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Ahmadinejad's 2006 letter to Bush
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
Mr. George Bush,
President of the United States of America,
For sometime now I have been thinking, how one can justify the undeniable contradictions that exist in the international arena – which are being constantly debated, especially in political forums and amongst university students. Many questions remain unanswered. These have prompted me to discuss some of the contradictions and questions, in the hope that it might bring about an opportunity to redress them.
Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the great Messenger of God, feel obliged to respect human rights, present liberalism as a civilization model, announce one’s opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and WMDs, make “War on Terror” his slogan, and finally, work towards the establishment of a unified international community – a community which Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern, but at the same time, have countries attacked. The lives, reputations and possessions of people destroyed and on the slight chance of the presence of a few criminals in a village, city, or convoy for example, the entire village, city or convoy (are) set ablaze.
Or because of the possibility of the existence of WMDs in one country, it is occupied, around one hundred thousand people killed, its water sources, agriculture and industry destroyed, close to 180,000 foreign troops put on the ground, sanctity of private homes of citizens broken, and the country pushed back perhaps fifty years. At what price? Hundreds of billions of dollars spent from the treasury of one country and certain other countries and tens of thousands of young men and women – as occupation troops – put in harms way, taken away from family and loved ones, their hands stained with the blood of others, subjected to so much psychological pressure that everyday some commit suicide and those returning home suffer depression, become sickly and grapple with all sorts of ailments; while some are killed and their bodies handed to their families.
On the pretext of the existence of WMDs, this great tragedy came to engulf both the peoples of the occupied and the occupying country. Later it was revealed that no WMDs existed to begin with.
Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator. But the war was not waged to topple him, the announced goal of the war was to find and destroy weapons of mass destruction. He was toppled along the way towards another goal; nevertheless the people of the region are happy about it. I point out that throughout the many years of the imposed war on Iran Saddam was supported by the West.
Mr. President,
You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can these actions be reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this letter and duty to the tradition of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the Messenger of peace and forgiveness? There are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay that have not been tried, have no legal representation, their families cannot see them and are obviously kept in a strange land outside their own country. There is no international monitoring of their conditions and fate. No one knows whether they are prisoners, POWs, accused or criminals.
European investigators have confirmed the existence of secret prisons in Europe too. I could not correlate the abduction of a person, and him or her being kept in secret prisons, with the provisions of any judicial system. For that matter, I fail to understand how such actions correspond to the values outlined in the beginning of this letter, i.e. the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH), human rights and liberal values.
Young people, university students, and ordinary people have many questions about the phenomenon of Israel. I am sure you are familiar with some of them.
Throughout history many countries have been occupied, but I think the establishment of a new country with a new people, is a new phenomenon that is exclusive to our times.
Students are saying that sixty years ago such a country did not exist. They show old documents and globes and say try as we have, we have not been able to find a country named Israel.
I tell them to study the history of WWI and II. One of my students told me that during WWII, which more than tens of millions of people perished in, news about the war, was quickly disseminated by the warring parties. Each touted their victories and the most recent battlefront defeat of the other party. After the war they claimed that six million Jews had been killed. Six million people that were surely related to at least two million families.
Again let us assume that these events are true. Does that logically translate into the establishment of the state of Israel in the Middle East or support for such a state? How can this phenomenon be rationalized or explained?
Mr. President,
I am sure you know how – and at what cost – Israel was established:
* Many thousands were killed in the process.
* Millions of indigenous people were made refugees.
* Hundreds of thousands of hectares of farmland, olive plantations, towns and villages were destroyed.
This tragedy is not exclusive to the time of establishment; unfortunately it has been ongoing for sixty years now.
A regime has been established which does not show mercy even to kids, destroys houses while the occupants are still in them, announces beforehand its list and plans to assassinate Palestinian figures, and keeps thousands of Palestinians in prison. Such a phenomenon is unique – or at the very least extremely rare – in recent memory.
Another big question asked by the people is “why is this regime being supported?” Is support for this regime in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH) or Moses (PBUH) or liberal values? Or are we to understand that allowing the original inhabitants of these lands – inside and outside Palestine – whether they are Christian, Moslem or Jew, to determine their fate, runs contrary to principles of democracy, human rights and the teachings of prophets? If not, why is there so much opposition to a referendum? The newly elected Palestinian administration recently took office. All independent observers have confirmed that this government represents the electorate. Unbelievingly, they have put the elected government under pressure and have advised it to recognize the Israeli regime, abandon the struggle and follow the programs of the previous government.
