Kidderminster, took part in the experiment in Amsterdam, where attitudes to the drug are more liberal than in the UK. She also became psychotic after an injection of an active ingredient of cannabis.

The drug totally wrecked my mind
Nicky Taylor

This is not the first time Nicky has become a guinea pig - other programmes have seen her binge drinking, and undergoing plastic surgery.

Although scientific research has firmly linked cannabis use with health problems, the UK has, according to UNICEF, the third highest rate of use among young people in the Western world.

Although she had previously used cannabis two decades ago at university, Nicky said that she wanted to find out what would happen to her children if any of them went on to take today's version of the drug.

Some modern varieties are said to have up to five times higher levels of the active ingredient THC.

After taking a job at an Amsterdam coffee shop she smoked different varieties and strengths on a daily basis.

Her experiences with "skunk" cannabis, she said, made her feel "irrational and paranoid".

"Some nights I couldn't sleep at all, and would be pacing my room, becoming more and more paranoid and thinking everyone I'd met at the cafe, as well as the BBC crew, was talking about me."

Although weaker types of cannabis did not have the same effect, she said that her ability to function properly was compromised, making it even more difficult than usual to perform tasks such as putting together flat pack furniture.

"The drug totally wrecked my mind," she said. "There is no way I would want to repeat it again. Nothing made much sense to me any more."

Pure injection

Another noticeable effect of the drug was on her appetite - she said she gained half a stone over the course of the month due to cravings for sweet and salty snacks.

Nicky Taylor
Nicky went to Amsterdam for her experiment

After the month was over, she visited scientists at the Institute of Psychiatry in London, where she was injected with THC alone, and THC with cannabinoid, the combination found in less potent cannabis. After the pure THC, she had a severe psychotic episode.

"I thought that the reasearchers conducting the episode were characters from a horror film. "I was thinking about jumping out of a window."

A psychological score taken during the experiment suggested that the level of her psychosis was greater than that found in some people suffering a schizophrenic attack.

Fortunately, after the end of the month-long experiment, she has suffered no long-term effects, but has vowed to try to keep her children away from the drug.

Debate needed

However, she said a sober public debate was needed about cannabis, as there was growing evidence that it had potentially useful medical applications.

"This is a complex plant, it can do an awful amount of harm, but it can also do an awful amount of good," she said.

"On one hand you have people who think it is the spawn of the devil, and then you have people who think it's fantastic, so nobody ever gets to sit down and actually talk constructively about what we should do with the problem."

Martin Barnes, chief executive of charity Drugscope, said that most evidence about the potential health harms of cannabis had been gathered using lower-strength cannabis varieties.

"The average potency of cannabis available in the UK has increased, and while it is intuitive that greater harm potentially will arise from stronger forms of cannabis, people shouldn't assume that only the stronger types are harmful.

"A big issue is also the longer-term problems which may arise from cannabis use."

A spokesman for Addaction, the drug treatment charity, said cannabis was easily obtained, and normally the first drug used by young people.

She said: "Using the drug can provoke the onset of psychosis or worsen existing psychotic illness - so for people with a history of mental health problems or depression, taking this drug is not a good idea.

"What we need is open, realistic education and information on the associated risks of cannabis use and to make sure high quality treatment is available to all those who need help."

# The documentary, "Should I Smoke Dope?" can be seen on BBC3 on Wednesday 26 March at 2200.

**Ferre** · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject:

For those who are curious about this documentary, it can be viewed here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b009nyxf.shtml?src=ip_mp

I've just seen it and it proves what most of us already know; Cannabis is not the best choice for everyone, some people should just not use it, and this reporter is obviously one of those people who should not be using it.

Having said that, I did notice that this documentary clearly attempted to amplify the negatives involved with Cannabis use, again, negatives which are often not experienced as such by other users.

And David, you said:

David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

David · Bard Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 1261

What makes me laugh!