As a Cannabis Sacrament Minister-If caught growing at home?

**Torkel**

What would be the first action taken by the police if a "Cannabis Sacrament Minister" was caught with cannabis growing in their home? Now I'm not saying that I'm doing this; just want to know if a Minister/Practicioner was caught, would the police arrest him/her and take him/her to jail immediately?

I made a $50 donation to the Ministry this past Tuesday with a note requesting the "1-2-3 kit". In the meantime I'll just wait until the kit arrives before taking the above insinuated religous right/mandate.

I realize that I/we have the right & mandate to supply ourselves with the Holy Sacrament; the only thing is I DO NOT want to have another encounter with the "fuzz, LEO" cult! This "dread" will certainly not stop me, I just don't want to subject my wife & 11 yr old son to LEO's attitude/crap. If I am faced with an encounter with LEO, I just know that I will not be just talking. Evil or Very Mad

I have no respect/fear whatsoever of LEO or the unjust/hypocritical laws regarding our sacrament; however I don't want another physical go-around with them either!

That's another topic, so I'll settle myself down, NOW & stick with the most likely scenario that would take place if it were to happen to one of us.

I just want to be prepared & armed with the most effective things to say (probably nothing) or present to LEO should it actually happen.

If anyone has any input or can point me in the right direction/attitude it would be appreciated.

Very Happy

Peace to all, Frank

Brother Maynard · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:20 am Post subject:

I guess the situation would be the same as if they found your sacrament bag. You will have better credibility once you receive your 1-2-3 Kit, where you will be able to attach the "THC Ministry Sacrament Plant Tags" to your plants. As long as you don't have a suspicious amount of plants (more than one would conceivably need for personal use), they will not try to arrest you on "cultivation," "possession," and "intent to distribute" charges. I would also advise using one of your "Cannabis Sanctuary" signs for your growroom. The police should have no reason to bother you. Smile

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Stokes · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:35 am Post subject:

Wow! ... You catch on quickly Brother Maynard. Are you sure you weren't a Cannabis Sacrament Minister in another life time?

Maybe you could help me with a question that I've been wondering about. How long after we become members of the Ministry can we expect to receive the Sanctuary kit?

Stokes bongsmilie

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Lilli · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 5:47 am Post subject:

http://www.thc-ministry.org/kit2.htm
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**Torkel** · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:29 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the replies, folks. Wink

I still haven't got the 1-2-3 kit yet or Roger hasn't replied to my emails about the status of the kit. Sad

I emailed Roger a few minutes ago asking about it...hopefully I'll get a response.

Anyway, I couldn't wait for the kit to start gr**ing the sacrament, so I feel kind of 'naked' doing so without the kit to show a sort of proof of my claim to belonging to the Ministry.

Take care, Torkel Smile

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Brother Maynard · Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:10 am Post subject:

Torkel, I'm not sure how far your knowledge of growing cannabis reaches, but anyone interested in getting the most out of their sacrament should visit Overgrow. The GrowFAQ found there is unparalleled to any other resource you'll find on the net, books, or magazines.

Stokes, I honestly don't know how long it takes to get the Sanctuary Kit, as I haven't ordered one. Embarassed

Roger is a very busy man; give him time, it will come. Then wait 7-10 business days for UPS Standard Airmail Delivery. Wink

Peace
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**Torkel** · Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:47 am Post subject:

Thanks for the reply/advice, Brother Maynard. Smile

Yes, I visit overgrow every now & then...it has all the nfo needed & then some.

I know Roger has got to be very busy & I am a patient person. It's just that the order was placed on 11-23-04; I know that it takes some time to get from Hawaii to WV, especially at this holiday season we are in now. I just wish he would reply to my emails. Sad

Can anyone shed some light on how long it can take to get the kit?

TIA, Torkel Smile

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Miller vs U.S. (230 F 2nd 486,489): "The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."

Miranda vs Arizona (384 U.S. 436, 125): "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them."

HAGANS vs LAVINE (415 US 533 N-3,note 5): "Once JURISDICTION is challenged it must be proven by the Plaintiff."