If the current Palestinian government had run on the above platform, would the Palestinian people have voted for it? Again, can such position taken in opposition to the Palestinian government be reconciled with the values outlined earlier? The people are also asking “Why are all UNSC resolutions in condemnation of Israel vetoed?”
Mr. President, As you are well aware, I live amongst the people and am in constant contact with them -- many people from around the Middle East manage to contact me as well. They do not have faith in these dubious policies either. There is evidence that the people of the region are becoming increasingly angry with such policies.
It is not my intention to pose too many questions, but I need to refer to other points as well.
Why is it that any technological and scientific achievement reached in the Middle East region is translated into and portrayed as a threat to the Zionist regime? Is not scientific R&D one of the basic rights of nations? You are familiar with history. Aside from the Middle Ages, in what other point in history has scientific and technical progress been a crime? Can the possibility of scientific achievements being utilized for military purposes be reason enough to oppose science and technology altogether? If such a supposition is true, then all scientific disciplines, including physics, chemistry, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc. must be opposed.
Lies were told in the Iraqi matter. What was the result? I have no doubt that telling lies is reprehensible in any culture, and you do not like to be lied to.
Mr. President,
Don’t Latin Americans have the right to ask why their elected governments are being opposed and coup leaders supported? Or, Why must they constantly be threatened and live in fear? The people of Africa are hardworking, creative and talented. They can play an important and valuable role in providing for the needs of humanity and contribute to its material and spiritual progress. Poverty and hardship in large parts of Africa are preventing this from happening. Don’t they have the right to ask why their enormous wealth – including minerals – is being looted, despite the fact that they need it more than others? Again, do such actions correspond to the teachings of Christ and the tenets of human rights? The brave and faithful people of Iran too have many questions and grievances, including: the coup d’etat of 1953 and the subsequent toppling of the legal government of the day, opposition to the Islamic revolution, transformation of an Embassy into a headquarters supporting the activities of those opposing the Islamic Republic (many thousands of pages of documents corroborate this claim), support for Saddam in the war waged against Iran, the shooting down of the Iranian passenger plane, freezing the assets of the Iranian nation, increasing threats, anger and displeasure vis-à-vis the scientific and nuclear progress of the Iranian nation (just when all Iranians are jubilant and celebrating their country’s progress), and many other grievances that I will not refer to in this letter.
Mr. President,
September Eleven was a horrendous incident. The killing of innocents is deplorable and appalling in any part of the world. Our government immediately declared its disgust with the perpetrators and offered its condolences to the bereaved and expressed its sympathies.
All governments have a duty to protect the lives, property and good standing of their citizens. Reportedly your government employs extensive security, protection and intelligence systems – and even hunts its opponents abroad. September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services – or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren’t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial? All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens. For some years now, the people of your country and neighbors of world trouble spots do not have peace of mind. After 9.11, instead of healing and tending to the emotional wounds of the survivors and the American people – who had been immensely traumatized by the attacks – some Western media only intensified the climate of fear and insecurity – some constantly talked about the possibility of new terror attacks and kept the people in fear. Is that service to the American people? Is it possible to calculate the damages incurred from fear and panic? American citizens lived in constant fear of fresh attacks that could come at any moment and in any place. They felt insecure in the streets, in their place of work and at home. Who would be happy with this situation? Why was the media, instead of conveying a feeling of security and providing peace of mind, giving rise to a feeling of insecurity? Some believe that the hype paved the way – and was the justification –for an attack on Afghanistan. Again I need to refer to the role of media.
In media charters, correct dissemination of information and honest reporting of a story are established tenets. I express my deep regret about the disregard shown by certain Western media for these principles. The main pretext for an attack on Iraq was the existence of WMDs. This was repeated incessantly -- for the public to finally believe – and the ground set for an attack on Iraq.
Will the truth not be lost in a contrived and deceptive climate? Again, if the truth is allowed to be lost, how can that be reconciled with the earlier mentioned values? Is the truth known to the Almighty lost as well?
Mr. President,
In countries around the world, citizens provide for the expenses of governments so that their governments in turn are able to serve them.
