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The Wisco Sha'man Shaman


Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 39
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:11 am Post subject: Anti- Government Sentiment- the backsliding of faith.. |
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I see that here, within this community there is a growing anti government sentiment.. I am not decenting from the basic principle of libertarianism, nor am I in any why shape or form trying to condemn ones beleifs..HOWEVER
Beleif in the faith of jesus chirst is founded in understanding and knowing his principle beleifs.. not only in hebews did he say HAIL CEASEAR, for whats his is his and whats ours is ours... SEEING AS TO the nature of most of the relious based posts aruging that the bible professes the use of CANNABIS , adherence to gods law and the doctrine of the new testiment is an established path to just ritiousness and freedom.. Not only that I would argue in my FAT AMERICAN BELEIFS, the Contitution itself allows for the cultivation of the concept of Building the Kingdom of god... not in any radical form shape or action, but in the principles that the founders of the consitiution were in adherence to their understanding of human rights in relationship to how society should be established and protected..
Not only do I see that On one hand beleivers here cultivate the idea that the contitution is our defense to prosecution.. on the other hand I see them stepping on the toes of the establishment that is the government, in essence saying I HATE You.. in every essence of your being.. but you cant attack me becaue law says so... Understanding the sacrafice that was made so that the we could have freedom and liberty,where will the bashing of the government end.. STictly in the sense that it is our culture..
Christs sacrafice to build the kingdom of god, was in the minds of the writers of the constitution in some way shape or form.. respect that..
Another statement to be made..
Try to understand the source of these posts in which bias and very strong anti establishment beleifs are founded...
Where inturn does the argument end, Hate does not breed freedom... hate only inspires more hate... that is the nature of the beast in any way shape or form..
In some respects the people here who have been convicted of crimes despite their beleifs, need a solid ground to walk on.. in essence is christ the corner stone of your church? the rock the foundation ,? i ask you that..
What is?
In shamanism, we find that there lies the esscense of lifes lesson within the plants, not only that the nature of the appearnence of the plant.. the smell taste texture.. all go into account on what is the lesson.. example jimpson weed.. a thorny seed pod that createse an intense hypnotic state. the apperance of the seed pod in essence is saying when you reache for me you will stuble.. but if you remove the thorns first , then you will have found the lesson.. that is that you must remove the thorns of existance, to find the blessing sort to speak... there are many examples of this in nature, and even in the lessons of the bible.. My opinion,, Cannabis in essence is a female teacher despte the concepts of sciences expliination of substances, The scent remenist somewhat of the sex of a female.. the flowers themselves are sex organs.. I did not want to state my beleif but is what I adhere to..
Also, there is not a thing in existnace that is new, even man made substances are founded on building blocks of nature...
Understanding the principle of how that substance come to be,, be it the intentions of the chemist, the spirit of the chemicals within.. the structure of the crystal form...
What is the spiritual use of cannabis for me.. it is being able to sit around the fire, and say to a close friend and beleiver in life,lets discuss the nature of life, the state of the system in which we live, all aspects of poor mans philosophy...
I would also contest that christ himself used cannabis, But would say that he would not condemn you if you did...
So
My understanding is.. the nature of what the foundation of the contitution was,, is is,, that you are free.
PEACE,
And may you walk not in fear of man, for the lord thy god is with you.. _________________ and the wind cried Mary! |
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The Wisco Sha'man Shaman


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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: Proper prospective |
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It is the lesson of proper prospective,
Every year, in my part of the country there is a species of bird called "barn swollows" that return to their summer homes within the barns and stables .... the lesson of the species is proper prospective, there is many myths surrounding the idea that they bring with them the fire of heaven... in regards to prospective.. it is said while christ was on the cross, the swollows gathered around him and said" cher up" there natural sound... not only do the swollows seem to adher to a language of their own.. they make a sound that is reminecent of the asian dialect, in way there sing songy chirp is a great blessing from the creator..
Proper prospective in the justice system
Here in the county I live in there is a very old stone "limestone" courthouse,, within the courthouse there is many renderings of our early governments beleifs on justice.. from pictures of angels to the scales of justice.. atop the room in which the judge resides there is a rendering of the zodiac,, my oppionion is that the courthouses uses as a place in which law and marraige was bestowed,, it was that the peoples wanted the blessing of their divine concious... every time i found myself in the courthouse despite the obious nature i was goign to lose my liberty i felt that it was the way of god , and it was best for me and the people...
A court house outside of the state, which i have demmed the court of satan... the courthouse is very much a modern rendering of mans administration of justice.. all pine/oak walls a very distict feeling that you are the hands of man, not in the hands of the angels or the lord.. the courthouse itself seemed to be a testiment of wastefullness.. the only real renderings were of a seal of the state and a flag,,..
my question to you as minsiters and beleivers.. is In which courts are people finding themselves...
when the jury and justice comes in to provide his/her insite , is the place itself conductive to divine presence...
It is my opinion that the cases inwhich build the foundations of the minsitry should be fought in places conductive to the divine presence...
from what i have seen on court tv, the courthouses themselves are very bland and a testiment to man only...
where is it in our culture do we find it is nessicary example the atheists.. to fight the divine presnce, to admnister only the laws of man.. rather than the rulings of god... _________________ and the wind cried Mary! |
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The Wisco Sha'man Shaman


