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Rev. Chazman
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
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The safety for Roger is the safety for us all. And that is to continue to grow and cement our foundation as firmly as possible. When the organization is stronger than any one individual... Then no one individual is a target.
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Romadon
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
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Location: Indiana - USA
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Do you see a parallel with early Christianity here?
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Hello out there on the cannabis road,
Aloha. What a thread of discussion. I'm often reminded of some parallels with what little I know about early Christianity and the practice of cannabis spirituality. It can be challenging - it can be rewarding - it can be dangerous!!! Even where (especially where) there is a supposed guarantee - in writing - of 'religious freedom' for all citizens.
Am I safe to practice cannabis cultivation and enjoyment for my spirituality in Florida, or wherever? That's a very big and loaded question in the USA where the prejudice against the herb is so wide and deep, and where even its supporters are pretty much in hiding (most or all of the time?) for fear of the severe penalties if one gets caught. Sounds a bit like early Christianity to me.
Maybe the parallels are more exact than I have realized. Let's do a little research, please, and see how similar we are to the early Christian era, OK? With the holy anointing oil now a magical part of this ministry we (I, and possibly you) have entered the realm of the Judeo-Christian 'line' some how and some way.
Here it is Christmas Eve and this discussion is totally appropriate. 'Christian', or not, we all have the chance for a dynamic discussion and the further illumination of our mission, our experience and our faith.
Mahalo for being a part of our living history.
Much love and respect to you and yours,
Roger
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I say bring it on, persecutors. Sure, we're going to suffer some casualties, but isn't that one of the prices of any war? And the casualties likely won't compare with the damage that's already been done to individuals and families by prohibition, nor possible future ones. We must prepare accordingly for the noble fight and not waver in our position to have religious autonomy upheld by international, federal, state, and local laws.
Even a legal war is not for the faint of heart, and the right attorneys will be crucial to our success, we must spend much time organizing and assembling them in order to have a fighting chance against the 'beast'.
Take up your arms fellow ministers ... our time is coming.
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| Rev. Chazman wrote: |
| The safety for Roger is the safety for us all. And that is to continue to grow and cement our foundation as firmly as possible. When the organization is stronger than any one individual... Then no one individual is a target. |
| Lilli wrote: |
Steve some of us believe Roger to be led by God. I certainly do. There's several points to Rogers ministry. One of them is the oil. My Dr is astounded at the changes in my lung sounds and all around ability to get around now. Mindy's legs were spared from the amputator's knife. Kate's lungs, Bens heart and lungs both improved. There's a 99 yr old woman using it and getting relief from crippling arthritic pain in her hands. Shes able to play the piano painlessly.
We are on a mission from God!!!!
Rogers been selected by God to be his warrior and make this Holy Oil.
David slew Goliath! Daniel stayed safe in the lions den! Shadrac, Meshak, and Obendigo all stayed safe. When you have God in your corner "no weapon formed against thee shall prosper"
The bible also says that what ever we bind here on earth is bound in heaven. And whatever loosed on earth be loosed in heaven. Well I bind any evil acts against Roger Christie and his Ministry and these members I Plead the blood of Jesus on him and us all. I thank you Oh Jehovah for imparting power unto us in the name of Jesus Hallelujah and amen |
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Rev. Steve
Cannabis Sacrament Minister
Joined: 17 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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I can understand Lilli's resentment of my extremely harsh words. I aggree that Roger may be led by the Lord. I also Plead the Blood of Jesus that Roger be kept safe. But how will the ministry ultimatly win this war if the misniters can't take the heat of an online discussion?
Lilli, It feels like you have identified me as the new enemy of the ministry, just as the fed has identified cannabis as the enemy of God, the people and democracy. Please retain some sense of perspective. This is not a casual thing to me, it is a conviction. It will take a lot more than harsh words to make me buclkle. On Christmas eve I have asked Roger for forgivness with no reply yet. If the blood of Jesus has been pleaded for then we must not resists it's flow.
I too have serious illnesses which are addressed by cannabis. Though I pray that none of you will go through what I am still going through, which is obviously mild compared to a prison sentence. If you had, I don't know if you would have clutched your new religion as I have. I post my thoughts in order to challange our weaknesses, which are very real, so when the test finally comes we will not be humiliated and chased into hiding. You know the fed will not go easy on us and they will never let us rest, once they decide that THC has been a thorn in there sides for long enough. |
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Mystic Power
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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I see quite a few similarities between spiritual cannabists and early christianity.
There is an officially endorsed persecution of cannabis and her people, even unto death.
We must congregate in secrecy, in our homes and sanctuaries.
The early christians had their "secret" symbols:
...as we have ours:
Just as the early christians would lose themselves in sniping and useless in-fighting, so do we.
Just as they became victorious, SO SHALL WE.
Bliss on
Ben
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Lilli
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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This what I think about Roger Christie
Judges 6:12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valor.