The question here is “what has the hundreds of billions of dollars, spent every year to pay for the Iraqi campaign, produced for the citizens?” As Your Excellency is aware, in some states of your country, people are living in poverty. Many thousands are homeless and unemployment is a huge problem. Of course these problems exist – to a larger or lesser extent – in other countries as well. With these conditions in mind, can the gargantuan expenses of the campaign – paid from the public treasury – be explained and be consistent with the aforementioned principles? What has been said, are some of the grievances of the people around the world, in our region and in your country. But my main contention – which I am hoping you will agree to some of it – is: Those in power have a specific time in office and do not rule indefinitely, but their names will be recorded in history and will be constantly judged in the immediate and distant futures.
The people will scrutinize our presidencies.
Did we mange to bring peace, security and prosperity for the people or insecurity and unemployment? Did we intend to establish justice or just supported especial interest groups, and by forcing many people to live in poverty and hardship, made a few people rich and powerful – thus trading the approval of the people and the Almighty with theirs’? Did we defend the rights of the underprivileged or ignore them? Did we defend the rights of all people around the world or imposed wars on them, interfered illegally in their affairs, established hellish prisons and incarcerated some of them? Did we bring the world peace and security or raised the specter of intimidation and threats? Did we tell the truth to our nation and others around the world or presented an inverted version of it? Were we on the side of people or the occupiers and oppressors? Did our administrations set out to promote rational behavior, logic, ethics, peace, fulfilling obligations, justice, service to the people, prosperity, progress and respect for human dignity or the force of guns, intimidation, insecurity, disregard for the people, delaying the progress and excellence of other nations, and trample on people’s rights? And finally, they will judge us on whether we remained true to our oath of office – to serve the people, which is our main task, and the traditions of the prophets – or not?
Mr. President,
How much longer can the world tolerate this situation? Where will this trend lead the world to? How long must the people of the world pay for the incorrect decisions of some rulers? How much longer will the specter of insecurity – raised from the stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction -- hunt the people of the world? How much longer will the blood of the innocent men, women and children be spilled on the streets, and people’s houses destroyed over their heads? Are you pleased with the current condition of the world? Do you think present policies can continue? If billions of dollars spent on security, military campaigns and troop movement were instead spent on investment and assistance for poor countries, promotion of health, combating different diseases, education and improvement of mental and physical fitness, assistance to the victims of natural disasters, creation of employment opportunities and production, development projects and poverty alleviation, establishment of peace, mediation between disputing states, and extinguishing the flames of racial, ethnic and other conflicts, were would the world be today? Would not your government and people be justifiably proud? Would not your administration’s political and economic standing have been stronger? And I am most sorry to say, would there have been an ever increasing global hatred of the American government?
Mr. President,
it is not my intention to distress anyone.
If Prophet Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Joseph, or Jesus Christ (PBUH) were with us today, how would they have judged such behavior? Will we be given a role to play in the promised world, where justice will become universal and Jesus Christ (PBUH) will be present? Will they even accept us? My basic question is this: Is there no better way to interact with the rest of the world? Today there are hundreds of millions of Christians, hundreds of millions of Muslims and millions of people who follow the teachings of Moses (PBUH). All divine religions share and respect one word and that is “monotheism” or belief in a single God and no other in the world.
The Holy Koran stresses this common word and calls on all followers of divine religions and says: [3.64] Say: O followers of the Book! Come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught with Him, and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah; but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of Imran)
Mr. President,
According to divine verses, we have all been called upon to worship one God and follow the teachings of divine Prophets.
“To worship a God which is above all powers in the world and can do all He pleases.” “The Lord which knows that which is hidden and visible, the past and the future, knows what goes on in the Hearts of His servants and records their deeds.” “The Lord who is the possessor of the heavens and the earth and all universe is His court” “planning for the universe is done by His hands, and gives His servants the glad tidings of mercy and forgiveness of sins” “He is the companion of the oppressed and the enemy of oppressors” “He is the Compassionate, the Merciful” “He is the recourse of the faithful and guides them towards the light from darkness” “He is witness to the actions of His servants” “He calls on servants to be faithful and do good deeds, and asks them to stay on the path of righteousness and remain steadfast” “Calls on servants to heed His prophets and He is a witness to their deeds” “A bad ending belongs only to those who have chosen the life of this world and disobey Him and oppress His servants” and “A good end and eternal paradise belong to those servants who fear His majesty and do not follow their lascivious selves.” We believe a return to the teachings of the divine prophets is the only road leading to salvation. I have been told that Your Excellency follows the teachings of Jesus (PBUH) and believes in the divine promise of the rule of the righteous on Earth.