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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Why I call myself a Shaman, or prefer that title..
I have huge repect for the christian faith, for the sacrements of christianity.. and calling myself a minister would be against my personal convictions...
the reason i spoke out about christian doctrine, ive seen people here saying , marijauan is the holy spirit, the tree of life.. so on and so forth.
marijuana has the ability to provey the nature of the holy spirit , through blessing,, the tree of life, is a philosophy on which life is understood, it comes from judiism, it is said that early prophets of the bible had some understanding of the first transcriptions of the tree of life..
Rather than to allow people fall into a doctrine of self indulgence and ill regard for repecting the principle forces of nature..and the prophets...
I m trying to convey my knowelege , my understanding in hopes a cornerstone on which the use of substances creates a reinventing of the understanding of god..is established... in essence a celebration of our primal selves, a understanding that people should not be held, in suffering for something like the use of a plant.... without falling away from the world that is at bay..
The understanding of anything found in nature is respect for it..
As far as the use of the words satan and god in relation to courthouses..
If you knew the effect that followed the conviction in the courthouse, i deemd a wastefull application of resources..you to would know true evil.
The Courthouse in which there is paintings of angels of justice and mercy.. never left me fall from my humanity...
Ill say it like someone from the old testiment would...
What I m saying is.. what is the god you worship here... what idols have you erected in the name of your cannabis...
Do you think people of faith.. who find the blessing of god in their minds and hearts , without the use of substances, would accept that the same god finds providence and acceptence in you? _________________ and the wind cried Mary! |
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The Wisco Sha'man Shaman


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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:44 am Post subject: |
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thc-ministiry operates within law,
It takes the Cannabis out of the hands of pushers,criminals, gangs and gun runners, the issues of which the establishment uses to hold down its uses,,are destroyed...
The Seed of liberty has been sown, and love prosperty and happiness are soon to follow....
THAnk god Almighty Thank god almighty.. AMENBROTHER _________________ and the wind cried Mary! |
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Sir Les Full member

Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 53
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Anti- Government Sentiment- the backsliding of faith.. |
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I see that here, within this community there is a growing anti government sentiment.. I am not decenting from the basic principle of libertarianism, nor am I in any why shape or form trying to condemn ones beleifs..HOWEVER
Beleif in the faith of jesus chirst is founded in understanding and knowing his principle beleifs.. not only in hebews did he say HAIL CEASEAR, for whats his is his and whats ours is ours... .. |
Governments are corrupt and Evil..(they sin)
"Give onto Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar, and give onto God what belongs to God"...
I believe that is the correct quote...and if we study what belongs to God we find it all belongs to him...for he created everything!
Now what humans make out of what God made, carries the trade mark of God...thus it only changes form, the copy rights still belong to God...So the nations or countries really own nothing!
It all belongs to God...we are only stewards of the creation!
We are to tend and keep it, according to scripture...and that makes good sense for our future generations!
If we go too far from the original concept of the garden principle, Nature throws a fit!
And we now have enough proof of that!...global warming, ozone decay, tainted water, madcows,sick chickens, tainted fish....human sacrifice!
So what belongs to Ceasar is the Idol of Money!
Christ didn't look upon the coin when he asked them to show the denarai..
He asked "who's title is on it?"...as he looked upwards and away from the detestable thing they pulled out of their pockets.
Christ also knocked over the money tables in the courtyard of the church...saying your making a den of robbers and theives!
And he was right!
Also he said you cannot serve wealth and God...because they are opposites!
One is the Idol, one is the God of creation, that said :thow shall have no ingraven images...before thy God.
If you ask what makes the world go round today...they will tell you money is the key to happiness and prosparity in the western world.
Thus we make money a demi God...and God doesn't agree with that concept!
So we have terrorism, and hatred being created by going against the grain of the religious fanaticals!
Who is instigating their anger ?
The western world is allowing many things considered sin for $atan benefits...
And we can see the wrath of GOD coming forth in odd ways!
Of course science has the answers, and they tell the lies that it is natural occurances, and there is an explaination for it other than the wrath of God...
But I know better!
Now they are on the outlook for Bird Flu, and other plagues...wonder why?
Christ said " those who do the will of my father, will enter heaven"
And my belief in Christ tells me to sow the seedsof peace health and happiness, and tend to the flocks...
"It is all good when taken in thanksgiving!"...that means thanking God for the means and the way to righteousness!= Paradise...are we working for our selves if we help out in the garden on this side of the divide?...yes we are! so do it for God, and in that giving back sinlessly and selflessly, we can have some.
Respect all life, and they will help out, and do a function for us, if we do our part and put back the tree of knowledge of good and evil!
God made everything have a reason for being what they are!
Christ also mentions his Kingdom is Not of this world!
Thus Eden is a planet paradise held away from stupid humans!.
We are now once again at the threshold of nuclear war!
The complete disrespect of God's creation! fighting for what?...control of the wealth of the world with nuclear fallout and radiation as the backdrop, with pollution and toxic waste our foreground?...and what did God say about wealth? you cannot serve wealth and God...because this is the outcome!
So it rings true in your mind, and your reality, it has played itself out to almost every direction we can take!
Marijuana restoration and use, is the only one left to try!
Why won't they let us try?
Sir Les |
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Mystic Power admin THC-Ministry YahooGroup