Lilli · Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:15 am Post subject:

It prob takes your mail 5-6 days to get to him an his 5-6 days to get to you. And thats if he was home at the time it arived. Rogers super busy and is out of town alot. He will get it too you.
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I pass to you the torch that Christ once passed to me.
Others are still in the dark and need
the light to see.
"I AM"
"Gathering the fragments so that
none are lost"
His Shepherdess
http://missouri.thcministry.org/

**Torkel** · Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:32 am Post subject:

I got a reply from Roger, stating that the kit will be mailed today. Very Happy

Thanks for the reply, Lilli. I donated via, paypal, so it was pretty much an instant transfer.

Everything is cool...always was, just wanted some info about the status of the kit.

Peace, Torkel Smile

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Miller vs U.S. (230 F 2nd 486,489): "The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."

Miranda vs Arizona (384 U.S. 436, 125): "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them."

HAGANS vs LAVINE (415 US 533 N-3,note 5): "Once JURISDICTION is challenged it must be proven by the Plaintiff."

VWBusman · Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:32 pm Post subject:

Brother Maynard · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:52 am Post subject:

You'd be surprised by how much respect our ministry has gotten from LEO. The only reason they would be able to arrest you is if they don't believe you or they have "probable cause" for "cultivation with intent to distribute." They can only do this if they have a warrant (signed by a judge). If they do not have a warrant, you'll most likely be dismissed. If they did, you're likely to get off on the religious defense that we all work so hard here to achieve.

So, to answer your question, the Cannabis Sanctuary and Legal Defense Kit offered by the Ministry has proven effective in all of the cases that have gone to court to date, but most of the time the charges are simply dropped. Smile

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**Mystic Power** · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:54 am Post subject:

Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

I joined the ministry in August 2000 which makes me one of the first if not thee first cannabis minister in the state of Florida.

I got busted buying sacrement in a reverse stink from an undercover pppppppggggggg excuse me, police officer. The defense did absolutly nothing, no lawyer would even hear it. A buddy of mine who was in law school at the time would not hear it. About six months ago he passed the state bar, now he is a lawyer, he explained to me why this defense cannot work in Florida.

The work of Rev. Christie is admirable, but in Florida it is utterly hopeless. If anyone doubts this, please do your own investigation and see if you can find an attorny in Florida who will argue a religious defense case in a Florida court. All I ask is one lawyer who will argue this defense in court. I tell you in advance that you will not find one. Let me repeat the bad news, no lawyer in Florida will defend you using the religious defense of Roger Christie. In Florida, this defense is hopeless period!

Stokes · Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 4:05 am Post subject:

Rev. Steve · Cannabis Sacrament Minister Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 200

Respectfully to Rev. Christie, like the ULC they lacked a certain organizational skill. My original sacrement kit lists the date of my entry into the ministry, I will have to dig it up and post the date. This kind of thing is destructive to the ministry as anyone who would investigate it as a genuine religious organization will see that Rev. Christie, like the ULC could not even keep track of the members.

I will be speaking with my buddy who is now an attorney this weekend and get specifics as to why this defense is hopeless in Florida.

I did contact Roger after the arrest and he had many good words but that is all. Florida is the front line of the American drug war, no matter how hostile he thinks the p( )g is in Hawaii, they are school girls compared to these guys here in Florida.

If he is the pontif of a new religion, he has to be willing to fight the war in mainland state. This defense is Rogers invention, not the ministers. I say Roger should have come here and appeared in court with me. It does not matter how successful he is in Hawaii, If he had been able to win my case in Florida it would have truly been the begining of the end of the war on Cannabis. How many people do you think would have joined THC if he could demonstrate a victory in Florida. The media would have had the government shaking in it's boots because they would know that finally a defense had arrived that they could not beat. It is not too late. I tell you that if Roger will aggree to fight here and bring his lawyers, I will sacrifice myself by getting arrested again just to have a case to argue the ministries defense.

Roger has the right idea but he has to grow the balls to take the fight to the mainland. Hawaii is a isolated state. The fed can stand to loose the war there (though they will never admit it). If this defense threatend there precious drug war here, you would have to catch the brave men as they dive from the fourteenth floor.

Yes my words are harsh, but this not peace this is war and the fed says we are the enemy! I am a Viet Nam era veteran, I am a patriot, these cowards prey on us because, despite the Muslim wars they do not have the testis to take on a real bully like a citizen weilding the Constitution.