We also believe that Jesus Christ (PBUH) was one of the great prophets of the Almighty. He has been repeatedly praised in the Koran. Jesus (PBUH) has been quoted in Koran as well: [19.36] And surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serve Him; this is the right path. Marium Service to and obedience of the Almighty is the credo of all divine messengers.
The God of all people in Europe, Asia, Africa, America, the Pacific and the rest of the world is one. He is the Almighty who wants to guide and give dignity to all His servants. He has given greatness to Humans.
We again read in the Holy Book: “The Almighty God sent His prophets with miracles and clear signs to guide the people and show them divine signs and purify them from sins and pollutions. And He sent the Book and the balance so that the people display justice and avoid the rebellious”.
All of the above verses can be seen, one way or the other, in the Good Book as well.
Divine prophets have promised: The day will come when all humans will congregate before the court of the Almighty, so that their deeds are examined. The good will be directed towards Haven and evildoers will meet divine retribution. I trust both of us believe in such a day, but it will not be easy to calculate the actions of rulers, because we must be answerable to our nations and all others whose lives have been directly or indirectly affected by our actions.
All prophets, speak of peace and tranquility for man – based on monotheism, justice and respect for human dignity.
Do you not think that if all of us come to believe in and abide by these principles, that is, monotheism, worship of God, justice, respect for the dignity of man, belief in the Last Day, we can overcome the present problems of the world -- that are the result of disobedience to the Almighty and the teachings of prophets – and improve our performance? Do you not think that belief in these principles promotes and guarantees peace, friendship and justice? Do you not think that the aforementioned written or unwritten principles are universally respected? Will you not accept this invitation? That is, a genuine return to the teachings of prophets, to monotheism and justice, to preserve human dignity and obedience to the Almighty and His prophets?
Mr. President,
History tells us that repressive and cruel governments do not survive. God has entrusted the fate of men to them. The Almighty has not left the universe and humanity to their own devices.
Many things have happened contrary to the wishes and plans of governments. These tell us that there is a higher power at work and all events are determined by Him.
Can one deny the signs of change in the world today? Is the situation of the world today comparable to that of ten years ago? Changes happen fast and come at a furious pace.
The people of the world are not happy with the status quo and pay little heed to the promises and comments made by a number of influential world leaders. Many people around the world feel insecure and oppose the spreading of insecurity and war and do not approve of and accept dubious policies.
The people are protesting the increasing gap between the haves and the have-nots and the rich and poor countries.
The people are disgusted with increasing corruption.
The people of many countries are angry about the attacks on their cultural foundations and the disintegration of families. They are equally dismayed with the fading of care and compassion. The people of the world have no faith in international organizations, because their rights are not advocated by these organizations.
Liberalism and Western style democracy have not been able to help realize the ideals of humanity. Today these two concepts have failed. Those with insight can already hear the sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the Liberal democratic systems.
We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point -- that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is: “Do you not want to join them?”
Mr. President,
Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in the Almighty and justice and the will of God will prevail over all things.
Vasalam Ala Man Ataba’al hoda
Mahmood Ahmadi-Nejad
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran |
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*Translation direct from Iranian government.
Most of you may know that dumbya is unwilling and completely refuses to talk with Ahmadinejad about a diplomatic solution to Iran's so-called "Nuculer" crisis.
Peace,
Torkel
Peace,
Torkel 
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I doubt that he (Bush) is able to talk with Mr. Ahmadinejad. Mr. Ahmadinejad's intelligence can not be compared with dumbass's (Bush's) brain capacity in any way.
(I still have to see if Bush is able to write a letter, I've never seen such a thing as something written by Bush.)
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| can I get the website source of this? |
It's in the post when you click on the word "SOURCE".