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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yea, verily, He said unto them, 'Where two or three are gathered in my name...you can bet your sweet ass at least one of them will want to form a bureacracy and start making rules.'
~ Yeshua ben Josef, c 31 C.E.
Follow Your Bliss,
Ben _________________ "We are the Ones we have been waiting for."
~Hopi Elder ~
"In Lak'ech"
~ Ancient Mayan: "I am another YOU." ~ |
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Fyrefly1 Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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 _________________ Fyrefly1
"All truth passes through three stages: first it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer, 19th Century Philosopher |
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ren Cannabis Sacrament Minister


Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 53 Location: Lee County FL
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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The laws that we speak of that protect us are from our forefathers, back when the government really was for the people.
Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
Ratified 12/15/1791 |
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Torkel Cannabis Sacrament Minister


Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 1396 Location: West Virginia, USA
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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The Wisco Sha'man wrote:
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| In some respects the people here who have been convicted of crimes despite their beleifs, need a solid ground to walk on.. in essence is christ the corner stone of your church? the rock the foundation ,? i ask you that.. |
NO
Dude, who said that christ should be the cornerstone of my church or my beliefs? Do you just take that statement for granted that it is the correct way for everyoneto believe?
Yes, the good ole ussa or as some call it - amerikkka has ruined my financial life and the hard work/expenses that I put into earning a college degree by convicting me for using an "unapproved" medicine.
Maybe you can enlighten me on this brother The Wisco Sha'man...
what kind of attitude should I have towards our gov't? What "solid ground" are you talking about, The Wisco Sha'man?
Deliver us from evil... give me a fucking break and pick the board out of your own eye first.
Slams my door shut on the vistors,
Torkel _________________ Miller vs U.S. (230 F 2nd 486,489): "The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."
Miranda vs Arizona (384 U.S. 436, 125): "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them."
HAGANS vs LAVINE (415 US 533 N-3,note 5): "Once JURISDICTION is challenged it must be proven by the Plaintiff." |
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Stokes Cannabis Sacrament Minister


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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Does my 'nose of tolerance' detect a less-than-christian air in the room?
It's All Good, brothers ... the same sun rises on those of ALL denominations, everyday.
Check out my signature ... V V V _________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Where love is, there God is also.
-Mahatma Gandhi |
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Torkel Cannabis Sacrament Minister


Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 1396 Location: West Virginia, USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Stokes wrote:
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Does my 'nose of tolerance' detect a less-than-christian air in the room? Laughing
It's All Good, brothers ... the same sun rises on those of ALL denominations, everyday. |
I agree brother Stokes, we need more tolerance...
I just don't cotton to other's beliefs jammed down my throat
Where's my lighter
Peace,
Torkel _________________ Miller vs U.S. (230 F 2nd 486,489): "The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."
Miranda vs Arizona (384 U.S. 436, 125): "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them."
HAGANS vs LAVINE (415 US 533 N-3,note 5): "Once JURISDICTION is challenged it must be proven by the Plaintiff." |
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The Wisco Sha'man Shaman


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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: |
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And to what extent would you go, to show that you dont like other people sharing ideas on faith... _________________ and the wind cried Mary! |
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The Wisco Sha'man Shaman


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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Say you were in a position of power.. _________________ and the wind cried Mary! |
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Mystic Power admin THC-Ministry YahooGroup


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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Check out my signature ... V V V
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Solitude and silence teach me to love my brothers for what they are, not for what they say. |
A-MEN...
That's certainly needed, here, what with some folks' inability to make a COGENT POINT, and all...
I like Frank Zappa's song, You Are What You Is....
Bliss,
Ben _________________ "We are the Ones we have been waiting for."
~Hopi Elder ~
"In Lak'ech"
~ Ancient Mayan: "I am another YOU." ~ |
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Mystic Power admin THC-Ministry YahooGroup


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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| The Wisco Sha'man wrote: |
| And to what extent would you go...? |
Cream pies and seltzer water.
Follow Your Bliss,
Ben _________________ "We are the Ones we have been waiting for."
~Hopi Elder ~
"In Lak'ech"
~ Ancient Mayan: "I am another YOU." ~ |
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