Steve Wrote:
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Lilli, It feels like you have identified me as the new enemy of the ministry, just as the fed has identified cannabis as the enemy of God, the people and democracy. Please retain some sense of perspective. This is not a casual thing to me, it is a conviction. It will take a lot more than harsh words to make me buclkle. On Christmas eve I have asked Roger for forgivness with no reply yet. If the blood of Jesus has been pleaded for then we must not resists it's flow.
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I have NOT identified you as the "new" enemy of the Ministry I assure you. I understand your frustrations but I also understand the infancy of the ministry at the time of your problam. Rogers expertice in the oil is literaly saving peoples lives Steve. I am one of them. I lived as a semi invaled for 10 years. My conjestve heart failure and advanced copd disease topped with chronic fatigue was about to win my life. I didnt even have the energy to take the pills that would help me. Rogers healing ministry saved my life ...from an early grave. I have 3 grandchildren Steve.
Id like to see great grandchildren too. So if I sound like a Roger Christie one woman band then youll just have to excuse me. I AM HAPPY TO BE ALIVE. I wish you all the best Reverend Steve. 
And as for your asking Roger for forgivness when he sees it believe me he will because thats just the kind of loving person he is.
What I do understand thoough is that we have power in prayer. The power in Gods army and God protection.I also believe those storys of old you see. I believe in Gideons army. do you know the story?
The morals a good one. I think we are alot like that. Roger you ask if there were other similaritys. They had the water test they had to go through We have the Andrews test . And also the story a great Conclusion: Encouragement! This is one of the great lessons we learn from Gideon and his army. When they did that which was right, God was with them. When we are with God, God will be with us. Heb. 13:5-
6 “Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.”
Rom. 8:31 “What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?” What greater encouragement could we ask for: than to know that God is on our side. Gideon and his army is a beautiful
example of the success and victory that will be ours.
For those of you that arn't into the bible. Just skip the rest of this post. But if you are you may find this intresting. Roger theres more similaritys I see. Have a look.
Gideon’s Army; Judges 7.
1. Gideon started with 32,000 soldiers, but God said this was too many.
a. The Battle was God’s and the victory for winning was also God’s.
b. God wanted Israel to realize that they had not saved themselves; Jud. 7:2
“And the LORD said unto Gideon, The people that are with thee are too many for me to give the Midianites into their hands, lest Israel vaunt themselves against me, saying, Mine own hand hath saved me.”
c. The Ministry needs to realize that the battle is God’s and the honor for the victory over sin and Satan is to be His.
(1) Too many times we forget this and rely on our own strength instead
of God’s.
(2) Too many times we claim honor for ourselves that should be given
to God.
(3) This sometimes causes us to refuse to enter into battles because we
face them in our own strength and forget about the promises of God.
2. The faint-hearted were rejected.
a. Jud. 7:3 “Now therefore go to, proclaim in the ears of the people, saying, Whosoever is fearful and afraid, let him return and depart early from mount Gilead. And there returned of the people twenty and two thousand; and there remained ten thousand.”
b. 22,000 were too faint-hearted to face the battle.
c. The battle against us is no place for the faint-hearted.
(1) 1 Cor. 16:13 “Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.”
(2) 2 Tim. 2:1 “Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.”
3. The Water Test.
a. Jud. 7:4-7 “And the LORD said unto Gideon, The people are yet too many; bring them down unto the water, and I will try them for thee there: and it shall be, that of whom I say unto thee, This shall go with thee, the same shall go with thee; and of whomsoever I say unto thee, This shall not go with thee, the same shall not go. 5So he brought down the
people unto the water: and the LORD said unto Gideon, Every one that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink. 6And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, were three hundred men: but all the rest of the people bowed down
upon their knees to drink water. 7And the LORD said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place.”
b. Water was needful, but the way in which they drank it showed their spirit.
(1) This was no haphazard test: there is wisdom in it. (AS THERE IS IN THE ANDREWS TEST)
(2) The 300 knew what their mission was.
(3) They get a drink and are on their way, while the others are by the
stream drinking.
c. Many commonplace things test the quality of men.
(1) Every day we are led to the stream to drink to show what we are
and whether we are in earnest about divine things.
(2) We show our spiritual state by our attitude and actions.
(a) What do we do with our time?
(b) What about our concern for the Ministry and its activities?
(c) What about Bible We know the oil came from the bible We know the infinate wisdom and healing of the oil. We too can rely on Bible truths and history of protection to lead us through.
(d) These are like Israel’s water test, they show our spiritual
state. How many fail this test?
(3) Do we pile up engagement after engagement until we spend all our
time at the stream and forget the battle?
d. Israel had 10,700 tagging along in the army without any sense of duty as soldiers.
(1) What are we?
(2) Are we taggers-along or are we soldiers?
4. The 300 Soldiers; Jud. 7:7-8:4.
a. They were selected men.
(1) 2 Tim. 2:2 “And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses,the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.”
(2) The Bible makes unusual people out of ordinary people.
b. They had faith in the cause they were fighting for.
(1) They were willing to stake their lives on it.