Here it is bro:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad%27s_letter_to_George_W._Bush_%288_May_2006%29
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| I doubt that he (Bush) is able to talk with Mr. Ahmadinejad. Mr. Ahmadinejad's intelligence can not be compared with dumbass's (Bush's) brain capacity in any way. |
No doubt about it. Dumbya would be left in the dark waiting for one of his staff to "learn" him sumthin to say.
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Whaaat? Write a letter all by himself? Dumbya never has or never will have have to perform that menial task...
He's the son-of-a-bad-man. He's a son-of-a-Bush. 
Peace,
Torkel
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| (I still have to see if Bush is able to write a letter, I've never seen such a thing as something written by Bush.) |
He ain't got time for no fancy book learnin'.
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He ain't got time for no fancy book learnin'. Wink
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ok, but he has got the balls to fight mujahedins network & totaliterian regims.
Tell me a better way to fight Islamic jihad?
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| sara wrote: |
...ok, but he has got the balls to fight mujahedins network & totaliterian regims.
Tell me a better way to fight Islamic jihad? |
IMO, he could revise his foreign policy which is always Israel-first.
Then maybe the palestinians & sympathizers wouldn't feel a jihad was necessary?
That might be an effective starting point.
Peace,
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Islamic Jihad would not be a problem if we haven't been meddling with them for years.
When it comes down to religion or bread, bread always takes priority.
People are generally peaceful by nature.
The problem is most don't know what we have put these people through.
If you had your entire family killed, or your friends, and you had to walk through your streets at a point of a gun.........
You might just get a little crazy yourself.
We never have minded totaltarian regimes, until they get out of line with our interests.
Never forget that Saddam was our ally throughout the entire 1980's and Bin Laden and Al-Q were created by the United States.
I think that if the people of the United States found out that another country was running THIER country, like the Iranians found out in the late 1970's, our response might not be quite different.
But, as I mentioned in another post, we are so vegetized, even more so now than the German people during Hitler, WHO KNOWS. |
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He is correct about Israel.
They have no right to that land. Plain and Simple.
It has nothing to do with being anti-semitic.
It has everything to do with International Law, which was put in place to prevent these types of things from happening.
It is like I have asked people in debates before......
If the INDIANS suddenly rose up in the States, and demanded that every man, woman, and child give up their homes BECAUSE the Indians were the ORIGINAL inhabitants of the land.......................what would you do?
Compare that analogy with the Palestinians and Israelis.
That is only, part, of the crux, of this most difficult situation. |
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so tell me, where did the jews came from before the diaspora?
who lived in Jehudea before the Arabs came their?
who built the first and second temple?
if the jews were Europeans then why didn't they have a country in europe? if they came from africa why don't they have a country there?
where is the place you would put them? Detroit MI ?
why would someone bom a disco in Bali full with peaceful aussie's?
Islam started in saudia arabia but there are millions of them all the way
until indonisia, how come ? is it because Islam is a peaceful religion?
or is it because they fight a holy war?
if all the Israelis would leave then the palestians will kill eachother and then the Israelis will come back without any need for fighting.
in africa the free black people are killing eachother more then whites kill blacks in all of history.
the same will happen in Israel if the israelis will just leave.
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I blame the leaders directly for the wild spread of "Islamic Jihad". I do not blame "fanatical" Muslims who do not have other sources of influence to shape their belief systems.
Just as it was pointed out in the above letter........
Why does a genocide guarantee them (Jews) a home?
As he, Ahmanjhad, has stated before, and quite correctly might I add, since the Germans were the ones who "engineered" the holocaust, why not put the Jewish there?
In terms of the reasoning, I motion he would be correct in this instance.
Since 50 Million blacks were slaughtered in the 1800's, in America, then why haven't we given them a land 8 times the size of Jerusalem on our lands?
And back to the Indian analogy, what about the Indians? What chunk of land should they be given for their genocide at our hands?
This is all a huge problem with Nationalism.
I would never discount it's power, which is absolutely the strongest of the strong, but my "gut feeling" tells me that we all bleed red, no matter what our skin color or culture is.
I find we are all very much alike other than regional and cultural "influences".
Therefore, the scurrying and fighting over lands would not be necessary if we integrated as a whole, or, if we respected the rights and customs of our foreign friends.
But systematically, we have been "taught" that, to think, that, is evil.
One World Government? Anti-Christ?
Very Orwellian indeed. To think "peace" is to think "religious end times".