(2) That is what religion is all about: If it is not worth staking our lives
on, then it is not worth anything.
c. They made the fullest use of their means and left the results to God.
(1) Think of what the church could do today if we really used what we
have and left the rest up to God.
(2) 1 Cor. 3:6 “I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.”
d. Every man stood in his place.
(1) Jud. 7:21 “And they stood every man in his place round about the camp: and all
the host ran, and cried, and fled.”
(2) There were no idle men in Gideon’s army.
(a) There were no soldiers standing on the sidelines.
Gideon’s Army Page -5-
(b) Each man stood as though the outcome of the battle depended completely on him and what he did.
(3) Think of what the Ministry could do if every soldier stood
in his place.
e. They acted in unity.
(1) Every soldier was at his place and every man had a pitcher with a
light in it and a trumpet. At the signal every man blew his trumpet
and broke the pitcher to let the light shine.
(a) Just suppose that when the signal was given one man
jumped up blew his trumpet and broke his pitcher, after a
while another would do so, then another, etc.
(b) There would have been no victory for Israel that day.
(2) But what about in the Ministry?
(a) Do we act in unity, working together?
(b) Do we allow one person to blew his trumpet, break his
pitcher, let his light shine all alone, until he becomes
discouraged?
f. Just Suppose:
(1) It was time for the battle and half of the army cannot be found.
Gideon has to get out and round them up.
(a) There would not have been a victory for Gideon and his
army.
(b) Is that not what happens in the church today?
i) We ought to be out fighting the enemy (sin and
evil).
ii) Instead we have to spend time rounding up those
who claim to be Christians.
(2) One had put water in his pitcher instead of a light, and went around
pouring water on the other soldiers light.
(a) They would have been fighting against Israel instead of
Midian.
(b) Again there would not be a victory.
(c) We see this many times in the church.
i) Christians fighting against Christians; Gal. 5:15 “But
if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not
consumed one of another.”
ii) Christians pouring water on others light.
(3) What if each of Gideon’s men had said, “Well I don’t believe I can
make it today,” and tried to let the other fellow take care of the
battle.
(a) Gideon and his army would have lost the battle.
(b) Is this not what happens in the church?
i) Let someone else do it
ii) Often use the excuse that someone else can do it so
much better.
(c) Is this not why we fail to win more battles for Christ than
we do: because we fail to show up to do the work.
Gideon’s Army Page -6-
(4) What if half of Gideon’s army had decided to visit that day or night.
They wanted to visit another army and left their post vacant.
(a) Again the victory would have gone to Midian.
(b) Yet, do we not see this in the Ministry.
g. The Midanites were wrong.
(1) As a result they were weak.
(2) Wrong is never strong, it might appear to be but it is not.
(3) Any victory that evil might gain will be short lived.
Conclusion: The simple lessons of Gideon and his army when applied to the Ministry will bring victories over evil. Gideon and his men did not quit until the job was finished (Jud. 8:4 “And Gideon came to Jordan,
and passed over, he, and the three hundred men that were with him, faint, yet pursuing them.”). This is the attitude we
need today (1 Cor. 15:58 “Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of
the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.”).
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RogerChristie
Cannabis Sacrament Minister.
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
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Location: Hilo, Kingdom of Hawai'i
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:18 am Post subject: Safe for holy anointing oil |
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Hello everyone,
Aloha. Safety and security for everyone of us is of prime importance to me. Our mission includes building real, permanent security that's guided by spirit; one person at a time.
My instincts seem to keep me on a path lately towards the Biblical holy anointing oil, and all that that implies. I think it's the very best protection on Earth for our purposes. Especially in the USA. I'm as surprised as anyone about this. And I'm loving it because it's helping so many formerly vulnerable people to find healing and a place of refuge ... within. You don't have to come to Hawai'i, or go to college or to law school or find a guru in India. (G-U-R-U. Gee, you are you!)
Our ministry is a way for cannabis enjoyers to gradually, or quickly, come out of hiding and join energies, hearts and minds together. (Or one can stay as private as they like for as long as they like). As individuals benefit and grow stronger in faith and experience, our collective group develops, also.
For those who desire to experience a spiritual and a therapeutic blessing from cannabis I invite you to become anointed with the holy oil. Once you are a member of this ministry and have one of our Cannabis Sanctuary Legal Defense Kits, and you're an ordained minister with the ULC, I will be happy to provide the sacrament to you. It's my pleasure to do so.
Are you safe to cultivate herb in Florida, or anywhere? Until you feel secure enough to enjoy cultivation in private - at home - I can help you with holy oil made with myrrh, cinnamon, cassia and prime, organic, outdoor Hawaiian cannabis flowers according to the recipe of Exodus 30:23.
Please email me with your request for some. Practitioners use the holy oil on themselves, and ministers apply it to others and spread the love and the comfort.
All the best to you,
Roger
P.S. I really appreciate all the support I receive, and I don't want to be up on any pedestal - it's just further to fall from.
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Fyrefly1
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Nicely done, Lilli... 
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