I am in favor of full world integration, but only on a consensus, which I may agree is utterly impossible with the level of fear and brainwash.
How can the world ever acheive peace when they are actively encouraging our own destruction because of ancient books?
If there is indeed a God, would he punish his children for seeking peace with one another? |
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A very good debate, by two very learned individuals, in learning about the very important conflict between Palestine and Israel.
Norman Finkelstein & Former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami Debate: Complete Transcript
http://www.democracynow.org/finkelstein-benami.shtml |
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 1:54 am Post subject: |
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I doubt that he (Bush) is able to talk with Mr. Ahmadinejad. Mr. Ahmadinejad's intelligence can not be compared with dumbass's (Bush's) brain capacity in any way.
(I still have to see if Bush is able to write a letter, I've never seen such a thing as something written by Bush.)
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In order to write correctly, one must first be able to speak correctly.
"It's in the interest of -- uhh -- uhh, long-term peace in the world that we -- uhh -- work for a free and secure and peaceful Iraq. A peeance, freeance secure Iraq in the midst of the Middle East will have enormous historical impact."
"The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American and to threats who are friends of America."
"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves."
"See, without the tax relief package, there would have been a deficit, but there wouldn't have been the comm -- commiserate -- the, the, the, the, not commiserate -- the, the, the -- kick to our economy that occurred as a result of the tax relief."
BRITISH REPORTER: So when you say that you want the U.S. to adhere to international and U.S. laws, that's not very comforting. This is a moral question. Is terr -- torture ever justified? DUBYA: Look, I'm gonna say it one more time. I can -- if I can -- maybe -- maybe I can be more clear. The instructions went out to our people to adhere to law. That oughtta comfort you. We -- we're a nation of law. We adhere to laws. We have laws on the books. You might look at those laws. And that might provide comfort for you. And those were the instructions out of -- from me to the government.
"And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, There's one terrible pilot."
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sara
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Why does a genocide guarantee them (Jews) a home?
because there they can diffend themselves, so that they will not need to wait for the Canadians or Americans to save them, like the kurds in Iraq
or in turkey and many india's tribes before who are buddist or hindue's in India who were killed by Islamic jihad, who broken there temples and killed hunderds of thousend if not millions of people who never could have diffend themselves.
As he, Ahmanjhad, has stated before, and quite correctly might I add, since the Germans were the ones who "engineered" the holocaust, why not put the Jewish there? |
why not put the palestinian arabs in an Arab country? like Jordan where they came from?
The jews who are in Israel came there from all over the world,some have never left to diaspora,
you can say they all come from germany and they all should go back to Germany,but that's not the truth.
why an Afgani, Iraqi, irani, indian, maroccan,or spanish jew who lives in Israel would need to go to Germany?.
I have that book The Holocaust industry/ n. g. finkelstein.
but he also forget that jews are from all over the world.
I too think that the Israelier would be better off in Amsterdam
or hawaii but it would be much better for the palestinian who are Arabs to go and live in London or atleast where it's clean and where they shiits and sunni's
don't kill eachother, like in yemmen and Iraq and other arab countries.
sorry but I can't see any sense in saying Israel should be wiped out.
you better leave the U.S.A and give it back to the indians just like the dutch left many parts of the world and gave it back to the local people,
you can do the same, go back to where you belong. why occupie a land
which is not yours?
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Intrepid: 1) Islamic Jihad has always been a problem. Check out the history of Islam. It's a sea of blood. Mohammed(piss be upon him) was a terrorist,bandit,mass murderer, anti-semite,wife stealer, pedophile and liar. More or less pychotic and psychopathic. He taught murder. He is a role model for 1 and a half billion people. Be afraid. 2) People are not peaceful by nature. Again, look at history--'a nightmare from which I am trying to awake' (James Joyce I believe)
This letter by Ahmedijihad can be picked to pieces. This guy is a fanatic. Monotheism of any kind is very DANGEROUS and POISONOUS. The word Islam means 'surrender' or 'submission'. And I see he loves this word 'obedience'. These were words Hitler used constantly and they are the essence of fascism. When people surrender their will to a higher authority, be it God, some two-bit prophet, a guru or some other totalitarian leader, then they are on the road to ruin and you can kiss goodbye to their so.called peaceful nature.
To trust or take seriously anyone who talks of the one God and obedience is madness.
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